First time tren user

MRfeathers wrote: i would run it throughout, but again up to you

Thanks a lot for the advice guys I really do appreciate it,


I have decided to stick with test e, deca and dbol as a cycle and leave the tren for when I am more prepared and more experienced to take on a more powerful compound as I don't feel I am ready for it as oupa said,

I know you guys recommended npp over deca but I think I will stick to normal deca as I hav used it before and give npp a bash when I am going for leaner gains as this cycle I'm just looking for mass...

I only use PGW and the test e comes in 300mg/ml and the deca in 350mg/ml..

So what I was thinking as my cycle, two options for dosages please advise which would be better:

Weeks 1 to 12: Test E @ 900mg per week
Weeks 1 to 10: Deca @ 700mg per week
Weeks 1 to 4: Dbol @ 50mgs per day
Caber throughout cycle @ 0.5mgs twice per week
Arimidex on hand

Or less dosage:
Test E @ 750mg per week (2.5ml)
Deca @ 525mg per week (1.5ml)
Dbol
Caber
Arimidex

What does everyone think of that?

600mg test e ...2 ml
525 mg deca ....1.5 ml

mike123 wrote: 600mg test e ...2 ml
525 mg deca ....1.5 ml

Agree with this, should be a nice sweet spot,
Dbol 40mg pd too,

I personally find anything higher, the sides vs gains don't justify itself at our level of being recreational lifters.

PoisonedPulse wrote:

mike123 wrote: 600mg test e ...2 ml
525 mg deca ....1.5 ml

Agree with this, should be a nice sweet spot,
Dbol 40mg pd too,

I personally find anything higher, the sides vs gains don't justify itself at our level of being recreational lifters.

Thanks for the advice, I have heard you need to run your test quite a bit higher than the deca though? Is this true? That's why I had said 750mgs per week

People run the test higher than their tren dose because the test can with help with the libido/ED prolactin related side effects from tren. But if you are on cabaser then you don't need to run as much testosterone and 300mg/week is fine. High testosterone doses do also inhibit prolactin somewhat, but then you also have to make sure your estrogen is in check with an AI.

With Deca at the dose you're planning I'd recommend using cabaser on cycle anyway at a minimum of 0.25mg twice a week. You might not see anyway prolactin related sides like gyno or limp dick but prolactin drastically slows down post cycle recovery and it tends to stick around for a while. Cabaser will prevent that.

Muscleaddict wrote: People run the test higher than their tren dose because the test can with help with the libido/ED prolactin related side effects from tren. But if you are on cabaser then you don't need to run as much testosterone and 300mg/week is fine. High testosterone doses do also inhibit prolactin somewhat, but then you also have to make sure your estrogen is in check with an AI.

With Deca at the dose you're planning I'd recommend using cabaser on cycle anyway at a minimum of 0.25mg twice a week. You might not see anyway prolactin related sides like gyno or limp dick but prolactin drastically slows down post cycle recovery and it tends to stick around for a while. Cabaser will prevent that.

Thanks for the info I will definitely run caber, I can get 1mg tabs so I will just take 0.5mg twice per week by splitting the tabs in half...
Estrogen will be controlled with arimidex,

With that all being said, what dosages do you recommend for my test deca cycle?

Am expecting some serious mass and looking increase my calories quite a lot too