cycle advise please.

Hi guys i have been away for long time had real issues regarding my workout training ect.
i bought my gear a long time ago but sold it again `cos i could not get myself in gym now however im back and looking to start in 2 weeks from now.
i have ran a few cycles in the past but i do consider this cycle as a first time cycle,but i want to gain max size in that duration.what i want to know if it will be too much for a beginning cycle or not.
cycle I had been thinking of is:
dbol
proviron
anavar /optional
equi/deca/npp (equi will take my cycle to 16 weeks)not sure as to run a 16 week cycle or not.
Test E
Now pct will be decided on if I go with deca or not,nolvadex aromasin hcg/ovidrel and clomid
Stats now 28yrs 65kg 1.73 bf im not sure.
Can you please advise me on what to use. I was thinking of
1-6 dbol 40 – 60 mg ed
1-8 Proviron 50 – 80mg ed
Week 12 proviron till pct
1 – 16 test E/ 400 – 600mg weekly
1 – 16 equi or 1 – 14 weeks 500- 700mg weekly (pls note my sup cant get hold of pgw/only axio
I will take a look at mg/ml once I know what to choose and what cycle u advise.
Would that be sufficient is it too much?or what do I add or take away
just want to gain quality mass and limited water retention
do I go with equi or deca or nnp.cash is not a problem and will get hold of dj obviously my mg per week will be different on deciding between deca / nnp and equi.
Feedback would be appreciated
Thanks guys

Hey bro..seeing that it your first cycle in a long time why don't you just keep it simple to se how your body responds?

I would go for something like this:

weeks 1-4 dbol @ 30-40mg a day
weeks 1-12 Test E/Cyp @ 500mg a week
weeks 1-12 NPP @ 400mg a week
weeks 1-16 proviron @ 40mg a day
weeks 12-16 anvavar @ 40mg a day

Keep adex on hand for gyno sides and cabaser for prolactin sides.
PCT - clomid kessar & HCG

Optional - Run HCG throughout your cycle from week 3 @ 250ius twice a week, this will make your PCT smoother

hey snitch
thanks for the reply,but dont you think equi wuld then be a better option instead of npp?npp is deca with a short ester?im not that keen on deca but will use it only if it will give better results in the long run,equi is mild only kopkrap is it takes for ever to work.
so basicly if deca or npp will be better for a "first" cycle should i not then rather leave it out all at once and just go with test proviron frontload dbol ect?

Would rather run equi like you said yester. Perhaps 15 weeks.

Would not say an npp cycle is simpler in comparison to a longer equi cycle. Not trying to one up you snitch. Just my opinion.

hmm ok,so do i have to run test a week or so longer than the equi and what would be best mg to mg for equi to test?should i get the proviron from week 1 till pct or can i split it like week 1 to 8 and then the laste 2 weekks up untill pct?and then use anavar with that for bridge?

What cycles have you done previously. You are pretty light weight. Might get away with a good basic test only cycle.

pr0gr3s1v3 wrote: What cycles have you done previously. You are pretty light weight. Might get away with a good basic test only cycle.

Or no steroids at all even.. It feels as if he is dependant on chemicals to grow.

pro i have done deca test cycles befor.this weight problem is due to my metabolism being zero.over a period of bout 18 months i eat at most 3 times a day,never get hungry and can go without food for 2 to 3 days easy.my body adopted to the lack of food.but that i will sort out...but yes im not heavy at all.

pyro i will not say that man but maybe you not far away with that statement.im use to being well build and i think its more motivational than the gear itself.

All im saying is without food you will not grow, on or off cycle. If I have done deca cycles before and still weighing 65kg I would rethink my approach.

Would rather start bulking naturally and see how your body responds. Pick up a few kg's then maybe hit a test cycle and re assess from there.

If you cant stick to a high calorie diet off cycle you are going to drop back to 65kg after a cycle anyway. I would not fk up my hornonea to look bigger for 3months.

Please understand bud I do not mean ill when I say that. It´s just that you have done a couple of Nandrolone cycles (very suppresive and high on the list of side effects) and you haven´t really been successful. This tells me with 100% certainty your diet or training is not up to scratch. With your post to Prog I am very certain it is your diet that is lacking. There are many things you can do to kick start your metabolism. For example eating 8 times per day. Remember bud you need to be in a calorie surplus to grow. With those stats you need to be consuming at the very least 2300 calories per day (maintenance) or it is recommended you exceed that amount by about 500 cals for a bulk. Also atleast 200g pure protein per day. 3 Normal meals a day would not even come close to that.

look bro im not going to go into details of why and how and when.my weight really is not what i what to discuss eating and diet will be sorted i can manage that...dont jump to conclusions by looking at 65kg.i asked you about what would be the best option.thanks anyway for whatever input you have given regarding my weight.im sure i will get relevant answers somewhere somehow

i do understand all you say im no expert but i do know that as i have said my weight now have no reflection on anything other thn circumstances out of my hands.i appreciate ur input and value your advice i know all bout the importance of a diet and cal intake maintaining ect...i just needed the advice on my orignal post...

my post way back with pictures you can go and take a look.(getting back up after broken neck)
unlucky for me i damaged my neck again C1 and C2 it was hard eating walking was hard everything was not working my metabolism was being destroyed as im sure u will understand why.


www.anabolicsteroids.co.za/forum/11-gene...up-after-broken-neck

Yster I hear where you're coming from bro but the guys on this forum who you want advice from would not advise someone who is 65KG/1.73M to go on a cycle like that until they have already been hitting their training and diet hard to prep their body for a cycle.

You can get huge gains without steroids especially if you have muscle memory, and you run a much higher risk of injury by doing a cycle and hitting gym hard now when your tendons are not used to heavy lifting.

That said, I understand you will do the cycle anyway so I would suggest deca/test if maximum mass is your goal. Dosing/effectiveness of steroids is proportional to your body weight so 30mg of dbol is enough and the same as an 85KG guy doing 40mg. I'd suggest lowering your test/deca doses as well to keep that it mind but I'm not going to go into detail coz I think you get the point. Make sure you can get cabaser for prolactin control, either adex/letro/aromisin, nolva+clomid for PCT and HCG for 2x 250IU a week on cycle.

But seriously, train hard and eat right for 3 months first.

Hi guys i have been away for long time had real issues regarding my workout training ect.
i bought my gear a long time ago but sold it again `cos i could not get myself in gym now however im back and looking to start in 2 weeks from now.maybe i wasnt specific enuf im starting in two week from now not meaning jumping on a cycle.my normal weight is 75 78kg.i will do that by diet and slowly work my way up with the weights,remember i have a broken neck,im well aware of the risk of going to hard too heavy to quick.but anyway thanks muscle that was more or less the answer i was looking for.will look at what you have said and decide when i buy my gear ccouple of days.quantities will differ i just needed to know if what i posted would be a good cycle to run or not.

Keep the cycle basic,train for a few months without gear to get back into it.
If you do it that way your body will be in a better position to grow!You will gain more out of the cycle because you will be training at a higher intensity and lifting heavier weights.Also you don't wanna get an injury from starting too fast,that will set you back even further.

So sort out your training,force yourself to eat more and be patient like the moderators said.

Teveel,te gou,te vinnig is nooit 'n goeie ding nie.

All of this is just advice,so do whatever the f#ck you wanna do

@barbell pls keep your stupid comment to yourself,take youre eyes out of your @ss and read what the f@ck i said!that cycle is what i was planning on after i did the prep the question was would that work or not is it a cycle that will work when i am ready to do so!if you can take the tame to tell me do whatever the f@ck i want,atleast read what i said in my 3000k posts befor u tell me to do as i please.that was the reason for posting to get info on that cycle.14 days from now i will start to gym i will get my metabolism working within 14 days.then i will hit the gym then after all that and many hrs in gym i want to do that cycle.

Muscleaddict wrote: Yster I hear where you're coming from bro but the guys on this forum who you want advice from would not advise someone who is 65KG/1.73M to go on a cycle like that until they have already been hitting their training and diet hard to prep their body for a cycle.

You can get huge gains without steroids especially if you have muscle memory, and you run a much higher risk of injury by doing a cycle and hitting gym hard now when your tendons are not used to heavy lifting.

That said, I understand you will do the cycle anyway so I would suggest deca/test if maximum mass is your goal. Dosing/effectiveness of steroids is proportional to your body weight so 30mg of dbol is enough and the same as an 85KG guy doing 40mg. I'd suggest lowering your test/deca doses as well to keep that it mind but I'm not going to go into detail coz I think you get the point. Make sure you can get cabaser for prolactin control, either adex/letro/aromisin, nolva+clomid for PCT and HCG for 2x 250IU a week on cycle.

But seriously, train hard and eat right for 3 months first.

I second this post 100%.

yster wrote: @barbell pls keep your stupid comment to yourself,take youre eyes out of your @ss and read what the f@ck i said!that cycle is what i was planning on after i did the prep the question was would that work or not is it a cycle that will work when i am ready to do so!if you can take the tame to tell me do whatever the f@ck i want,atleast read what i said in my 3000k posts befor u tell me to do as i please.that was the reason for posting to get info on that cycle.14 days from now i will start to gym i will get my metabolism working within 14 days.then i will hit the gym then after all that and many hrs in gym i want to do that cycle.

Dude stop being a little bitch. People here wont give you the advice you want to hear. People in general will advice you on cycles with regards to doing it right, safe and healthy.

The problem might just be that your initial post did not explain when you want to start your cycle. Thats why everyone was echoing the same thing- rather hit the gym natural for a while.

You might have planned on doing this and waiting before you start the cycle but again this forum gets alot of noobs who who wants to jump on the juice after a week worth of gym- so you see why you are getting the response that you are getting.

thats why i rectified myself in saying that this is not a cycle i want to do in the next few days,i think its more to do with the fact that some people read only what they want when they want.no point in going on about this really the damn question was not how much i should weigh or when to use...
but thanks anyway cheers boet

Correct, we will not give you what you want to hear.......

Enough now.

Almal het mekaar nou genoeg kak bebyt.

Lets keep it clean thx.

what i want to hear ffs?what are you on about,so much for a forum who claims to give the best advise but the members cant read.

nerens het ek gese die cycle gebruik ek oor 2weke nie,ek begin gym oor twee weke ek wil daai cycle run na n maand of 4,my vraag was sal daai te heavy wees vir n nuwe cycle of nie.

but u right forget about my post we can go on and on about this and i will still not get the feedback.

TheBarbellBarbarian wrote:
So sort out your training,force yourself to eat more and be patient like the moderators said.

Teveel,te gou,te vinnig is nooit 'n goeie ding nie.

All of this is just advice,so do whatever the f#ck you wanna do

He wasn't trying to be doos, he's just helping and bringing some hodge twins humor into it. And bro, just chill and if you hear something you don't agree on or so don't start raging. Everybody is giving good advice so far and they are experienced. As long as your diet is 100% and your training, then your cycle will do you very good! Good luck man

TheBarbellBarbarian wrote:
So sort out your training,force yourself to eat more and be patient like the moderators said.

Teveel,te gou,te vinnig is nooit 'n goeie ding nie.

All of this is just advice,so do whatever the f#ck you wanna do

He wasn't trying to be doos, he's just helping and bringing some hodge twins humor into it. And bro, just chill and if you hear something you don't agree on or so don't start raging. Everybody is giving good advice so far and they are experienced. As long as your diet is 100% and your training, then your cycle will do you very good! Good luck man