Bruno's First Cycle Log

Bruno wrote: I think Oupa is referring to the tapering down of clen, i guess its not needed....only for t3 should you taper down.

Nope, go read the sticky, you will find it very educating, and then if you want clarity, ask

Its not necessary to taper off clen, you can just stop but some are just sensitive to stims that is why I suggest that.
Shot Oupa.

read this one

www.anabolicsteroids.co.za/forum/2-anabo...buterol?limitstart=0

FIllet wrote: If its wrong please do correct me:
I mentioned it was fine to stay at maintenance calories
It is fine to increase cardio during bridge and into pct, I do that to avoid fat gains
5 weeks of winstrol up to his pct
Incrementing clen dose steadily, he can start on 20mcg if that is what you mean Oupa but many guys start at 60mcg, increment and taper down. Cycle clen 2/3 weeks on then 2/3 off.
Also mentioned not to use in pct or just after.

Bud it is very important not to believe a word someone says on the internet unless you are sure of their credibility. People have a talent to sell BS. Clen is a super compound post pct because it helps you hold on to more gains without affecting your HPTA. Clenbuterol is anabolic for muscles!

Pyroclasm wrote:
Bud it is very important not to believe a word someone says on the internet .....

Imagine that

Did not mean to anger you fellows, also, i did not get that from the net but some fellows i train with and the consensus being that clen is very mildly anabolic and loses effeciency after 6 weeks. There will always be many opinions... I answered Bruno because its been 4 days since his post. I have been advised against clen into pct as you want to keep your calories up at this point

Not angry at all bro! :huh: Your opinion is always welcome.

Clen is anti-catabolic, not anabolic (unless you are a cow). Not the same thing. It does not improve protein synthesis in humans. Sorry, just had to throw that in there.

Weight is still fairly stable at 95kg but strength increases are still coming which is great. Last week I lifted:
- Squat = 190kg x 5
- Bench = 140kg x 5
- Deadlift = 210kg x 5
- Standing Shoulder press (no leg drive) = 90kg x 5

Recovery throughout the cycle has been my greatest disappointment..I've still struggled with sore muscles and joints for a day or two post a heavy squat or deadlift workout but I guess this is cos of the letro...been on 3drops every 3 days. My last shot of test is on Thursday so I'm gonna try to reduce the letro from new week onwards...is this a good idea or is gyno generally at greater risk of flaring up during bridge?

Winny jumped on yesterday and clen today @ 40mg...yikes, I forgot how edgy this stuff makes me!

Anyways, today is my first gym session with winny in my system so I guess I see whether I'm prone to the debilitating pumps or not...hope not! Also hope that the dry joints doesnt become an issue!

Bruno wrote: Anyways, today is my first gym session with winny in my system so I guess I see whether I'm prone to the debilitating pumps or not...hope not! Also hope that the dry joints doesnt become an issue!

lol, give the winny some time to get into your system, at least a week.

Oupa wrote:

Bruno wrote: Anyways, today is my first gym session with winny in my system so I guess I see whether I'm prone to the debilitating pumps or not...hope not! Also hope that the dry joints doesnt become an issue!

lol, give the winny some time to get into your system, at least a week.

Ok lol..guess I was abit to optimistic and eager there :blush:

How's things going Bud?

Rhino wrote: How's things going Bud?

Hey Gents,

Sorry for not keeping this log up to date, things have been insanely busy on this side.

Up until 2 weeks ago, my cycle was going insanely well...hitting PR's all over (145kg bench, 195kg squat and 220kg deadlift) and staying at 95kg but getting leaner by the day. I then pulled something in my lower back in my last rep of my heavy squat set :pinch: I then focused on cardio and upper body work which didnt stress my lower back until last Monday, when I was hit with the flu I finally recovered felt recovered by Thursday and was planning to hit the gym hard on Friday.

But fate took another crap on my gym plans again...while at a mall on thursday evening, two dipshits decided to spray red paint on my 1 month old car! They were caught on CCTV camera and center security caught them. They got arrested and spent the night locked up. Cos of all that crap, I spent the night at the police station and cleaning the paint off my car before it got hard...all in a T Shirt! I woke up the next morning feeling like crap again! I'm finally going to hit the gym this evening though...Im about 80% good but going anyway

Thankfully my diet didnt go THAT bad over the last 1.5 - 2 weeks so I'm still at 95/96kg. Feel like I picked up abit of fat again but this is probably psychological.

With respect to side effects, winstrol and clen has been treating me very well. I had some cramps at first but taurine sorted me out real good. Except for some pain in my right elbow when benching, havent had any joint pains at all.

I'm coming to the end of my cycle now and thought I'd put down what I've learnt and my future plans:

- All in all I am happy with my cycle as it produced what I expected: good strength gains and moderate muscular gains. The key thing is that I learnt alot about how my body reacts
- I'm very gyno prone. Letro works for me...but at 3 drops E3d. EOD and I get the shits! Luckily I dont get any joint pain
- Winnie is kind to me...no sides to report
- My sex drive did absolutely nothing during this cycle..in fact, over the last week its actually decreased. I think Proviron will be a good addition to my future cycles.
- Most importantly (and has been repeated 1000's of times on this site), steroids is far from a miracle pill/shot...you have to work really hard in the gym and kitchen to get your gains! I dont think I ever I've gymed as hard as I ever have.
- In future cycles I am gonna have to smarter with my set/rep schemes...mid to low reps for heavy as hell is not a solution for me anymore, I run my CNS into the ground by consistently lifting heavy. A few years back this was fine because my heavy set then is my warm up weight now!

Weight this morning: 97kgs at +-12% bf

yesterday was my last day on Winny and today was last HCG pin. Planning to start PCT on Sat, which will be 30 days since last test pin. Since I took HCG throughout my cycle, I am going to do PCT 1.

Awhile back the experienced guys on the forum were discussing alternative PCT protocols, particularly the Clomid dose of 50mg per day for 14 days vs 100mg per day for 7 days. Which protocol would be best to use?

The refresher course

PCT Discussion

Bruno wrote: Awhile back the experienced guys on the forum were discussing alternative PCT protocols, particularly the Clomid dose of 50mg per day for 14 days vs 100mg per day for 7 days. Which protocol would be best to use?

2 weeks of Clomid at 50mg.

Thanks gents

Keep us updated Bruno

Started PCT on Saturday with 50mg of Clomid a day all went well until yesterday evening.

I got the sh!ts and there seemed to be some bright red blood in my runny stools :sick: ! I kinda freaked out because my mom in law passed away with colon cancer and bloody stool was the first symptom of the cancer. It seemed to have cleared by this morning so bit more relaxed. Is this normal with clomid or should I be concerned?

Also, I'm getting this dull ache in my left testicle...is this normal (indication that clomid is working) or should I be worried?

Not sure if this is relevant but I've been taking HCG throughout my cycle (250iu twice per week) and increased it to 500iu twic per week for the last 2 weeks with last shot being on Thursday.

Some people's tummy do seem to get upset on Clomid. It should clear in a day or 2. If you had the shits for a few days, there will be blood at some stage yes.

I also get the dull ache especially while on while PCT, but I only experience this dul kak ouch pain after heavy lifting when i do olympic lifts, squats & dead lifts.

Oupa wrote: Some people's tummy do seem to get upset on Clomid. It should clear in a day or 2. If you had the shits for a few days, there will be blood at some stage yes.

I also get the dull ache especially while on while PCT, but I only experience this dul kak ouch pain after heavy lifting when i do olympic lifts, squats & dead lifts.

+1 Oupa, my mind is at ease now. Makes perfect sense thanks...i did do heavy squats last night.

Any idea what causes the link between the dull ache and heavy squats/deadlifts?

I have no idea no.

I had checkups a few times after i experienced this but my medicals and shit came back with no issues. Go have a read about what i researched a while back.

Info

I think a lot of us have experienced this. Heavy squatting puts a lot of strain on the nerves in your pelvic area. That can cause all sorts of pain or numbness around your perineum and balls and even mess with your erections. There's a medical term for it that I can't remember right now but I'll see if I can find it.

Watch out for Hernias....