New to site ,want seasoned onion’s on my cycle

First my stats
Age 41
Height 176cm
Years of training 24
Cycles 2 to date
1st cycle 500mg test for 12 weeks


2nd cycle 500mg tests a week for 12 weeks
50 mag Var for the last 7 weeks
Weight current 88kg body fat current 12%
Competition time 75kg at 4 or 5 % body fat
Current diet I run a 40/40/20 split
Protein 320g a day Carbs 300g a day and 85g of fats a day for a total of 3200 Kcal a day
Goal to add about 7 to 8kg of lean mass over a long period of time say about 20 weeks
Problems I am prowen to gyno and water retention at 500mg of test a week already so I would like keep my test as low as possible on my cycle but still high enough to keep all the other fubctions of my body that depend on test working well as I am in a relationship and don’t want my partner to start to worry that I am cheeting on her because she is not getting any due to the cycle I am on.

Next being 41 I am in super condition for my age and would judge myself in the top 3% of body builders out there I have competed in the past and won SA in my division and I did it naturally back the but that was 5 years ago and I just feel I have come to a time in my life I need some chemical assistance.

So the compounds I have considers are Deca Durabloin and equipoise I only want long ester drugs as I am not interested in pinning more that twice or 3 times a week at 1ml a time please.
So the cycle I have reached would look something like this
Week 1 to 20 (this is my main course)
Testosterone Enanthate 250mg a week
Boldenone undecylenate 500mg a week


Week 20 to 24 (this is a bridge form my cycle to my pct as I need to wait 30day for the testE before I can start my pct)
40mg Oral Turinibal every day

PCT week 24 to 29
Will follow PCT protocol 2 as stipulate in this site it will consist of clomide HGC and Nolvadex for a period of 5 weeks .

Any input on my cycle would be very welcome and appreciated please note I have not included any AI in my cycle as I don’t know if I would need any at these does.

Hi bro
All in my opinion:
Winstrol and Proviron would be a good bridge to PCT
Your cycle looks a bit long, EQ for 14 to 16 weeks should be good as it kicks in around week 7.
Your half life of EQ is around 14 days, X3 to pct so you may want to run test a bit longer.
Test at 250mg should be fine but then rather use cyp opposed to test en.
EQ dose 525 to 700mg, 700mg being preferable.

First I would like to take the opportunity to thank you for taking your time to go through my mail and reviewing it.
My concern is I am 41 and I have been training since 16 with never more than a week off every for 25 years so my joints are ok but I do have a bit of joint pain already so I am just concerned about that with the winstrol.

I am not to concerned about carrying a bot of water from the cycle so the oral turin was my choice just because var was dame expensive and Dbol just has to many gyno side effects.
As for the duration of my cycle I hear what you have to say and I do also know that most equipoise cycles are run at 16 weeks I have chosen 20 weeks because I only do one course a year I have trained for 25 year without anything and only now am I starting to take some AAS but I want to to it in the most responsible fashion so for me I don’t want to ever land up like the guys I see at the gym that only come to gym when they are on gear so I have made a conscious choice to allow myself only one course a year hence the prolonged period, my dosages are low on all my drugs to, so that it will compensate for this extended duration. I belong to the school of thought that slow progressive progress helds better quality gains than a rushed massive increase approach.
Now that you have an understanding as to why I have chosen the length of my cycle let’s look at my drug choice I have chosen Test E because it has a 7 atom ester compared to test C that has and 8 atom easter hence the test that is available for relies from test E should be a bit more than the test that is available from test C this is just what I have read and do not know if in practice it works this way as I have only ever used testoviron in the past.
I have chosen Equipoise firstly for the the fact that the side effects of this drug are a lot less than any other anabolic if you compare it to deca there is no prolactin gyno from it if you compare it to tren there are no side effects associated with tren either and those are about the only long ester anabolic that have long esters and are worth having on a cycle the reason why I want a drug with a long ester as I don’t want to pin more that 1 ml at a time and I don’t want to pin more than 3 times a week either and lastly there is also a serious benefit from Equipoise and bone density and tendon and ligament rejuvenation due to its ability to increase collagen product and uptake in the body.
Next with my doses I was hoping to get away without having to use any AI during my cycle do you think at my doses that would be possible?
Now my question on Equipoise is about the appetite stimulation this is my big concern as I can eat like no one I have ever met I battle to stay on 3200Kcal a day I constantly feel hungry already. I have no problem eating 500g protein 500g carbs and 180g fats a day at 5500Kcal a day so if I go no equipoise will I be able to control my appetite.
Now as from my mail you would have note that I am not an idiot that has gone into planning a cycle without doing any background homework on the cycle but like everything in life what you read is only ever a good guideline as to what you should be doing but we all know that in reality it never works like this that is why I have posted this thread as I would like to get some input from guys that have been down the road and have actual experience with these drugs so I really do appreciate all of the input I can receive on my questions and I am not one of these people that was time and don’t take advice so once again all the input I can get is greatly appreciated.

Look i suppose you could pull it off
Your bridge period is the concern since you are ending Test En and EQ at the same time, EQ will need 45 days to PCT opposed to your suggested 28 days.
I would also suggest using the HCG in your cycle opposed to in your PCT as HCG is slightly supressive
Also with regards to your PCT since you are gyno prone you may throw in some aromasin in your pct, i know you are not using 19nors but i just think it will be safer to add that to your nolva after you have done clomid.
Regarding your arimidex or letro, its hard to say even on a low dose. Just keep it on hand and should your nipples start giving you hassles then you best use it. I think that arimidex is less harsh than letro.

So in essence your cycle length will be about 31 weeks inclusive pct and bridge - that is long.
Perhaps some of the other forum members have some suggestions.

Thank you again for taking the time to read my reply, it is noted and appreciated.
So suggested cycle,
Week 1-15
Test C 250mg every week (one shot on a Wednesday)
Equpise 250mg x 2 every weel ( one shot on a Monday and one shot on a Friday)
Keeping armidex on hand if I encounter any gyno symptoms at 0.5mg every other day
As far as the HGC I am note sure how to go about using it in my cycle I was thinking maybe 250mg twice a week for 10 weeks starting after week 10 of my cycle this would mean that I would run it to the last week which will be week 20 of my new suggested 21 week cycle.
Week 15- 21
40mg Oral Turinibal every day
PCT
DAY 1 -5
100MG CLOMIDE
Day 5-15
60mg Nolvadex
Day 15- 25
40mh Nolvadex
Day 25-35
20mg Nolvadex
Please help on the PCT specially with the addition of the aromisin.
Please note I will be upping my daily Kcal intake to my macros will be as follows
By the time I do the course which is in a months’ time I will be at least 93kg and about 14% body fat
I will up my diet to the following stats 350g protein 350g carbs and 100g fats a day and my Kcal will be close to about 3700Kcal from my macros this will leave me with 3.75g protein 3.75g carbs and 1.1g fats per Kg of body weight will this be enough to get the max gains from my course without adding to much body fat.
Look I an not dumb when it comes to diet`s and training plans and I know for any type of muscle development to occur you need to eat a surplus of Kcal and that is what I have done I have about 700Kcals surplus now if I were doing a natural bulk this would be way to much on a natural bulk I would up my Kcal by 350 and that would work fine but I know on gear your body id able to process more protein symphsis and you burn a lot more Kcals to so I was just wondering if 700Kcal would be enough bearing in mind I pack on weight and size very easily .
I will be sticking to my 5 day split
Day 1 shoulders and traps and calves
Day 2 legs and abs
Day 3 biceps and triceps
Day 4 40 min cardio (stationary bike ride)
Day 5 Chest and calves
Day 6 Back and abs
Day 7 40 min cardio (stationary bike ride)



Thank you again for your help it is appreciated

Split your cyp shots, will lessen side effects and keep blood levels stable, 125mgx2 PW
HCG i would use from week 4 at 250iu x 2 per week right up to start of pct
Turnibol dose is fine
PCT
Week 1, CLomid 100mg daily - 7 days
Week 2,3,4 and 5, Nolva 20mg daily, Aromasin 20mg daily.

Looks like you know what you are doing.

Buddy I am an old man hey I`m 41 but I have been around the block already so if there is anything you ever want to know about diets and training splits and way`s to get naturally hard I know a lot about that and I will answer as well as I can on any topic its just I am new to the drug world I only started to take at 40 all the time I just hit the weights and the diet, but now my body doesn’t make the hormones it used to but this wolf still wants to run with the young boy pack so I decide to give gear a bash and hey I really appreciate your feedback on everything.
Next question I have been in the game for God knows how long now so the source I can get my gear from is totally legit and I trust this guy I should I know him for years as a friend and not a supplier but he can generally get 2 brand or gear the first in Nomad know I know that from the posts I have read on this forum the guys here slam the Nomad stuff badly the other gear he can get is Alfa Pharm now my question is which would you rather suggest I don’t want to go get gear from other people as I don’t know them and I don’t trust them I mean this is after all stuff you are ingesting intramuscularly through a syringe so you really want to know and trust your supplier.
So If I understand you injection protocol you would suggest taking a shot on a Monday and say Thursday and taking ½ ml of test C with 1 ml Equipoise in one syringe and injecting that instead of the 3 shot protocol I suggested?
Is it ok to take 1.5ml shot in the quad I take and do my shots myself and its dame difficult to take a shot in the glut if your trying to do it yourself.

Alpha pharma! Leave the nomad.
I take 3ml shots in quads no problem, pull back on the plunger once in and inject slowly.
When do you plan on starting?

FIllet wrote: Test at 250mg should be fine but then rather use cyp opposed to test en.

Explain please.

I like the way you think man. You seem to have done your homework so big ups to you. I want to help you here but bloody hell you talk more than Oprah! I will quote you and try to answer every paragraph shortly.

vvictor wrote: First my stats
Age 41
Height 176cm
Years of training 24
Cycles 2 to date
1st cycle 500mg test for 12 weeks


2nd cycle 500mg tests a week for 12 weeks
50 mag Var for the last 7 weeks
Weight current 88kg body fat current 12%
Competition time 75kg at 4 or 5 % body fat
Current diet I run a 40/40/20 split
Protein 320g a day Carbs 300g a day and 85g of fats a day for a total of 3200 Kcal a day
Goal to add about 7 to 8kg of lean mass over a long period of time say about 20 weeks
Problems I am prowen to gyno and water retention at 500mg of test a week already so I would like keep my test as low as possible on my cycle but still high enough to keep all the other fubctions of my body that depend on test working well as I am in a relationship and don’t want my partner to start to worry that I am cheeting on her because she is not getting any due to the cycle I am on.

Your side effects are caused by high levels of aromatisation. This is the process where testosterone is converted into estrogen. Keep your test at 500-600mg per week and use an AI during your cycle. A great drug for this purpose is Aromasin.

Next being 41 I am in super condition for my age and would judge myself in the top 3% of body builders out there I have competed in the past and won SA in my division and I did it naturally back the but that was 5 years ago and I just feel I have come to a time in my life I need some chemical assistance.

So the compounds I have considers are Deca Durabloin and equipoise I only want long ester drugs as I am not interested in pinning more that twice or 3 times a week at 1ml a time please.
So the cycle I have reached would look something like this
Week 1 to 20 (this is my main course)
Testosterone Enanthate 250mg a week
Boldenone undecylenate 500mg a week

It will be a disappointing cycle. Test 500mg. EQ is good.

Week 20 to 24 (this is a bridge form my cycle to my pct as I need to wait 30day for the testE before I can start my pct)
40mg Oral Turinibal every day

PCT week 24 to 29
Will follow PCT protocol 2 as stipulate in this site it will consist of clomide HGC and Nolvadex for a period of 5 weeks .

The longest ester is the EQ, so your bridging period is 50 days after your last shot of EQ.

Any input on my cycle would be very welcome and appreciated please note I have not included any AI in my cycle as I don’t know if I would need any at these does.

vvictor wrote: First I would like to take the opportunity to thank you for taking your time to go through my mail and reviewing it.
My concern is I am 41 and I have been training since 16 with never more than a week off every for 25 years so my joints are ok but I do have a bit of joint pain already so I am just concerned about that with the winstrol.

100% Right regarding joint pain. EQ is super helpful with sore joints.

I am not to concerned about carrying a bot of water from the cycle so the oral turin was my choice just because var was dame expensive and Dbol just has to many gyno side effects.
I agree.
As for the duration of my cycle I hear what you have to say and I do also know that most equipoise cycles are run at 16 weeks I have chosen 20 weeks because I only do one course a year I have trained for 25 year without anything and only now am I starting to take some AAS but I want to to it in the most responsible fashion so for me I don’t want to ever land up like the guys I see at the gym that only come to gym when they are on gear so I have made a conscious choice to allow myself only one course a year hence the prolonged period, my dosages are low on all my drugs to, so that it will compensate for this extended duration. I belong to the school of thought that slow progressive progress helds better quality gains than a rushed massive increase approach.
I agree.
Now that you have an understanding as to why I have chosen the length of my cycle let’s look at my drug choice I have chosen Test E because it has a 7 atom ester compared to test C that has and 8 atom easter hence the test that is available for relies from test E should be a bit more than the test that is available from test C this is just what I have read and do not know if in practice it works this way as I have only ever used testoviron in the past.
The difference to practical usage is nnegligible. Choose one or the other it akes no difference. Lipton or Nestle Iced Tea?
I have chosen Equipoise firstly for the the fact that the side effects of this drug are a lot less than any other anabolic if you compare it to deca there is no prolactin gyno from it if you compare it to tren there are no side effects associated with tren either and those are about the only long ester anabolic that have long esters and are worth having on a cycle the reason why I want a drug with a long ester as I don’t want to pin more that 1 ml at a time and I don’t want to pin more than 3 times a week either and lastly there is also a serious benefit from Equipoise and bone density and tendon and ligament rejuvenation due to its ability to increase collagen product and uptake in the body.
Deca is better at this than EQ but they are both awesome! Stick with EQ for this cycle and cosider deca for your next cycle.
Next with my doses I was hoping to get away without having to use any AI during my cycle do you think at my doses that would be possible?
Now my question on Equipoise is about the appetite stimulation this is my big concern as I can eat like no one I have ever met I battle to stay on 3200Kcal a day I constantly feel hungry already. I have no problem eating 500g protein 500g carbs and 180g fats a day at 5500Kcal a day so if I go no equipoise will I be able to control my appetite.
Yes. IF not, then I suggest Clenbuterol and Yohimbine. The Yohimbine combined with Test will make you a sexual deviant. See how pissed you get when your lady starts saying no more.
Now as from my mail you would have note that I am not an idiot that has gone into planning a cycle without doing any background homework on the cycle but like everything in life what you read is only ever a good guideline as to what you should be doing but we all know that in reality it never works like this that is why I have posted this thread as I would like to get some input from guys that have been down the road and have actual experience with these drugs so I really do appreciate all of the input I can receive on my questions and I am not one of these people that was time and don’t take advice so once again all the input I can get is greatly appreciated.
I help gladly and ask anything you like.

vvictor wrote: Thank you again for taking the time to read my reply, it is noted and appreciated.
So suggested cycle,
Week 1-15
Test C 250mg every week (one shot on a Wednesday)
Equpise 250mg x 2 every weel ( one shot on a Monday and one shot on a Friday)
Keeping armidex on hand if I encounter any gyno symptoms at 0.5mg every other day
As far as the HGC I am note sure how to go about using it in my cycle I was thinking maybe 250mg twice a week for 10 weeks starting after week 10 of my cycle this would mean that I would run it to the last week which will be week 20 of my new suggested 21 week cycle.
Week 15- 21
40mg Oral Turinibal every day
PCT
DAY 1 -5
100MG CLOMIDE
Day 5-15
60mg Nolvadex
Day 15- 25
40mh Nolvadex
Day 25-35
20mg Nolvadex
Please help on the PCT specially with the addition of the aromisin.

Read me

Please note I will be upping my daily Kcal intake to my macros will be as follows
By the time I do the course which is in a months’ time I will be at least 93kg and about 14% body fat
I will up my diet to the following stats 350g protein 350g carbs and 100g fats a day and my Kcal will be close to about 3700Kcal from my macros this will leave me with 3.75g protein 3.75g carbs and 1.1g fats per Kg of body weight will this be enough to get the max gains from my course without adding to much body fat.

Your body will tell you how to adjust macros. What you read abour grams per kg of protein and carbs and fats are just good starting points. Our bodies are extremely unique and there is no such thing as a one size fits all diet. Not even close you will not believe the difference!

Look I an not dumb when it comes to diet`s and training plans and I know for any type of muscle development to occur you need to eat a surplus of Kcal and that is what I have done I have about 700Kcals surplus now if I were doing a natural bulk this would be way to much on a natural bulk I would up my Kcal by 350 and that would work fine but I know on gear your body id able to process more protein symphsis and you burn a lot more Kcals to so I was just wondering if 700Kcal would be enough bearing in mind I pack on weight and size very easily .
I will be sticking to my 5 day split
Day 1 shoulders and traps and calves
Day 2 legs and abs My opinion: If you can train legs with another muscle group then you are not training them properly. You can even split quads and hammies because some feel it is too much.
Day 3 biceps and triceps
Day 4 40 min cardio (stationary bike ride)
Day 5 Chest and calves
Day 6 Back and abs
Day 7 40 min cardio (stationary bike ride)
Looks good yeah. Have at least one day per cycle where your body can completely switch off and your CNS can recover.


Thank you again for your help it is appreciated

vvictor wrote: Buddy I am an old man hey I`m 41 but I have been around the block already so if there is anything you ever want to know about diets and training splits and way`s to get naturally hard I know a lot about that and I will answer as well as I can on any topic its just I am new to the drug world I only started to take at 40 all the time I just hit the weights and the diet, but now my body doesn’t make the hormones it used to but this wolf still wants to run with the young boy pack so I decide to give gear a bash and hey I really appreciate your feedback on everything.

I guess we can only see how much you know by the quality of your posts.

Next question I have been in the game for God knows how long now so the source I can get my gear from is totally legit and I trust this guy I should I know him for years as a friend and not a supplier but he can generally get 2 brand or gear the first in Nomad know I know that from the posts I have read on this forum the guys here slam the Nomad stuff badly the other gear he can get is Alfa Pharm now my question is which would you rather suggest I don’t want to go get gear from other people as I don’t know them and I don’t trust them I mean this is after all stuff you are ingesting intramuscularly through a syringe so you really want to know and trust your supplier.

Alpha Pharma without question!

So If I understand you injection protocol you would suggest taking a shot on a Monday and say Thursday and taking ½ ml of test C with 1 ml Equipoise in one syringe and injecting that instead of the 3 shot protocol I suggested?

Twice a week is more than enough. You can even pin once a week if you don´t have skin problems. That is the only reason we suggest twice a week versus only once for Test-En and Cyp.

Is it ok to take 1.5ml shot in the quad I take and do my shots myself and its dame difficult to take a shot in the glut if your trying to do it yourself.

I think glutes are better and easier, but each to their own.

Pyroclasm wrote:

FIllet wrote: Test at 250mg should be fine but then rather use cyp opposed to test en.

Explain please.

Injection pain only, pending brand and BA
More complaints on injection pain with En vs C

Ye I'd choose Cyp as it's painless but I wouldn't go under 500mg a week. You'll be disappointed and if your going to shut yourself down you may as well do it properly.

Myself included Rhino 500 to 750 test is good for me but the man mentions slow steady gains so i am of the opinion that he will still grow, the eq will give him the steady lean gains he is after - think its goal dependant. Some guys prefer very lean with definition. Currently i am looking for muscle head so my doses and cals will be higher. Next cycle i am gunning at 5800 cals per day

And plus 1 Rhino, a helpful gent is what you are

Good day , thank you again for the input and yes I suppose I do carry on a bit in my posts its just this is new to me and I would like to be sure about everything I want to keep my cycle as productive as possible but also want to keep any side effects down to a minimum I do however know nothing in life free so with the gains will come the side effect`s I am just trying to establish a nice common ground before I commence with the cycle,
So from the post`s I have read and the feedback I have received I would just like to sum everything up in a nutshell and get some conscious on everything from everyone,
Cycle plan
Week 1-15
250mg Testobolin Enanantahte x 2 per week (Monday evening and Thursday evening)
250 mg Boldenone undecylenate x 2 per week (Monday evening and Thursday evening)
HCG 250mg x 2 per week (Monday evening and Thursday evening) starting week 4 of my cycle and running it till I start my PCT.
Keeping aromisin on hand if I get any gyno flair up if I do I will take 20mg every day for a week and see if the problem goes away and if it does I will stick to 20mg every other day till the en of my cycle.
Week 15-21
50mg Rexobol a day every day for 50 days ( Rexobol is alpha pharm oral Winnie I wanted the Oral Turinibal but I can only get Nomad so I opted for the Rexabol 50mg tabs instead) I know that Winnie is very hard on the liver so what liver support protocol do I follow when I start the Winnie.
PCT Week 22- 27
Week 1, CLomid 100mg daily - 7 days
Week 2,3,4 and 5, Nolva 20mg daily, Aromasin 20mg daily

Diet starting point will be calculated at a body weight of 200lbs or 91kg macros will be a follows
Protein 350g/ day
Carbs 350g/day
Fats 90g/ day
Traning split
Day 1 shoulders and traps morning calves evening
Day 2 legs morning abs evening
Day 3 biceps and triceps
Day 4 40 min cardio (stationary bike ride) morning
Day 5 Chest morning calves evening
Day 6 Back morning abs evening
Day 7 1 hour walking my dogs as this will be my rest day but I want to stay active

FIllet wrote:

Pyroclasm wrote:

FIllet wrote: Test at 250mg should be fine but then rather use cyp opposed to test en.

Explain please.

Injection pain only, pending brand and BA
More complaints on injection pain with En vs C

Mostly with PGW Test-En. The Alpha Pharma Testobolin is as painless as they come. I am not even speaking about combining with the Boldebolin. Smooth as silk.

vvictor wrote: Good day , thank you again for the input and yes I suppose I do carry on a bit in my posts its just this is new to me and I would like to be sure about everything I want to keep my cycle as productive as possible but also want to keep any side effects down to a minimum I do however know nothing in life free so with the gains will come the side effect`s I am just trying to establish a nice common ground before I commence with the cycle,

The base of my first cycle was Test-En and EQ both @500mg per week. I had no side effects at all except gyno, which I controlled with Arimidex. I think your experience will be similar.

So from the post`s I have read and the feedback I have received I would just like to sum everything up in a nutshell and get some conscious on everything from everyone,
Cycle plan
Week 1-15
250mg Testobolin Enanantahte x 2 per week (Monday evening and Thursday evening)
250 mg Boldenone undecylenate x 2 per week (Monday evening and Thursday evening)
Pin once a week. 4ml into the glutes is fine. If you find your skin acts out then change to twice a week.
HCG 250mg x 2 per week (Monday evening and Thursday evening) starting week 4 of my cycle and running it till I start my PCT.
This is very important for a long cycle!
Keeping aromisin on hand if I get any gyno flair up if I do I will take 20mg every day for a week and see if the problem goes away and if it does I will stick to 20mg every other day till the en of my cycle.
No. You said you are prone to gyno so it will 100% flare up again once the test is at a high enough concentration. You need to be proactive about this. Starting week 3 up to the start of PCT, run Arimidex at 0.5mg twice a week. I would rather run Aromasin than Arimidex.
Week 15-21
50mg Rexobol a day every day for 50 days ( Rexobol is alpha pharm oral Winnie I wanted the Oral Turinibal but I can only get Nomad so I opted for the Rexabol 50mg tabs instead) I know that Winnie is very hard on the liver so what liver support protocol do I follow when I start the Winnie.
Essentiale 2 tabs three times a day.
PCT Week 22- 27
Week 1, CLomid 100mg daily - 7 days
Week 2,3,4 and 5, Nolva 20mg daily, Aromasin 20mg daily
From week 2, finish any HCG you have left @250IU twice a week.

Diet starting point will be calculated at a body weight of 200lbs or 91kg macros will be a follows
Protein 350g/ day
Carbs 350g/day
Fats 90g/ day
Looks good
Traning split
Day 1 shoulders and traps morning calves evening
Day 2 legs morning abs evening
Day 3 biceps and triceps
Day 4 40 min cardio (stationary bike ride) morning
Day 5 Chest morning calves evening
Day 6 Back morning abs evening
Day 7 1 hour walking my dogs as this will be my rest day but I want to stay active
Looks better!

Thank you for the input,
So my drug`s shopping list will look something like this then all from
alpha pharm
Testobolin (Enanantahte) 30 x 1ml amps
Boldenone undecylenate 30 x 1ml amps
Rexobol 50mg per tablet 50 tabs

From alternative manufacture

Altamofen (Nolvadex) 20mg tablets x 30 tables
Clomiphene Citrate from Mer National South Africa 10 x 50mg tablets
Chronic Gonaditrphin from Switzerland IBSA 1 ampule 5000iu`s


Now I have no idea on the packaging or the producer of armidex or the aromisin could you please provide the details of the products available in south Africa so that I can acquire this from my source to please could I ask you to stipulate the amount I will need for my AI during my cycle as well as for my PCT by this I mean something like you will need a box of 30 1mg tablets of aramidex the common brand in SA is (A) and for your PCT you will need a box of 30 aromisin tablets at 20 mg per tablet and the common brand in SA is ( as I know you guys cannot hand out supplier info on this site but I am sure you could help me with a product name description and quantity they are avalbe in SA .

Thank you for all the help guys I plan on getting a price on all the gear by the end of next week then I plan to by all my gear I need for my course by the end of May and start my course then I should run it till nearly November and will post something every week just to track my progress on it.

Last question on HGC I can get the 5000iu from Switzerland IBSA now this comes with 2ml water solution for the activation of this product now I am going to have 2ml of this stuff when I conjugated it hence if I by diabetic syringes and take up 0.1ml in each syringe I can use 2 of these a week for my HCG administration during my cycle on a Tuesday and Friday respectively, as on Monday and Thursday I will be taking my 2ml shots 1ml in the right quad of test and 1 ml in the left quad of equipoise I would just like to know if I keep these 20 diabetic syringes in the fridge will it be ok to use them for 10 weeks after the HCG had been conjugated or will the HCG expire before the end of the 10 week period. I don’t want to land up injecting stuff that has passed it shelf life even if it is under the skin.

Thanking you in advance for your input on this matter.

I suspect you won't be able to get Liquid Pharmaceuticals Arimidex or Aromasin from your supplier.
For Arimidex I have had good experiences with the Astra Zeneca 30 tabs at 1mg each. One box is enough.
For Aromasin I would get the one made by Pfizer or Pharmacia & Upjohn 30 tabs at 25mg each. Also one box.
You need two vials of HCG for this cycle.

Mix the EQ and Test into one syringe. No sense in injecting twice on the same day. Syringes last years and just store anywhere out of direct sunlight.

Thank you for your input ,I will then make sure I get one box of each and 2 vials od HCG , but my question was not on how long injections last but rather on how long I can keep the HGC in the insulin syringes in the fridge before it will expire?
And I will then take 1ml test and 1ml Equpoise and combine them into one syringe and inject that into my left quad on a Monday and the same thing into my right quad of a Thursday for the 15 week`s.

I help gladly. Yes that´s right! HCG does not keep long once reconstituted. 10 Weeks is still okay. This means you only reconstitute your second vial of HCG once your first vial is finished. When you store it in the fridge, don´t store it in the door but rather somewhere in the back where you won´t accidentally bang into it or move it (it is very fragile).