10 week lean bulk

I like prop because its in and out quicker and 85% test as the easter does not take up as much weight - it is my 3de cycle not my first - what would a good pct be then? Pct 2 ? And letrozole as a AI at 0.25mg EOD? And dbol I hate as it has water retention and not much real muscle gains

No I am going PGW all the way as they are the only lab I trust that will not rip me of with fake gear so PGW and LP all the way

thenewguy wrote: I like prop because its in and out quicker and 85% test as the easter does not take up as much weight - it is my 3de cycle not my first - what would a good pct be then? Pct 2 ? And letrozole as a AI at 0.25mg EOD? And dbol I hate as it has water retention and not much real muscle gains

D-Bol gives water gains you are right but this water is good for muscle building! You do see about 1-2kg of retainable muscle from D-Bol which is not bad. Use Letro only if needed. During your other cycles did you experience symptoms of gyno?

True that you get more test per 100mg of substance (85 vs 70). However per ml Prop you get 100mg product whereas one ml Supertest gives 320mg product. So using these you find that 1 vial (10ml) of Prop gives for example 850mg of pure test, whereas 1 vial (10ml) of Supertest gives more than two and a half times as much. There is less than 10% difference in price between the two. Many make this mistake.

With the price of tbol I could buy a nother 10ml of test prop - so I am wondering now if I do a test prop only cycle will that make a difference ? Or would the test tbol cycle be better? Add more muscle?? -- and I have had gyno problems once in a cycle with suston and deca but it was the worst cycle I have ever done as I had no idea what I was doing

I am guessing your gyno on your Sus cycle was caused by you pinning too infrequently. Sustanon as well as Supertest are a blend of esters, both with Prop being the shortest ester. This means you need to pin EOD, or if you are lucky you can get away with E3D. If you pin Sustanon once a week (as is customary on a Deca-Sus cycle) then your testosterone levels will fluctuate a great deal. These fluctuations are the main cause of side effects when using testosterone, especially causing skin problems and gyno. Another possibility for the gyno is from the Deca causing elevated prolactin levels.

Does adding the tbol to the cycle really have that much more Difference than just adding more test prop only? For exampel running a 8 week test prop only cycle at 150mg EOD?

At the moment I am 20% over requierd calories so that I add muscle - so if I eat to grow and use a 8 week test pop cycle - will 6kg lean muscle and a 2% drop in bf be Realistic ?

If I do a test prop only cycle what would be the suggested dosage? As this will be my 3de cycle my last cycle was 6 month ago

Would 100mg EOD be good for 10 weeks?

HCG @ 250iu 2 time a week?

thenewguy wrote: At the moment I am 20% over requierd calories so that I add muscle - so if I eat to grow and use a 8 week test pop cycle - will 6kg lean muscle and a 2% drop in bf be Realistic ? Possible if your training and diet in dialed in

If I do a test prop only cycle what would be the suggested dosage? 150mg EOD As this will be my 3de cycle my last cycle was 6 month ago

Would 100mg EOD be good for 10 weeks? 150mg EOD

HCG @ 250iu 2 time a week? Yes

Thank you oupa of the help - do I start the HCG from week 2 and into pct or stop before pct?

Test @ 150mg EOD for 8 weeks? Or is 10 weeks better

Should I add a AI? Letro?

Pct starts 4 days after last jab?

Will 100mg EOD be a waist of money and time if I do not add tbol? And will that dosage be fine if I do add tbol to the cycle?

Oky so I want to go with 100mg EOD for 10 weeks as this will be my first proper cycle with test prop ( have used sust in the past)

Will this be a waist of time?

150mg EOD bro

150mg EOD for 8 weeks?

AI needed?

HCG on cycle?

Yes 100 would be a waste. 150mg for at least 10 weeks in my opinion bro.
AI always needed. Rather safe then sorry hey.
HCG from a few weeks into the cycle is perfect yes.

Does it make any difference that my last cycle was 6 month ago? Or should I stil stick to 150mg EOD no matter when my last cycle was

AI on cycle letro 0.25mg EOD

HCG from week 2 in cycle

Does age matter? Or make a differance?

This will be my second test cycle ever

thenewguy wrote: Does it make any difference that my last cycle was 6 month ago? Or should I stil stick to 150mg EOD no matter when my last cycle was Stay with 150mg for 10 weeks

AI on cycle letro 0.25mg EOD if you are gyno prone

HCG from week 2 in cycle Week 4

Does age matter? Or make a differance? If you are 70+

This will be my second test cycle ever

Haha you not over 70 are you Oupa?

Nate40 wrote: Haha you not over 70 are you Oupa?

More than halfway there

All I know is if I was in a bar fight tonight I would want Oupa on my side

Nate40 wrote: All I know is if I was in a bar fight tonight I would want Oupa on my side

Lets stay on the topic bud, and btw.... you will not find me in or close to a bar.

Oupa wrote:

Nate40 wrote: All I know is if I was in a bar fight tonight I would want Oupa on my side

Lets stay on the topic bud, and btw.... you will not find me in or close to a bar.

The Grand on the other hand....

thenewguy wrote: If I do it all natural I wil only be able to compeet when I am 23 years old and when wil I stop gaining muscle? See that is my worry

you will only stop gaining muscle from a natural perspective when you stop progressing in your training. if you are lifting heavier weights each week or doing more repetitions for say 3 out of 4 exercises you are creating a greater load on the muscle,tearing more muscle fibers to repair which in turn creates a bigger muscle. a stronger muscle is generally a bigger muscle when working with in the correct repetition ranges. working between 1-4 reps is generally for pure strength training, between 6-15 reps is more for hypertrophy of the muscle. i say as high as 15 reps as some muscle such as calves, or legs need to be hammered by the higher rep ranges due to needing more load on them for them to grow.

if u are doing incline bench press and progressing each week, for example : at week 1 you are pressing 50kgs for 10 reps,week 2 60kgs for 8 reps,week 3 60kgs for 10 reps, week 4 60kgs for 12 reps, week 5 70kgs for 8 reps etc. there is no reason why the muscle will not grow when you are putting additional load upon it. this will not happen if u are not training to positive failure how ever and racking the weight because u have reached required amount of reps vs racking the weight because you physically cannot force out another rep.

if you are training to failure,in my opinion, you are failing to train. this is why alot(not all) of women hardly get results, they battle to push to failure and often put the weight down because they have reached a certain number, or they fail to progress each week with doing more reps or even heavier weights.