Rhino giving the stage a go..!

Well sourcing Nolva a day before Easter weekend wasn't easy :lol: but I'm sorted.
I'll run it along with the Letro for a couple of days and report back.

Thanks

A big thanks to Pump. The Nolva after only 3 days seems to be doing the trick.
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@Rhino. Any sneak peek of your progress thus far?

Rhino wrote: A big thanks to Pump. The Nolva after only 3 days seems to be doing the trick.
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Glad it's sorted

Well I've been running 20mg Nolva and 5 drops of Letro every day for the past 15 days plus .5mg Bromo every 5 days. At first I thought it was getting better but it hasn't.!
I think it's stabalized as in not getting any worse but behind my nipples is still sore to the touch. I was playing with my Son this morning and he kicked me in the Tit (I tought I was going to cry :lol:

I upper my Letro to 10 drops this morning. My question is do I up it to 15drops and if I do do I drop the Nolva and give it another week at 15 drops and see? Any ideas Pump?

I've stopped the HCG because I've been on 250ius twice a week for a month so I'm having a month off before resuming with it.

If I don't get this shit sorted soon I'm going to have to stop my cycle and Prep as this just isn't fun anymore.

I wouldn't drop the nolva and I wouldn't go beyond the 10 drops.. you in a bit of a sticky place. You see that area is going to be sensitive, extremely. That is also going to take some time to subside. You really don't want to be agrovating that area at all, so don't touch it what so ever..

What test are you taking ? Prop? How much and how often are you pinning ?

We may need to simplify the process and cut out the NPP. And just go with testosterone only, if we don't get to the route cause now you are going to have this balls up every cycle you go on in the future.

The adding of Nolva was actually a life line while I was hoping the AI did what it was required to do. The thing is without blood work it is difficult to say.. the other thing is with blood work it will not completely clear things up either..

Just know it takes time for the hormone levels to settle and over compensating on the AI could just add some extra nasty side effects and probably add depression to the mix on top of aches, cholesterol and the list goes on

What I have come to see is that what is write on paper and what happens in real life is two different stories.. letro preventing gynecomastia as a double edge sword is not accurate.. suppressing estrogen to much causes gynecomastia, to lower levels of testosterone causes gynecomastia, many medications including diuretics cause gynecomastia..

So even stopping and going straight to PCT could really screw your hormone levels up even more.. A big player that causes gynecomastia regardless what you take to try prevent it is hCG, so stopping that might be all that is required.. Again let's analyse and then work from there

Thanks Pump. Well I'll carry on with Nolva and 10 drops of Letro for another week and keep my fingers crossed.
I'm on Test Cyp pinned 250mg M/W/F Ye even tough I'd been running Letro from the get go 2 days after the HCG the shit hit the fan.

Rhino wrote: Thanks Pump. Well I'll carry on with Nolva and 10 drops of Letro for another week and keep my fingers crossed.
I'm on Test Cyp pinned 250mg M/W/F Ye even tough I'd been running Letro from the get go 2 days after the HCG the shit hit the fan.

Prop is a much better choice for me personally with regards to gynecomastia.. So maybe in the future rather go with prop.

Cool dude, hCG is a bugger with regards to flare ups, so let's see over the next few days.. I must warn you, where you at now is currently in the process of growth from those glands..

So try not shake things up to much, as hormone shifts can cause further problems..

Good luck bro

I would take a break from the HCG for a while. I reckon that along with 10 drops a day of letro you'll be fine in no time but if you can feel lumps after 10 days I would up the dose of letro for sure. I've had to take 15+ drops a day a few times. I'd rather feel shitty for a little while than have permapuff pecs.

Ye this shit is no Fun :lol: thanks for the help Gents I'll run it like this for then next week or so and report back on exactly how limp my dick is and if I need to start shopping for a sports bra...

Letro isn't for sissies..! No joint pain thanks to the NPP but I'm battling to keep my eyes open. I've been sleeping for 10 plus hours at night and by lunch time I'm buggered.

Rhino wrote: Letro isn't for sissies..! No joint pain thanks to the NPP but I'm battling to keep my eyes open. I've been sleeping for 10 plus hours at night and by lunch time I'm buggered.

Powerful AI. So many contributing factors that can come into play.

How's the sensitivity

I THINK they are a bit better :lol: I'm trying my best not to touch them every morning for an inspection...

Rhino, how's the rest of your physique and progress? Is this story still worth the trouble? Not discouraging you mate, just curious. Supporting you all the way.

Ye well like Pump said if I just come off and jump on PCT things may only get worse once hormones start changing again. So I'm riding it out for now and hopefully I'll be able to tapped down the Letro in the near future.

I won't BS the last 3 weeks or so haven't been fun at all and I'm stuck in a bit of a difficult position but my weight has still been going up and training/diet are still on point. I'm hoping I've not got much or any breast growth but I suppose we'll only really see once I'm down to 6% or below I'm at about 11% now and the first place I put on weight is my chest so it's almost impossible to judge at the moment. My nipples look fine even with my arm over my head but they have been as sensitive as all hell. I can feel a tiny(smaller than a pea) pip under my nipples but the area around the arioli feels a bit puffy but then I don't no if it's just fat or Moobs.

The plan is to switch from NPP to Masterone at the end of next month and going to more of a recomp than all out bulk but who knows I'm just taking it day by day at the moment.

Good morning Gents
Well on Friday I went up to 15 drops of Letro a day and today almost all sensitivity is gone :woohoo: I'm starting to think that my first bottle of Letro may have lost some of its potency? I've been on a new bottle since the beginning of last week(ok at high doses) but that's whene everything started coming together again?
Pump do you think I should drop the Nolva and Bromo now and carry on with just Letro until the weekend then assess if I can start tapering that down?

Rhino wrote: Good morning Gents
Well on Friday I went up to 15 drops of Letro a day and today almost all sensitivity is gone :woohoo: I'm starting to think that my first bottle of Letro may have lost some of its potency? I've been on a new bottle since the beginning of last week(ok at high doses) but that's whene everything started coming together again?
Pump do you think I should drop the Nolva and Bromo now and carry on with just Letro until the weekend then assess if I can start tapering that down?

Don't you think it took some time for those higher doses to take effect bud? Either way, good news! Glad to hear it! How's the joints feeling? No sniffles? . That's a lot of letro :woohoo:

Rhino wrote: Pump do you think I should drop the Nolva and Bromo now and carry on with just Letro until the weekend then assess if I can start tapering that down?

yes sounds good

Ye apart from feeling a bit Grogy at times alls good. I'm sure the NPP is helping the joints though.

I posted a huge reply which seems to be lost.. I would wait another week to make sure things are further getting better or at least staying the same.

Phase two will probably require us to introduce aromasin to prevent a rebound flux of estrogen when tapering down the letro

Thanks Pump. Ye I've got aromasin on hand for when we come to that, I don't see myself coming completely off the Letro but I sure hope to get the dose Much lower than it is.
My mood has definay lifted a bit with the sensitivity dropping away.

You can start to lower it soon.. just play it safe, the control of your estrogen when gynecomastia is new can be revered to a degree , so just hang in there.. keep us updated

Ye I don't really mind the Letro but the Nolva seems to be messing with my eyes a bit and when your a Jeweller that's not ideal :lol:

Ye I'll keep things as they are for another week and report back. Thanks for all the help Pump

Hey Gents, I've got Man Flu :lol: I'm feeling a bit better today after having the weekend relaxing and I'm hoping to get back to gym tomorrow.
As for my Gyno wars my tits feel much better, very little sensitivity my right nipple has a tiny(hardly noticeable) pip that you really have to probe for so I'm not to concerned about that.
I'm still on Nolva and 1.5mg Letro daily. What are your thoughts? I'm thinking about carrying on as is until the weekend and then dropping the Nolva and slowly tapering down the Letro until I'm at about 5 drops a day and then adding the aromasin for a couple of weeks until I swich from NPP to Mas.
Then we'd be able to assess the Letro dose again?

Or maybe I should up the Letro dose to 20 drops for the next 5 days to see if I can kill all signs...?