Rhino giving the stage a go..!

No don't increase the letro that high , you looking for shit.. after the cycle the lump might go away.. ye you nolva will make your eyes fuzzy, and that can become permanent, so look at dropping it. Tapper the letro extremely slowly.. and look at a minimum of 5 days between adjustments. The letro is probably the cause of the flue so you do need to slowly start coming off that.

Thanks Pump. How would you suggest i tapped it? Take a drop less each day and then when I get to 10 drops on Monday keep the Letro at 10 for a week before adjusting again.

I can't give you the right answer here.. if I was doing 15, I'd go to 10, 7, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1 for a week.. then the 1 eod for a week. When I get to around 3 drops I'd start to introduce aromasin

Hey Gents. Well I dropped the Letro by a drop a day and at 11 drops the sensitivity started returning so I've uped the Letro to 15 drops again.
I'm at a complete loss here this is ridiculous..!

Any ideas? Do you think adding Masteron to the mix may help?
Should I drop the test dose from 750 to 500mg a week?
Should I throw in the towel on competing drop the NPP add Masteron in its place and ride it out until I don't need Letro?(in the past while running Mast I haven't needed any Letro) get leaner and then just do a full PCT.

Any input would be appreciated

I find 4 drops of letro and equal dose of masteron and testosterone, this is for prop. It's possible the nandrolone is causing problems .. I would not like to be living on 15 drops .. it's going to take you along time to recover from that .

Ye I don't feel great at all, I'm down and tired all the time. Even getting my ass out of bed to train is a mission in the mornings after 8+ hours of sleep.

If you want to continue the cycle and have no gyno issues I can't think of another way besides either keeping it around 15 drops a day, or by starting aromasin along with a lower dose of letro. That could work. I have also had to take 15+ drops a day of letro on cycle to fight of a lump that was starting to form. It did suck but I started to feel better after a while as my body got used to it. With my last cycle I only needed a few drops a day, so it doesn't mean you will now always have to go crazy with the letro dose.

Well I'm going to have to keep it at 15 drops or over for the next week now to try and stem the tide again, maybe I'll add Aromasin EOD. But I'm seriously considering switching to Mas, dropping NPP and lowering the test dose. lean out for a bit and then come off cycle.
I see very little point pressing on with things as they are when the high dose Letro has all but stopped me growing.

Rhino wrote: Well I'm going to have to keep it at 15 drops or over for the next week now to try and stem the tide again, maybe I'll add Aromasin EOD. But I'm seriously considering switching to Mas, dropping NPP and lowering the test dose. lean out for a bit and then come off cycle.
I see very little point pressing on with things as they are when the high dose Letro has all but stopped me growing.

There is more than black and white words on developing breast tissue growth.. otherwise an AI would cure breast cancer. By you adding in so many compounds, and now adding aromasin doesn't seem like a clever option. Each of these drugs have serious side effects.. it's not about just pushing through, you can develop many complications. You are putting strain on your heart with high doses of letro and I can give you a list of other things it's doing..

It's like someone taking a stimulant for drive or what ever reason and then taking a beta blocker to try slow down the heart.. Clearly the heart isn't liking it if you are needing to take another drug to counter the effects of another compound..

Some people just can't use certain steroids.. I was able to use any steroid for 6 years and 1 day my body said you going to get gyno if you look at a steroid bottle.. it's just the way things go.. and no amount of AI or SERM can fix this.. rather move to the materon... it's less stressful on your body than the nandrolone and you can get rid of or at least largely decreases the doses of the other drugs you using to prevent the negative side effects your body is expericing from those drugs (steroids) you on

Ye agreed thanks Pump. If 30 days of Nolva and 15 drops of Letro haven't worked it looks like my body has decided that it doesn't like gear or at least Nandralone anymore.
I've dropped the NPP this week and am currently only running 500mg of test along with the Letro wich I'm preying I can tapper down soon.
I was thinking of running test only for a week or 2 before adding the Mast just to make sure it was the NPP before adding another compound??

Do try. For me personally I just found the masteron assisted the effects testosterone has on my body. The best thing is to try get to the bottom of this now so you know how to go forward in the future.

Just a quick update. Well I've been off the NPP for a week and running just 500mg of test. I've managed to drop the Letro down to 10 drops and feel FAR better all round. A week ago after only 3 sets of squats on legs day I was Fucked and could hardly stand but today I finished a whole workout :lol:
Look I've got small pips behind each nipple that are only sensative if I push on them but I'd rather have them than feel like death to be honest. I'll add Mast next week and start Carb cycling to lean out so that I can see if and what damage I'm left with and then do a PCT
My weights stayed stable at 105 and the plan is to drop the Letro down to 7 drops on Friday and then 5 towards then end of next week when I add the Masteron

Once the cycle is finished they may reverse.. A little lump isn't an issue unless your hand is behind your head and you see it visibly

Rhino wrote: Just a quick update. Well I've been off the NPP for a week and running just 500mg of test. I've managed to drop the Letro down to 10 drops and feel FAR better all round. A week ago after only 3 sets of squats on legs day I was Fucked and could hardly stand but today I finished a whole workout :lol:
Look I've got small pips behind each nipple that are only sensative if I push on them but I'd rather have them than feel like death to be honest. I'll add Mast next week and start Carb cycling to lean out so that I can see if and what damage I'm left with and then do a PCT
My weights stayed stable at 105 and the plan is to drop the Letro down to 7 drops on Friday and then 5 towards then end of next week when I add the Masteron

Do you still have a coach in your employ? What's he had to say?

I've already paid for this month so yes but it'll be the last. I no how to cut and bulk I hired him mainly for the contest pre wich unfortunay won't be happening this year thanks to the Gyno hell I've been going through so there's no point paying a small fortune every month.
Has he been informative and given me a different perspective? Yes, but all the drugs in the world weren't helping the issue and he was just advising more.
I can get myself to a nice lean full 6% so if I'm not going to fine tune my physique for the stage I'd rather spend the cash on my family

That's Awesome bud! Really respect that perspective!

Well I've added Mast to the test and I'm down to 3 drops of Letro EOD and aromasin on alternate days I'm hoping to drop them both next week. The Gyno has completely cleared up no sensitivity or lumps at all.
Any idea why the NPP caused me such issues this time round despite running Bromo? Do you think it was Progresteron related?

I feel so much better coming off the Letro! Intensity has returned to my training ,I'm able to push heavier and I don't feel like I'm permanently a step away from passing out :lol:

Thanks again for your direction and support in my time of need Pump. Your a Gent

Hey Gents

Well I'm leaning out nicely carb cycling and my weight is still just over 100. I'm currently running 500mg test/300mg Mast a week and all signs of Gyno have gone

Hey Gents

Well I'm leaning out nicely carb cycling and my weight is still just over 100. I'm currently running 500mg test/300mg Mast a week and all signs of Gyno have gone.

I don't no what just happened half my post just disappeared. :blink:

I'm due to start my bridge at the beginning of August but really don't fancy shrinking in time for summer :lol: so I've been thinking about running a really low dose Test/Primo until December and then doing my PCT in Jan? What are your thoughts? I plan on taking at least 6 months off next year and doing a full recovery! Until it's time to grow for Summer again

Thanks

Glad to hear it is going well my bro!
Nate

Before you do this, take some bloods and lets see where you at.

250mg test & 400mg primo will be a good starting point. My cruzz looks slightly different :evil:

Oupa wrote: Before you do this, take some bloods and lets see where you at.

250mg test & 400mg primo will be a good starting point. My cruzz looks slightly different :evil:

What should I have checked? I'm sure my T will be through the roof estrogen and? My blood pressure is 100% I had my Mum check it over the weekend.

Your cholesterol all good?

Oupa wrote: Your cholesterol all good?

Fuck knows, I'll have it checked

Best you check out the silent killer