Bulk Cycle

I am a new to all of this so i would appreciate constructive criticisms from well experienced body builders and veterans please don't reply if you doing dbols or anavar cycles only

i started hitting the gym for the first time 8 months ago i was 74kg and 15-18% Bf

in the 8 months i have run 2 cycles and am on my 3rd 7 weeks in

current Stats

29 years old
1.9m tall
101Kg
3rd bulking cycle


this is my current cycle


week 1 - 6 Dbols 90mg ED
week 1 - 6 Proviron 20mg 2xED
week 1 - 10 Deca 400mg 2xPW
week 1 - 12 Sust 325mg 2xPW
week 1 - 16 test prop200mg EOD

week 10 - 16 Proviron 20mg 2xED
week 10 - 16 arimadex 0.5mg ED
week 12 - 16 HCG 500ius per week

pct will start on week 18 so its 6 weeks after last sust pin and 2 weeks after last prop pin

week 14 - 16 test prop will drop to 300mg per week and at the end of week 16 ill start a natural test booster for 4 weeks

pct will be clomid, nolvadex, HCG and aromasin

i have heard so many controversy about my cycle and that i must drop the prop and up the sust and that my cycle is to long and the proviron is useless

well i set this cycle up from what i have read up and understood from anabolic

i want to use the test prop not for the purpose of bulking rather for its quick acting ester
i site inject the prop on the core muscle i trained that day

Mondays i train Chest and tri so i site inject in my tri 100mg prop each side same day i pin deca and sust
Tuesdays no pin i train biceps forearms and calf
Wednesday i train shoulders and traps i pin 100mg prop in each deltoid
Thursday i train upper legs and calf again no pin
Friday i train lats and lower back i pin prop in each lat and sust and deca on this day as well

Saturday rest Sunday carb load

i found that using the prop like this my recovery in that area is better and the pump is insane

also i thought running the prop in my cycle would be good to keep the test higher than the deca and also when i stop the deca and sust and wait till pct it would help to lean out a bit help keep my gainings and gradually lower the dose helping my natural test to recover

im on week seven now and have for the past week picked up 300-500g mass a day

i eat no less than 6 solid high carb hi protiene meals a day

and a bout 3 in between meals and massive post work out shake

as i have said im only doing this 8 months no previous lifting of steroids
the only lifting i did was a dbl brandy and coke 3 reps per glass
i dont drink at all now the only ting i drink now is water(witch i really struggle with not getting near 3l a day)
well i do drink 2l milk a day

please advice if this cycle is correct if not please give a valid reason why so i can fix it or not make the same mistake again

what can i change to make it better is my AI right , what is your take on the proviron split in the cycle ( i love this stuff help to improve the free roaming test its not a AI)

AlphaWolf wrote: I am a new to all of this so i would appreciate constructive criticisms from well experienced body builders and veterans please don't reply if you doing dbols or anavar cycles only

i started hitting the gym for the first time 8 months ago i was 74kg and 15-18% Bf

in the 8 months i have run 2 cycles and am on my 3rd 7 weeks in

current Stats

29 years old
1.9m tall
101Kg
3rd bulking cycle


this is my current cycle


week 1 - 6 Dbols 90mg ED
week 1 - 6 Proviron 20mg 2xED
week 1 - 10 Deca 400mg 2xPW
week 1 - 12 Sust 325mg 2xPW
week 1 - 16 test prop200mg EOD

week 10 - 16 Proviron 20mg 2xED
week 10 - 16 arimadex 0.5mg ED
week 12 - 16 HCG 500ius per week

pct will start on week 18 so its 6 weeks after last sust pin and 2 weeks after last prop pin

week 14 - 16 test prop will drop to 300mg per week and at the end of week 16 ill start a natural test booster for 4 weeks

pct will be clomid, nolvadex, HCG and aromasin

i have heard so many controversy about my cycle and that i must drop the prop and up the sust and that my cycle is to long and the proviron is useless

well i set this cycle up from what i have read up and understood from anabolic

i want to use the test prop not for the purpose of bulking rather for its quick acting ester
i site inject the prop on the core muscle i trained that day

Mondays i train Chest and tri so i site inject in my tri 100mg prop each side same day i pin deca and sust
Tuesdays no pin i train biceps forearms and calf
Wednesday i train shoulders and traps i pin 100mg prop in each deltoid
Thursday i train upper legs and calf again no pin
Friday i train lats and lower back i pin prop in each lat and sust and deca on this day as well

Saturday rest Sunday carb load

i found that using the prop like this my recovery in that area is better and the pump is insane

also i thought running the prop in my cycle would be good to keep the test higher than the deca and also when i stop the deca and sust and wait till pct it would help to lean out a bit help keep my gainings and gradually lower the dose helping my natural test to recover

im on week seven now and have for the past week picked up 300-500g mass a day

i eat no less than 6 solid high carb hi protiene meals a day

and a bout 3 in between meals and massive post work out shake

as i have said im only doing this 8 months no previous lifting of steroids
the only lifting i did was a dbl brandy and coke 3 reps per glass
i dont drink at all now the only ting i drink now is water(witch i really struggle with not getting near 3l a day)
well i do drink 2l milk a day

please advice if this cycle is correct if not please give a valid reason why so i can fix it or not make the same mistake again

what can i change to make it better is my AI right , what is your take on the proviron split in the cycle ( i love this stuff help to improve the free roaming test its not a AI)

A lot of things messed up here.

Too many cycles in such a short time to begin with

Hay bud

Am I reading this right , you started gym for the fist time 8 moths ago and you are already 3 cycles in ?

Ummm, holy pig shit!!!! :ohmy:
8 month & 3 cycles, do you also download all the cheat codes when you install a new game?

Sorry, excuse me.

I think you missed out on the best gains of your life or masked them with anabolics.
You might have been pleasantly surprised how much you could have achieved clean.

The rapid progressing in muscle strength potentially puts you at risk for tendon, ligament & joint injuries as these haven't had a chance to adjust inline with the muscles.

AAS are not mandatory accessories like lifting gloves, belt & string vest.

I'm sorry for being a bitch, but I think this here is irresponsible use / abuse.
Clearly you ignored all the good info & advice you have been reading - I hope it doesn't burn you.

Based on that, why would you consider or even follow any additional advice offered here?

At admin & mods, maybe delete this thread - it sets a bad example and someone will find it and follow it.

joh joh :pinch: too much too fast bud, you need to give your body time to recover between cycles

What gets me is the 1.9m tall @ 74kg? With 15-18% bodyfat? You basicly skin and bones.

Even at 101kg at that height its a pretty average build.

Even though the cycle itself doesn't look bad i think at 75kg you could of just fixed your still broken diet instead of jumping on the juice.

Site injection is a myth. Steroids influence hormones, which guess what, doesn't sit in your biceps, but forms part of your whole central nervous system and endocrine system. You probably get a "pump" due to the area being inflamed due the injection and the oil depot. I would seriously start reconsidering where you get your info from.

The proviron is also ran too short. It frees up testosterone yes but in week 6 when testosterone is peaking you discontinue it and then start it in week 10 again when testosterone is on the down again.... So not sure what you expect to accomplish with that.

800mg deca a week, not using any anti prolactin? hows the nipples bro?

Do you have any before and after pics? This is really interesting.

Oupiel wrote: At admin & mods, maybe delete this thread - it sets a bad example and someone will find it and follow it.

No, we should keep this thread because the replies so far has been spot on and this is exactly the example I want us to set.

OK, in light of Admin's considered response, This is what I see wrong here:

Week 1 - 6 Dbols 90mg/day
Week 1 - 10 Deca 800mg/week
Week 1 - 12 Test 1050mg/week


All these doses are excessive, full stop!

Based on the short duration and what can only be short gaps between cycles I can only assume that your body probably didn't recover between cycles.
And after this Blitzkrieg raid, your body may not recover for a loooong time, if ever.

Just on the Dbols in this cycle, you're probably hammering your liver (no liver support mentioned, but I doubt it would mitigate the shelling its receiving)

Prior oral use that's not disclosed over this short period - Your liver is gonna pack up and leave you.

Going forward:

1. Reduce all doses to sane levels today!
2. Get some liver support going today!
3. Start the HCG now, hopefully there are still some testicles left to respond.
4. Get Ovidrel and then use that instead of HCG.
5. Run your cycle to conclusion and follow PCT 3.
6. Get counseling, you may have developed a psychological addiction.

Thanks for this Oupiel. Nice post.

Can I ask what a recommended daily dosage of dbols should be for first three weeks of a 15-week test/equi cycle? Sorry for the hijack.

Nate

To Quote Admin:

"Dosages for dianabol vary greatly, but it’s advisable to start between 30 and 50mg per day. Dosages of over 100mg per day have been reported, but this practice usually leads to a more profound incidence of side effects, and is generally discouraged"

To Quote Bill Roberts:

"The dosage range for Dianabol is typically 20-50 mg/day. Unlike most injectables, little further benefit occurs from going beyond this milligram amount. If wishing more effect, the answer is instead to add another anabolic steroid. My preference is for dosing to be 3-5 times per day, but some prefer to use it only once per day.
Typically, this usage is combined with about 500-1000 mg/week total of injected anabolic steroids."

Steroid.com:

In order to kick start a Dianabol cycle, usually what you do is incorporate a fast acting oral like Dianabol (or anadrol) and combine it with long acting injectables (such as Deca or Eq with some Testosterone). The reasoning here is that the oral (Dbol in this case) will give almost immediate results, while the injectable takes time to produce results. The end result is that you start seeing results within the first week of your cycle and continue up until the end with the injectables. This entails taking anywhere from 25-50mgs of dbol (although as little as 20mgs or as much as 100mgs have been reported) for 3-6 weeks at the start of a cycle (average time for a "Kick Start" is 4 weeks, though), and then ceasing their use as the injectables start to produce results.

T-Nation:

"Gold Medal "Recipes"

In the race for anabolic supremacy, research was ongoing throughout the world to develop the best method to utilize steroids. Russian research, based on rat studies, concluded that the most effective dose of Dianabol was .5mg per kilo of bodyweight. Thus Russian sprinters began using approximately 35 mg per day for prolonged periods. This led to the discovery of a new phenomenon called receptor downgrade. Eventually, the body rebels against a continuous over-stimulation of the receptor sites and begins to shut down some of them in an attempt to regain homeostasis (its normal state)."

Wow thank you for this reply Oupiel. I think I will take 30mg a day then for the first 4 weeks.

+1 for all the effort. Thank you.

Nate

Nate40 wrote: Thanks for this Oupiel. Nice post.

Can I ask what a recommended daily dosage of dbols should be for first three weeks of a 15-week test/equi cycle? Sorry for the hijack.

Nate

50 mg a day

Split 25/25

Nate40 wrote: Wow thank you for this reply Oupiel. I think I will take 30mg a day then for the first 4 weeks.

+1 for all the effort. Thank you.

Nate

30mg is too low IMO

Nate40 wrote: Wow thank you for this reply Oupiel. I think I will take 30mg a day then for the first 4 weeks.

+1 for all the effort. Thank you.Nate

No worries Nate, I can like to google like a ninja.

But Hudlim is right, 30mg might be OK, if you're 60 kgs of raging muscle & bone.
I'd look to go more.

But based on feel, you can ramp up quickly and adjust if needs be.

Thank you Hudlim,

50mg is still within Admin's recommended dosage so I will take that advice. Thank you.
50mg a day it is then - 25/25 split.

Shot,

Nate

I raced through this...

All I can say is those guys doing Anavar and dbol cycles only, although dumb, are in a better place than you dude.

Run PCT and do some blood tests.

This is not smart.

Steenkamp, no need to be a dick. At least the guy is here asking for guidance. Noone is a guru after a couple of months.

Steenkamp wrote: Steenkamp, no need to be a dick. At least the guy is here asking for guidance. Noone is a guru after a couple of months.

Who's being a dick?

Pyro edited my post, was a bit harsh

Hahahaha for a second I was going to try treat schizophrenia with anabolics.

No We all here to learn and we all make mistakes. So I'm hundred percent behind Alpha to help sort this out and get him on the right path

lol MM

true, i would suggest he lets this cycle run its course but lower the levels to something more reasonable then pct3 get your blood work done and post your results so we can do some damage control

boet you have to take some time and do some research on how compounds affect your body and learn more about the safe way of using them

once damage is done its hard to correct it, keep us up to date

I have to ask... Are we getting trolled here? :huh:

Alpha how far into your current cycle are you?
And who is advising you? That person needs a serious klap. They playing with your body, your endocrine system, your fertility and have the tenacity to still tell you to increase sustanon dosage?

Nooooo Bro. Not cool.

Everytime I try and read your cycle I cringe... Are you having any adverse effects?

Let me give an example. If you drop the prop and pin sustanon twice a week your blood levels will be all over the place and you're going to have a bad time

He's 7 weeks in on this one.
He has clearly been reading a fair bit too, site injections, proviron & SHBG not AI, etc.

I think the idea to up the sust is based on other discussions suggesting Sust is best used EoD to maintain consistent blood levels. (but in this context, it seems excessive)

Also tapering the test prop dose will do nothing:
Tapering is an outdated concept
and
after this lot, esp. deca doses, nothing is gonna be "cumming" back on its own.

Also, I think a lot of people don't think fertility, they just think test recovery & a working Dick.
I know I do (Had the snip) but as Oupa pointed out, 19 nor & under 35, fertility is a real concern.

Honestly, I think his entire outlook and approach is misguided.

8 months of training - you know very little about the realities of it, never-mind how your body responds.
Nutrition - takes time to learn, longer to apply & longer still to see how you actually respond.
Then hedging / calling all pockets and marinading in gear to cover the gaps....

As I said, clearly has read a lot, but clearly has either totally misunderstood or gone JDI, screw the icebergs, full steam ahead!!.

At 7 weeks in my vote is abandon the cycle.

Perhaps pin prop EOD at 100-150mg for the next 54 days to allow Sustanon to clear and then commence Doctaris PCT.
Start HCG now.

800mg deca a week, not using any anti prolactin? hows the nipples bro?

Do you have any before and after pics? This is really interesting.[/quote]

thanks for your reply ill up load before and after photos now


the gear i run is a knock of if been taken for a fool its highly under dosed, there is no nipple problems but i am getting worried coz the more i read the more i see i have been mis lead and i just want to do things right so no offense taken at lest people are taking the time to correct me an help me instead of just trying to make money out of me