Sappies First Cycle + Cycle log

Will it still be safe or is the risk of infection too great?

What would you guys have done haha?

sappies wrote: Will it still be safe or is the risk of infection too great?

What would you guys have done haha?

Lock 'n load in separate syringes. Use the screw on types, keep them capped, store them so they can't be accidentally plunged.

Get a vitamin b12 or similar and empty vial and squirt remaining oil in it for storage.

Sup bro

How's the cycle going? Keen for an update.

Wizzard

Hey Guys

Ok so here's a quick update

Cycle going strong so far.
I can now start seeing improvement and I'm getting complements from people.

Weight is still roughly the same but I can see a reduction in bodyfat. Veins are starting to appear on my abs again and most of my clother are sitting tighter.

Also my skin has improved a lot with the use of the Tetralysal and I'm glad about it.

I'm going to start increasing my calorie intake because my hunger gets uncontrollable even though I'm eating a lot all ready. I'll also switch to more red meat instead of chicken.

Just a question...
Is it better to run hcg during my cycle or during the pct. In the beginners bulking cycle the hcg is in the pct but I've read a bit and it seems better to add it on cycle because it makes your pct and recovery a lot easier

I'm also noticing a slight decrease in my libido but that's normal on exogenous testosterone I assume.

Any advice or comments are welcome

Also for those interested in a strength update:

The strength gains so far are nothing major but I've added a few reps to my PB's.

Training endurance is up and I can just keep going and going.

I'll do a few 1RM on my compound lifts over the next few weeks and keep you guys posted.

My compound lifts(squat,bench,deadlift) will be performed raw/unequipped and no spotter of any sort.

sappies wrote: Is it better to run hcg during my cycle or during the pct. In the beginners bulking cycle the hcg is in the pct but I've read a bit and it seems better to add it on cycle because it makes your pct and recovery a lot easier

I'm also noticing a slight decrease in my libido but that's normal on exogenous testosterone I assume.

I would run the HCG through the cycle rather than in the PCT so that, as you say, you will recover easier.

And no, on exogenous testosterone your libido should be through the roof. It doesn't happen for everyone but a huge percentage of people on test will have their libido skyrocket. You should be having sex with anything that moves at your age - adding testosterone at your age should be like adding gasoline to an already burning fire.

Haha that's why I find it weird. I'm horny all the time but the libido is a bit down. I think I'm not getting enough fat in my diet so I'll up the avo's and switch to red meats and see if it makes a difference.

Any suggestions for a HCG protocol on cycle?

Search the PCT section of the forum bud. HCG has been discussed many times. 500iu a week split into two doses from week 5 until a few days before PCT. It's said to assist prime your body for recovery by getting natural test production going as I understand it.. Keep an AI on hand.

Ok so running HCG from next week and pinning 500iu per week(250iu Monday,250iu Thursday) till a few days before start of pct will be perfect?

Yup. What days do you pin your test? The info I've read on TRT generally recommend spacing test and HCG equally around eachother. My schedule is to pin every 2 days. First test, then hcg, then test, etc. Not sure how much of a difference this equal spacing makes in keeping hormone levels stable but the idea of it gives me peace of mind.

Thanks IronKobra

I pin my test in mondays and thursdays so hcg on tuesdays and fridays will be perfect then?
Also does it really make a difference if I inject them on the same day or is spacing more optimal?

Also a an update in on the cycle
Can really start seeing a difference now and I'm currently sitting at 100.4kg measured first thing in the morning
Strength is also going up and I ended up chest pressing 60kg dumbells a side for 5 reps on my own. Before my cycle I could only manage a few reps with 55kg a side.

sappies wrote:

Can really start seeing a difference now and I'm currently sitting at 100.4kg measured first thing in the morning
Strength is also going up and I ended up chest pressing 60kg dumbells a side for 5 reps on my own. Before my cycle I could only manage a few reps with 55kg a side.

You're not a small 19yr old lol

Haha slowly getting there

Ok so I started with HCG today, is it necessary to run a anti-estrogen with it or only when estrogenic sides start to appear?

sappies wrote: Strength is also going up and I ended up chest pressing 60kg dumbells a side for 5 reps on my own. Before my cycle I could only manage a few reps with 55kg a side.

That's power man! Impressive.

sappies wrote:
Ok so I started with HCG today, is it necessary to run a anti-estrogen with it or only when estrogenic sides start to appear?

You're still pinning test and HCG will kickstart your natural test production so it could add to the possibility of estrogen sides. Stick with your AI routine. I take letrozole EOD regardless of signs of gyno. I'd rather control the estrogen side of things before there's a problem than have to start putting out fires. Just my view.

Iron K.

Hey guys

Thanks for the input @IronKobra
The HCG is really working well so far so I'm happy about that.

I am starting to notice a bit of facial bloating and it's a bit irritating especially when I look at older photos.

Do you guys recommend using Letrozole @ 2drops every 3 days just to keep estrogen in check especially with HCG in the mix.

What IronKobra said sounds logical to me.

Also went for interest sake to check my Blood pressure,Cholesterol and Glucose levels.

Blood pressure: 120/73mmHg
Total Cholesterol: 2.75mmol/l
Glucose levels: 3.6mmol/l

Will post a few measurements and strength stats later today
Stay tuned

Ok guys here's a progress update

My strength is really picking up and every week I get a new PB of some sort.

I tried benching 140kg yesterday with a pause but just couldn't lock it out at the end but it was a close one and I will see if I can get it next time.

Did back today and decided to see where my deadlifts are at currently and I got a double with 240kg and attempted 250kg but same story with bench, just could not lock out at the end.

I have not been squatting too heavy I'm mainly focussing on reps but I'm doing 160kg ass to the grass like a warmup these days

I'll post a few measurement updates tomorrow but the most gains I can see by far is in my shoulders, most of the people I see will complement my shoulder developement and my legs have also gained nice size and a bit of shredz

Chest is still frustrating and it gets stronger but it lacks against my other body parts in terms of size.

Weight is still hovering around 100kg and I keep increasing calories especially carbs in order to gain some more.

I'll keep you guys posted

Howzit guys

Here's another update on the cycle.
The past few weeks have been power and I'm sitting at 102kg now and I need to revamp my whole wardrobe. I feel that the weight does not reflect the size I have gained and the strength is beyond my wildest imagination.

Especially in my chest, I've always been weak in my chest compared to my other bodyparts but on Monday I did 140kg for a double and almost got the 150kg.

My skin is looking the best it has looked this year so the tetralysal works wonders.

Ok guys I need some input here:

I decided to extend my cycle to 12 weeks and instead of bridging with winstrol I am opting to bridge with clen. I feel that clen will provide more benefits in terms of cutting away the fat and emphasizing the new muscle I've added to my frame.

I've used clen with great success in the past and it coupled with steady pace cardio and a good diet is a winning combination.

I'm looking to do the sample clen cycle on the forum starting at 40mcg's and then steadily dosing up and taking 2 caps of betasleep every night.

Any advice or recommendations?
Is the clen a wise choice or should I stick with the winnies?

Thanks in advance guys

Or is it possible to run Clen + Winstrol?

Clen is not a anabolic steroid, it's a fat burner. Run Winny and Clen, no harm.