Psy's First Cycle

You are tired as hell and not in the least 'lus' for this, and you still pushed through a back workout with deadlifts. +1 For being a champion.

Pyroclasm wrote: Just watch your lower back when doing stiff legged deadlifts as it will FUDGE up your back! Do them with a tight belt and if you feel any strain on your lower back then go lighter. In any case the point is not to go heavy but rather to stretch and squeeze the muscle.

Ah shot thanks for the add bro, yeah stiff-leg diddy is not an ego lift.

PsyClown wrote: I have had one person whom I hadn't seen in a while, he saw me and I could tell he noticed I had put on weight and gotten bigger which he did not like. He did not say anything though but I couldn't care much for his opinion.

Not everyone wants you to win. This guy is a hater.

PsyClown wrote: Pinned HCG for the first time today, wasn't soo bad except the insulin syringes I got from Dischem seems pretty shitty? The needles are kinda flimsy and it feels as if they flex when trying to get it into the self-healing injection port. Not to mention they do not seem to pierce the skin as easily as the larger ones.
Are most insulin syringes like this, or did I just get really crappy ones?

Yeah sounds about right. That's life brah.

PsyClown wrote: Had to drop weight on my deadlifts otherwise I was going to hurt myself. I am hating the close grip pull downs as I get such a bad forearm pump from doing it.

Sorry mate almost hurt yourself how ? Where you feeling light headed after the rough day? Regarding the pumps, when I did T-bol I had to scale down pre-workout because I ended every Back+Bi workout in pain because of forearm pumps. So I reckon it's common. For the narrow pulldowns, do you use neutral grip?


Psy it sounds like this cycle added value to your life, not to sound superficial, but I mean they way you say how your mood feels and your posture and the compliments. Good for you mate.

Furk wrote:

PsyClown wrote: Had to drop weight on my deadlifts otherwise I was going to hurt myself. I am hating the close grip pull downs as I get such a bad forearm pump from doing it.

Sorry mate almost hurt yourself how ? Where you feeling light headed after the rough day? Regarding the pumps, when I did T-bol I had to scale down pre-workout because I ended every Back+Bi workout in pain because of forearm pumps. So I reckon it's common. For the narrow pulldowns, do you use neutral grip?


Psy it sounds like this cycle added value to your life, not to sound superficial, but I mean they way you say how your mood feels and your posture and the compliments. Good for you mate.

Felt as if I was just going to be pushing myself too much, probably screw up my form and with deadlifts form is something I do not want to compromise on. I have no desire to round my back while doing deads That will probably hurt like a biatch. I would actually like to try get a lifting / weight belt however I think I am going to struggle to find one which fits me as my hips are a size 28 and my waist is smaller than my hips. Ironically since this cycle I now have to wear a size 30 as my quads are too large. Not a bad problem to have I guess.

At times after doing a set I will feel a bit light headed, with the heavy lifts only though. So squats, deadlifts, leg press and hack squats - I am assuming this is either due to blood pressure and/or breathing? I am not too worried about that though.

In terms of close grip pull downs. I started out using the V-bar so the grip was then neutral grip if I understand what neutral grip is (basically where your palms are facing each other?). Yesterday I tried with the straight bar and with pronated grip and still got extremely pumped forearms. My gym partner does not have this problem, grr. It feels as if the pump is preventing me from performing this exercise as best as possible.

Furk, I am actually really enjoying this cycle! I love the way my body is changing and that makes me feel good. My confidence seems to have improved as well and yeah, my posture I think has changed for the better... Whether the posture change is due to a change in confidence, stronger muscles or me just being more alert about it and trying to change it I cannot say.

Sometimes the rise in blood pressure caused by the actual lift itself can make you feel light headed. I sometimes almost black-out after squats and my BP is fine.

So day 45. All is going well! Hit a new PR with deadlifts, however was unable to do it for reps.
Managed 130KG for 1 rep, then 125KG for 1 rep. This was after a set of 5x100KG and then another set of 4x120KG (which was my previous PR and double my BW). So I have officially deadlifted more than twice my bodyweight! :woohoo:

So I have a month left on the test, I have noticed that I have picked up a bit of extra fat which was expected considering my weight, size and caloric intake.
So what I am thinking - perhaps you can advise whether it would be alright or whether it is me being stupid - is to run some test for another month (so from the end of Feb to the end of March) instead of starting my bridge and use that extra month to do a cut of sorts, I understand it is a shot cut but I feel as if I could still benefit from a 4 week cut.
Then I will continue with the bridge and PCT as normal at the end of March. I will continue to run HCG as well as normal.

I understand that more time on = more time off and it is not ideal to run a super long cycle as a first cycle. I will basically be extending my test usage from 11 weeks to 15 weeks.

Bridge with Winstrol and proviron and PCT will be completed with Clomid and Nolva as I am running HCG during my cycle.

Opinions?

Good lifts for your size Psy.
Impressed keep it up and good luck.

Maybe just clean up your diet a bit?

Anyone else?

Psy I would do the cyp for 12 weeks then test prop for 3 weeks in the brige with the winstrol as you had planned.

lobo wrote: Psy I would do the cyp for 12 weeks then test prop for 3 weeks in the brige with the winstrol as you had planned.

That does sound good actually now that you mention it however, I won't lie - I am scared of the pain from prop.
Reading that people feel like they are getting the flu and pain soo bad that they struggle to walk and move their leg etc. I would be open to try it, at least once.
I would get PGW Prop which I have heard is better than most other brands?

Did a bit of a Google now quickly and seems as if Test Suspension would be worse and there isn't really anything else similar to prop which I could find?

Also one would pin prop EOD, correct?

I don't feel any difference between injecting pgw cyp and prop using at different brands prop at the moment same thing no pain. 100 or 150mg eod or even e2d been a bridge will be fine up to you.

Post some pics if you feel up to it when you done interested to see your results from the cycle.

lobo wrote: I don't feel any difference between injecting pgw cyp and prop using at different brands prop at the moment same thing no pain. 100 or 150mg eod or even e2d been a bridge will be fine up to you.

Post some pics if you feel up to it when you done interested to see your results from the cycle.

Thanks. I think 100mg (so 1ml )E2D for my bridge should be sufficient? I will still have some cyp in my body which will slowly be decreasing. I will then run Anavar at 20mg per day - should still get results from the 20mg I reckon?

I can then do a cut during my bridge - 100mg E2D will be enough to help me keep my muscle?
Once I start with PCT then up to maintenance / slightly above maintenance. How does that sound?


I will post pictures towards the end for sure, I took some pictures the day before I started my cycle as well. So will post those too.
I even have a picture of me from 1.5 years ago wearing a certain t-shirt and one taken earlier this month wearing the same shirt. MASSIVE difference.

Hey man, can't argue with Lobo's prop suggestion. If you know your body maybe adjust diet, for me it would be straight drop carbs but some people don't have to. GW would've been awesome for this.

Prop 100mg EOD should be fine for you, but I don't think 150 would be overkill.
Var 60mg at least at your weight, 80mg sweet spot, 100mg useless overkill.
Lobo mentioned Winstrol, did he perhaps make a typo? No need to run both orals parallel.

One thing I must add, since you are finishing with a cut, you will have a definite peak. Meaning at one stage (perhaps the end) your body will look at it's best. As opposed to a straight bulk, where after the cycle you may just loose some muscle mass over time, not concerned with the cuts. Hope that makes sense?

I would love to get my hands on some GW!!

So 100ml EOD, you don't think E2D will suffice? Sorry, I made a typo, I meant winstrol not Anavar.

I think I get what you are saying. With ending the cycle with a cut there will be a point where I look biggest? After that I will most likely just get smaller and more cut, where if I were to continue to bulk then I will lose a bit of mass as time goes on and the water leaves my system?

GW: RIP If I ever spend time in the States I'm stocking up.
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Winny: Ok makes sense, still think 20mg might be low dose. Winstrol's dosage curve is pretty harsh I get it, but maybe 30mg will be ok? Was there a reason for keeping it so low or did your planning and purchasing dictate the dose?
Pinning prop: EOD = E2D = alternating days = one day on, one day off. When I cycled I moved to 150mg E3D for comforts sake (PIP).


Bulk cycle: You come off, then during PCT and after you need to keep cals high to keep gains and strength as much as possible. Failing to do so will leave you shrinking faster.

Cut cycle: When you peak you are in your best condition, and to get their you probably did some calories cutting and drugs. You have a bit of size, but also low BF%, to maintain size you need to eat enough calories, to stay looking sharp, you need to eat at maintenance of your new, lower weight. So if you chronically cut after a cycle, it's highly likely that your muscle gains will take a knock. This is why steroid cycling is inherently difficult, because of what you need to do afterwards.

Furk wrote: GW: RIP If I ever spend time in the States I'm stocking up.
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Winny: Ok makes sense, still think 20mg might be low dose. Winstrol's dosage curve is pretty harsh I get it, but maybe 30mg will be ok? Was there a reason for keeping it so low or did your planning and purchasing dictate the dose?
Pinning prop: EOD = E2D = alternating days = one day on, one day off. When I cycled I moved to 150mg E3D for comforts sake (PIP).


Bulk cycle: You come off, then during PCT and after you need to keep cals high to keep gains and strength as much as possible. Failing to do so will leave you shrinking faster.

Cut cycle: When you peak you are in your best condition, and to get their you probably did some calories cutting and drugs. You have a bit of size, but also low BF%, to maintain size you need to eat enough calories, to stay looking sharp, you need to eat at maintenance of your new, lower weight. So if you chronically cut after a cycle, it's highly likely that your muscle gains will take a knock. This is why steroid cycling is inherently difficult, because of what you need to do afterwards.

Oh, I was thinking 100mg E3D then. That won't cut it unless I up the dose to 150mg E3D?
I can bump winstrol up to 30mg per day then, won't be a problem.

I see what you are getting at, that is one of the reasons I asked as well. I have never done this before so not sure how much size and strength I will lose during the PCT stage and I am really liking the size I have put on - add a bit of definition and I will be very happy. I do not want all of my bulking and training and strength gains to go to waste and down the drain.

I was hoping and thinking that I will bulk during the cycle as normal. Then with the prop added in during my bridge I will cut and that the prop (and winstrol to a point, although probably used more for the hard & vascular look in this case) will help me maintain my strength while I drop some BF.
Then once I stop the winny and prop I will adjust my calories to slightly above my new maintenance (hoping to drop some water so that it is easier to see what my actual maintenance should be).


If it is not going to work that well, then let me rather leave it and just continue to bulk and try maintain as much of my gains during and after PCT and continue for say 3 months or so before considering a cut while in a natural state?



BTW GW isn't cheap if you are earning Rands. What was the price like locally (I hope we can speak about it, as I do not think it is illegal?)

Furk wrote: GW: RIP If I ever spend time in the States I'm stocking up.
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Breaking rule 2.3

3 day ban

PsyCLown wrote: BTW GW isn't cheap if you are earning Rands. What was the price like locally (I hope we can speak about it, as I do not think it is illegal?)

GW is illegal, so no discussing of prices. Rule 2.4

admin wrote:

PsyCLown wrote: BTW GW isn't cheap if you are earning Rands. What was the price like locally (I hope we can speak about it, as I do not think it is illegal?)

GW is illegal, so no discussing of prices. Rule 2.4

Sorry, apologies for that.


How many days before PCT do I need to have my last prop injection if I do 150mg E3D?

PsyCLown wrote:

How many days before PCT do I need to have my last prop injection if I do 150mg E3D?

350+ posts and 10 karma & then you ask this type of question :dry:

Looking fcking good Oupa, after I am done massing up to 140kg, gonna lean down and take you down.
I see you as competition. +1

Sorry for hi jack

Oupa wrote:

PsyCLown wrote:

How many days before PCT do I need to have my last prop injection if I do 150mg E3D?

350+ posts and 10 karma & then you ask this type of question :dry:

Sorry, just wanted to be 100% sure. I know we have the info post here: anabolicsteroids.co.za/articles/informat...9-post-cycle-therapy
14 days after last pin before starting PCT - that is correct?


P.S. You really do look fantastic. Perhaps one day I will be as big and lean as you

14 days yes.

PS - thx

Hi PSY.
Got some good news for you and got the go ahead to post this up.

Liquid Pharmaceuticals emailed me this morning. They are making a batch of GW it will be ready in +-4weeks time to test demand if it sells good they are going to bring it back and bring in some SARMS
I will be supporting them for both.
Don't know about you guys

Rooi Bul 86 wrote: Hi PSY.
Got some good news for you and got the go ahead to post this up.

Liquid Pharmaceuticals emailed me this morning. They are making a batch of GW it will be ready in +-4weeks time to test demand if it sells good they are going to bring it back and bring in some SARMS
I will be supporting them for both.
Don't know about you guys

OMFG I am excited!!!

4 weeks my cycle will be in the bridge stage, although GW would still be beneficial if you are not cycling.
I would love to run some during my bridge even if I can get in time! :woohoo: :woohoo:

I am also excited bud
Let's spread the word buy up the batch let them bring it back and SARMS happy PCT and anabolic waiting time between cycles without negative sides or suppressed HPTA