Test combo450,deca 100 fastand Winstrol injectable

Hi all I'm new to this forum and forgive me if this has been discussed earlier,the past year I have started my first cycles.my last cycle was 1ml ciccone test combo 450 and 1ml deca 300,worked real well gained about 9kg pure muscle mass after my pct..I'm thinking of dosing 600mg test combo 450 and 200mg deca 100 fast actingper week for 10weeks next year,I'm trying to build mass but I'm thinking of also throwing in 200mg Winstrol since I will be athletically active.my question is whether the Winstrol will give me the edge that I need and is there something better in sense of athletic advantage

Ok first off 200mg of deca short acting (npp) is rather low
You should rather do this

Week1-4 tbol (won't really need just an option )
Week 1-10 test 600mg
Week 1-8 deca short acting 300-350mg
Bridge with winstrol and proviron 40mg each

The dosages you want to use are too low you will throw away gains. Look at what Lex suggests for a better guideline.

Thanks for the tips,I'm fairly new to the scene buy will learn as I go along.another question I have is what is better in terms of gains and strength deca 300 long lasting or deca 100 short?

If you are looking for athletic advantage why Decca? You will be carrying extra bulk and water with Test and Decca.

I want the strength and size but also be able to be athletically fit and not run around like a steam train,I will also be using proviron or arimidex to manage the water and sides that come with test and deca..my body info is :
Age:20
Height:1.94m
Weight:104
Quite large built big shoulders

Age:20

Enough said.

What's your body fat ?
Did u get your body fat tested ?
20 is a lil young and you need more knowledge dude..you've already done a cycle so cant really say hey stick to being natty don't take stuff... But anyway it all comes down to diet If ur diet is on point then the Npp( deca short acting )and test would work really well..you should also get some prolactin control. Arimidex is good to have on hand Maybe add in the tbol if you want a lil boost but not needed. Short acting deca does not really affect your fitness it also depends how your body reacts to the drug. Eg increased blood pressure. Now that would put a damper on your fitness level. But Ja just keep to good eating that's key

I'm not sure about my body fat % ..I would assume about around 20%.i have a diet set in place for the year ahead,high protein low carb aiming for about 350gr of protein a day.another query I have is What would be more affective for strength and mass:300mg deca fast acting or 300mg deca long acting?i understand I am inexperienced but I would rather consult experienced users and gain knowledge on this interesting topic than risk real damage to my body(I do understand the risk already associated with steroids)

Thanks for the help

If I am correct you started this year with your first cycle,yes? Did you do another cycle after that? And how did you do your PCT after each cycle?

300mg of short acting deca...if u wanna do long acting deca I would say 400mg is just fine I use around 400mg of long acting and get great results but on the other hand I use 350mg of short acting

Wait dude..if you are like 20% then no don't use deca...get down to 14% minimum then run deca..
But if u are bent on a cycle why not a simple test E 750mg and Clen and tbol cycle to drop the body fat and put on some good quality lean muscle

My first cycle I started in March,it was an oral cycle of anavar and winstrol, my second cycle in June was tbol for 1 month,I saw good results from both these cycles in their own respect but in my poor knowledge I didn't use a pct for any of those cycles.my last cycle of test combo 450 and deca 300 1ml each once a week for 10 weeks,I saw great results and was especially surprised with the test in strength gains as well as mass,at least 3/4 more strength by week 5-6.after 2 weeks I started my pct included 50mg clomid for 20 days,Nolvadex,and pregnyl 5000IU every Sunday for 3 weeks

Lex wrote: Wait dude..if you are like 20% then no don't use deca...get down to 14% minimum then run deca..
But if u are bent on a cycle why not a simple test E 750mg and Clen and tbol cycle to drop the body fat and put on some good quality lean muscle

Isn't 750mg of test quite a bit to run for a beginner cycle? I am only running 500mg of test cyp - or would you want to increase the amount of test when cutting to try keep as much muscle as possible?


@Jono, when did your last cycle end? How much time off have you had since your last cycle?

I was recommended 1ml of test and 1ml deca at the time and so I went with it,I am very happy with the way the cycle worked out and I feel quite confident to see what a higher dose will give me this year..I would definitely recommend Arimidex or similar with the test combo 450 within 2 weeks I already started noticing gyno problems but everyone is different.i Had my last injection on the 8th of November and will begin around the 10th of jan..another question pops to mind,would it better to taper my cycle? Eg:

Week1-2: 1ml test and 1.5ml deca
Week 2-8: 1.4ml test and 3ml deca
Week 8-10;1ml test and 1.5ml deca

Would a cycle like that be healthier or is it just a waste of time and I should go for the full dose right thru

No dude :blink: that cycle isn't healthier at all..it's a waste of time
Rather stick to a simple 2ml test and 1ml deca if that's what u happy with

Psyclown the reason I said 750mg is because of his weight and considering he has used deca already I don't consider him to start of as a "beginner " and Ja because of cutting
But maybe I was being a lil outrageous
So maybe 600mg of test is ok.
But personally I would still stick to 750

So from what I gather from everyone's input this is what I'm looking at using for my cycle

Cycle:10 weeks,

Week1-4: turinabol 2x a day(morning and night)

Week1-10:test combo 450,2x a week(300mg per injection on Monday and Thursday)1.4ml each injection

Week1-10:deca 100 fast,2x a week(150mg per injection on Monday and Thursday with test)1.5ml each injection

Week1-10:winstrol depot,2x a week(50mg per injection on Monday and Thursday with test and deca)1ml each injection

Every 2 weeks 1x pregnyl

Arimidex
_______________

PCT:1 month

Nolvadex,1tab everyday 30 days

Pregnyl 5000IU once a week on the same day for 3 weeks

Clomid 50mg,1tab everyday 20 days

If you guys have any tips or pointers concerning this,your input would be highy appreciated

No no no the week 1-10 winstrol thing is all wrong bro.. U can pine winstrol twice a week and u shouldn't use it from the beginning anyway u should use it on a bridge as I've mentioned and rather use the tabs

Thanks for the help.i know this has already been discussed in the pct section but I don't know if I read it too fast or there are too many different opinions but I can't seem to wrap my head around it.considering my cycle how and when would I use pregny in my pct?would Iy be better to use it during the cycle and in what doses and frequency?
So questions summarized:
1-how many weeks should I start my pct after my last test 450 and deca injection?
2-how often and at what dosage would I inject in my pct?
3-would it be beneficial to use pregnyl during my cycle?
4-if so then at what dose and frequency

In my last pct I injected 5000iu Avery Sunday for 3 weeks,I used a full ampule as I saw on a video on how to inject pregnyl and it seemed to work,from what I see in the pct section under hcg it seems like 250iu and doses of that?
I Would really appreciate any helpful input so I don't mess up my Pct

Jono77 wrote: Thanks for the help.i know this has already been discussed in the pct section but I don't know if I read it too fast or there are too many different opinions but I can't seem to wrap my head around it.considering my cycle how and when would I use pregny in my pct?would Iy be better to use it during the cycle and in what doses and frequency?
So questions summarized:
1-how many weeks should I start my pct after my last test 450 and deca injection?
2-how often and at what dosage would I inject in my pct?
3-would it be beneficial to use pregnyl during my cycle?
4-if so then at what dose and frequency

In my last pct I injected 5000iu Avery Sunday for 3 weeks,I used a full ampule as I saw on a video on how to inject pregnyl and it seemed to work,from what I see in the pct section under hcg it seems like 250iu and doses of that?
I Would really appreciate any helpful input so I don't mess up my Pct

There are many things wrong with what you said here IMHO.

Firstly, you should know that there is NOTHING good in taking AAS at your age. You are playing with your health and it WILL get the better of you at a later stage. But I am no doctor and I don't know you.

Secondly, as you're going to shoot anyway, I would suggest you read the entire article on this forum under "Steroid Cycle Basics" as well as PCT. They are really packed with info and you could learn a lot.

In order to put together a proper PCT and determine the timing for start, you need to understand half-life of AAS so that you may learn what the waiting period is for each ester. Once you know this, you will have the answers to your questions.

All the info is available on the forum and if you still don't understand, come back here.

Cheers!

+1 For that Clen.

Ok so I've started my cycle now,will be pinning on Mondays and Thursday's to keep levels stable,frontloading with 40mg tbol from now on(thanks oupa) for 3 weeks.

600mg test combo 450
300mg deca npp
Will bridge with winstrol(thanks lex)

Current stats:
Weight:98kg
Height:1.94
Bf:18%

I will start cycling clen and yohimbine in week 4-10 to shed some bf and then again in my pct

Will post progress in 2 weeks again

Okay guys, I'm a little less than 2 weeks in and so far I've gained a little over 2kg muscle,diet is on point and strength building quite well.would it be possible for me to lose bf while still gaining size?..I want to start getting rid of excess weight soon or should I just wait with the clen and yohimbine until my 4 week mark?

Thanks