Intermediate Test and Deca cycle

Hi guys

I’m currently planning , my 3rd cycle in the last 4 years and planning on running the following: My goal is to put on some size.

Wk 1-12 Test Cypionate 600 mg per wk
Wk 1-10 Deca 350mg per wk
Wk 1-4 Tbol 40mg per wk
Wk 3 -10 HCG 500iu per wk
Wk 1-12 Arimidex 0.5mg every 2/3 days
Wk1-10 Dostinex – 0.5mg every 5 days

Bridge
Wk 13 - 17 30mg Winstrol
Wk 13 – 17 60mg Var


PCT 3 to start 36 days after last shot of Test Cypionate.

On my last cycle I got prolactin sides (weak erection) 6 wks into my Tren and Test. Thanks to Oupa and MA I managed to clear it with 4mg of cabaser split every 3 days.
For this reason I need to run the cabaser at 0.5 mg, preferably every 5 days. My problem on the cabaser was that it suppressed my appetite and gave me weird cravings, in fact I couldn’t wait to stop using it.

Please let me have your comments

Stats:
15% BF
72kg
Height 165cm

I hope I didn't miss anything.

Possibly swop out Adex with aromasin. Makes life easier. (alot)

I would start the cabaser week 4 with Deca, NPP different story.

Your pct with that cycle use 14 days clomid @ 50mg ED & Nolvadex 20mg ED after that 30 days.

You bridge is rough, are you competing?

Dearest oupa

As usual thanks for the advice.

If I swop adex with aromasin what dose of aromasin will I use? How will it make life easier?
Noted to only start using cabaser in week 4.
No I am not competing. Should I drop the Var? I have about 150 tabs of Var from my last cycle that I want to use up.

Hi hard style

Just completing a very similar cycle. Loving it. I'm not prolactin prone, so Dostinex did more harm than good for me.
I'm using hcg and Adex till start of pct. and var/prop as bridge. Pct 14 days after last prop shot

Ben

Glad to hear you loving your cycle.
There are 36 days between last shot of test cyp and pct. How are you squeezing in the prop? Are you running it from before the bridge begins?

Prop is excellent and I would possibly like to include it somewher in my cycle.

If you take your first shot of prop 3 days after your last cyp pin. (3 days)
Run 10ml prop EOD (20 days)
Waiting period for prop is 14.5 days (14 days)
3+20+14=37 days.

That's 37 days from your last cyp pin and works out perfect

Cool

But is it worth it to run prop for only 20 days?

You will also have the cyp in your system.
It's good to keep your body in a anabolic state during the bridge.
I could feel more hardness immediately after starting the prop.

Ran my var 6 weeks from start of pct.
oupa advised that var needs to be run a lil longer in order for it to be worth it

Hardstyle wrote: Dearest oupa

As usual thanks for the advice.

If I swop adex with aromasin what dose of aromasin will I use? How will it make life easier?
Noted to only start using cabaser in week 4.
No I am not competing. Should I drop the Var? I have about 150 tabs of Var from my last cycle that I want to use up.

20mg aromasin EOD. 150 tablets @ 20mg per tablet??

Sorry for the late response guys.

@Oupa the Var I have is 150 tabs 10mg.
20mg aromasin works out to be more expensive then arimidex?

Yes it is, but 30 capsules will last you 60 days

Quick update.

On Monday I had my first shot of deca 350mg and test cyp 250mg followed by another shot of test cyp 250mg on Wednesday. I must say I have been feeling a little down with a lack of interest since my first shot. Is this the deca or too soon? Nd will this get better because I seem to have no drive whatsoever.

Hardstyle wrote: Quick update.

On Monday I had my first shot of deca 350mg and test cyp 250mg followed by another shot of test cyp 250mg on Wednesday. I must say I have been feeling a little down with a lack of interest since my first shot. Is this the deca or too soon? Nd will this get better because I seem to have no drive whatsoever.

Also felt like shit in my first week of deca and test. Emotional, depressed, moody, snapping at people. All settled in the second week.
You still in first week. Your drive will not be affected till week 3/4. For me it was week 5.

What's your planned weekly doses? And pinning days?

BEN3 wrote:

Hardstyle wrote: Quick update.

On Monday I had my first shot of deca 350mg and test cyp 250mg followed by another shot of test cyp 250mg on Wednesday. I must say I have been feeling a little down with a lack of interest since my first shot. Is this the deca or too soon? Nd will this get better because I seem to have no drive whatsoever.

Also felt like shit in my first week of deca and test. Emotional, depressed, moody, snapping at people. All settled in the second week.
You still in first week. Your drive will not be affected till week 3/4. For me it was week 5.

What's your planned weekly doses? And pinning days?

I'm doing Monday 250ml test 350 deca. Wednesday 250ml test. I'm considering bumping up the test to 750mg per week.

Very weird planning.

Bump deca up to around 400mg a week. If you using 350mg/1ml.
Use 0.6ml on mon and Thursday. That will be 420mg a week.

Test needs to be higher than deca. If you did 750mg of test weekly before. Then it should be fine. Or you can drop it abit.
You 72kg. So you also don't want to go to high. Spilt our test like the deca, mon and Thursday. And pin along with deca.

BEN3 wrote: Very weird planning.

Bump deca up to around 400mg a week. If you using 350mg/1ml.
Use 0.6ml on mon and Thursday. That will be 420mg a week.

Test needs to be higher than deca. If you did 750mg of test weekly before. Then it should be fine. Or you can drop it abit.
You 72kg. So you also don't want to go to high. Spilt our test like the deca, mon and Thursday. And pin along with deca.

Think you misread mate. Test is 2x250mg pw and deca 350mg pw. He'd only need to go higher on the test than before if it was a test only cycle - this is a sensible increase, equal to around 1g of test pw. Maybe do the second pin on Thursday, but otherwise I don't see an issue, or any reason to squint at the little ticks on a syringe

Eidolon wrote:

BEN3 wrote: Very weird planning.

Bump deca up to around 400mg a week. If you using 350mg/1ml.
Use 0.6ml on mon and Thursday. That will be 420mg a week.

Test needs to be higher than deca. If you did 750mg of test weekly before. Then it should be fine. Or you can drop it abit.
You 72kg. So you also don't want to go to high. Spilt our test like the deca, mon and Thursday. And pin along with deca.

Think you misread mate. Test is 2x250mg pw and deca 350mg pw. He'd only need to go higher on the test than before if it was a test only cycle - this is a sensible increase, equal to around 1g of test pw. Maybe do the second pin on Thursday, but otherwise I don't see an issue, or any reason to squint at the little ticks on a syringe

Hi Eidolan

On most of the sites. Recommended dosage for deca is min 400mg. And a lot of guys swear by (me being 1) that test be double the deca dose. To overcome the effects of deca.
Yes u can run the test lower, but if you experience sexual sides half way through your cycle. Most guys will tell u to up the test dose.


Will it not be better to split the deca dose. Mon/Thursday, to maintain a more stable blood level?

BEN3 wrote:

Eidolon wrote:

BEN3 wrote: Very weird planning.

Bump deca up to around 400mg a week. If you using 350mg/1ml.
Use 0.6ml on mon and Thursday. That will be 420mg a week.

Test needs to be higher than deca. If you did 750mg of test weekly before. Then it should be fine. Or you can drop it abit.
You 72kg. So you also don't want to go to high. Spilt our test like the deca, mon and Thursday. And pin along with deca.

Think you misread mate. Test is 2x250mg pw and deca 350mg pw. He'd only need to go higher on the test than before if it was a test only cycle - this is a sensible increase, equal to around 1g of test pw. Maybe do the second pin on Thursday, but otherwise I don't see an issue, or any reason to squint at the little ticks on a syringe

Hi Eidolan

On most of the sites. Recommended dosage for deca is min 400mg. And a lot of guys swear by (me being 1) that test be double the deca dose. To overcome the effects of deca.
Yes u can run the test lower, but if you experience sexual sides half way through your cycle. Most guys will tell u to up the test dose.


Will it not be better to split the deca dose. Mon/Thursday, to maintain a more stable blood level?

Whatever he does, I don't think bumping up the test and deca will reduce sides There's not likely to be any dick issues at 350-400mg of deca, which is why 500mg of test should be fine. You also can't really address prolactin sides with test.

I'm never keen to advise anyone about cycles once they've already started pinning. But since he's already doing test twice a week, I agree he can split the deca with the test Mon/Thu. Theoretically it will be be a little bit more beneficial.

Eidolon wrote:

BEN3 wrote:

Eidolon wrote:

BEN3 wrote: Very weird planning.

Bump deca up to around 400mg a week. If you using 350mg/1ml.
Use 0.6ml on mon and Thursday. That will be 420mg a week.

Test needs to be higher than deca. If you did 750mg of test weekly before. Then it should be fine. Or you can drop it abit.
You 72kg. So you also don't want to go to high. Spilt our test like the deca, mon and Thursday. And pin along with deca.

Think you misread mate. Test is 2x250mg pw and deca 350mg pw. He'd only need to go higher on the test than before if it was a test only cycle - this is a sensible increase, equal to around 1g of test pw. Maybe do the second pin on Thursday, but otherwise I don't see an issue, or any reason to squint at the little ticks on a syringe

Hi Eidolan

On most of the sites. Recommended dosage for deca is min 400mg. And a lot of guys swear by (me being 1) that test be double the deca dose. To overcome the effects of deca.
Yes u can run the test lower, but if you experience sexual sides half way through your cycle. Most guys will tell u to up the test dose.


Will it not be better to split the deca dose. Mon/Thursday, to maintain a more stable blood level?

Whatever he does, I don't think bumping up the test and deca will reduce sides There's not likely to be any dick issues at 350-400mg of deca, which is why 500mg of test should be fine. You also can't really address prolactin sides with test.

I'm never keen to advise anyone about cycles once they've already started pinning. But since he's already doing test twice a week, I agree he can split the deca with the test Mon/Thu. Theoretically it will be be a little bit more beneficial.

So you say, 500mg test will be sufficient for 400mg (min effective dose) of deca?

BEN3 wrote: So you say, 500mg test will be sufficient for 400mg (min effective dose) of deca?

Probably, yes. Admin's intermediate cycle has a similar test:deca ratio - 600:525. He also recommends keeping caber handy.

Bumping up the dose reduce sides? Haha KAK man. Thats the same as someone telling u.. If drink more you will become sober. Poef.

Hardstyle, 350mg deca per week is more than enough Deca for a guy your size. Recommended doses are misleading because like all drugs, your bodyweight determines what an effective dose is. A guy who is 120kg needs around 60% more than you to get the same blood plasma levels of whatever steroid you're taking.

Deca is renowned for making guys feel a bit down or 'off'. Deca affects both of our 'feel good' hormones dopamine and serotonin so you might feel less motivated about life because of that.

Hey guys thanks for all the valuable input. Yes noted that you can't fight deca sides by bumping up test.this is why I will use cabaser from week4 to fight of my prolactin sides which I am prone to. I'm more then happy sticking to 350mg deca since this is my first cycle and like MA mentioned this is fine for my bodyweight.

I will keep you all posted on this thread unless otherwise suggested by admin or other mods.

Herewith results of my full blood count blood test.
Let me know what you guys think.

Test Result Reference
FBC ONLY

· ERYTHROCYTE COUNT 4.85 x10^12/L 4.5 - 6.5
· HAEMOGLOBIN 14.5 g/dL 13.8 - 18.8
· HAEMATOCRIT 0.42 L/L 0.40 - 0.56
· MCV 87.4 fL 79 - 100
· MCH 29.9 pg 27 - 35
· MCHC 34.2 g/dL 29 - 37
· RDW 14.2 11.0 - 16.0
· PLATELETS 305 x 10^9/L 150 - 450
· LEUCOCYTE COUNT 8.66 x 10^9/L 4.0 - 12.0
· Neutrophils 53.8% 4.66 x 10^9/L 2.0 - 7.5
· Lymphocytes 38.5% 3.33 x 10^9/L 1.0 - 4.0
· Monocytes 5.5% 0.48 x 10^9/L 0.2 - 1.0
· Eosinophils 2.0% 0.17 x 10^9/L 0.0 - 0.5
· Basophils 0.2% 0.02 x 10^9/L 0.0 - 0.3

COMMENT:
Normal red cell indices,
Absolute leucocyte values are normal,
Platelets are adequate.

what are your stats? weight, height bodyfat etc?

and what do you mean by using adex kinda on and off? how often are we talking about here? 750mg test is a lot...