Loosing Weight at 46

So this is for all the men over 45 wanting to get back in shape.

When I lived in the city it was easier to get to gym and work out regularly but since being on the farm out of the city the weight has been creeping up on my from 100kg to up to 116kgs. I knew I had to do something urgently but with no personal trainers around to give advice and guidance it was an issue. Eventually I came across this site and it looked legit in terms of real products. It is quite nerve recking injecting something into your body if you are not sure of the source.

I have not used any anabolics for about 20 years but I knew from experience that if used under good supervision and guidance that you do get dramatic results. I decided to start after new years. I was advised (by someone/ nameless administrator) to start with a simple cycle like Test Cyp and Dianabol but reading that Anavar is beter for weight loss I started with Test Cyp and Anavar. I also ordered Fat Furnace Fifteen to aid with the fat loss.

My stats:

Age : 46
Weight : 116kg
Height: 179 cm

It has been two weeks since I started. I have not lost any weight yet but I have noticed a change in my body. Muscles are firming up especially my pecs. My energy levels are also much higher and my libido is definitely increased. Wife is very happy....lol

I have a home gym and some free weights and started training with them. Next week I want to increase my cardio as well as eating abit cleaner. I followed Tim Noakes diet last year and although I felt great on it and enjoyed the food I did not loose the weight. If anyone else has an opinion or experience with this I would be interested to hear it. For now it seems I will need to go back on the "chicken breast and broccoli" that has worked for me in the past. I also limit any alcohol to my cheat day on weekends.

My ass is abit sore from the injections. I do every other cheek every four days but I must say it is quite painful especially the second and third day. Any advice on this ?

I am planning to do another month or more of FFF till I reach my target weight of 95kgs.

How many calories are u consuming per day? And what are ur macros? Watch ur fat intake on keto diets rather consume higher protien and green veg with about 100 - 150g of fat max.

Endomorph wrote: How many calories are u consuming per day? And what are ur macros? Watch ur fat intake on keto diets rather consume higher protien and green veg with about 100 - 150g of fat max.

If you don't know what his caloric requirements are, how can you possibly substantiate advising 100-150g fat on LCHF?


Anyway. Hey qpaulb, glad you made the big decision. I know for sure how challenging it can get doing resistance training in desolate/rural locations. Sometimes you have to be creative and make your own equipment.

Regarding your goals, you said you were on Testosterone Cyp and Anavar. Now being on steroids will absolutely make you feel a whole lot better at your age, but it is not the main mechanism for fat-loss. The route I would go if I was your age is to do blood tests to check hormone levels. If your test is low (which is probable due to age) your doctor can prescribe the testosterone.

The main thing you are going to need to focus on is diet. Glad you are familiar with LCHF (banting), the fact that you did not loose weight long term is probably due to one of the following:
1) You simply ate too much without knowing it.
2) You had too many carbs in your food you were unaware of.
3) Lack of compliance.

The first step will be to work out your caloric requirements, from that you can get a better picture of how much you need to loose weight. I've helped a senior gent (58) loose over 50kg, the absolute main factor was changing to a diet composed of protein, fats and vegetables. We never counted calories, he ate instinctively based on hunger and had no set meal plan. I just taught him what foods to buy from the shops and how he's plate should look. Only exercise was walking around the block.

Fat Furnace Fifteen is a safe option for a fat-burner.

Nice info Furk

Hi Furk,

Thank you for the detailed advice. Much appreciated.

Just to clarify....I am on week 3 of my beginner cycle of Test Cyp and Ananvar as on this site. I still have quite a long way to go to finish the cycle and PCT.

In terms of diet I agree that I might have done to much carbs. I am now cutting carb as far as possible and trying to stick to meat and veg (fresh and cooked). It is a bit confusing between the high fat diet of Tim Noakes and the High Protein diet commonly used out there ? About two years ago I suddenly had gal bladder stones and they wanted to remove my gal bladder. I was told it was because of fatty foods by the specialist at Medi Clinic. A good friend then suggested I go onto Tim Noakes diet which is HIGH fat and after three months my gal bladder stones disappeared ??? So there goes that theory that fatty foods give you gal bladder stones.

Another question is......previously when I wanted to loose weight I went onto six small meals a day. Normally 3 protein shakes and three meals and I had good results from that however on the TN diets I get away with one meal a day due to the high fat content. What do you recommend is the best route to follow ? Also what foods do you recommend ? I am O blood group and love meats.

I also have one box of Somatropin HGH (10 x 10ml) in the fridge which I bought two years ago and never used. Can I used it with my current cycle and how much do I use per day or week ?

Finally...a lady friend of mine has had some GREAT weight loss results in the last three months with a product called HGH Fragment 177-191. I have asked Admin about it but they are unfamiliar with it. Do you know anything about it ?

Gallstones: Yeah I had my gallbladder removed at 17 because they had no way to remove gallstones that had developed. I think with kidney stones they can still zap them with lasers or something? Anyway, the surgeon could give me no reason as to why I got them, all that he said is that they occur more often in females than males, and is a common complication in the Mediterranean area. Since then I dramatically changed my diet and function just fine without my gallbladder.

Steroid cycle: So you want to ride it out? If you do, just please please do a proper PCT and down the line do blood tests.

Meals per day: To be honest, the frequency of meals plays no significant part for your goals. What is important is that you space your protein evenly in the amount of meals you have. No need to be scientifically anal, just make sure protein accompanies every meal. Some will argue that eating one meal a day can be detrimental, and I guess for the vast populace it is. If it's done in the later part of the day (evening), and especially after training, it shouldn't be a big issue. The advantage is that you have many hours of fasting which works on pretty unique mechanisms for fat-loss and longevity (autophagy, HGH secretion, hormone regulation, complete gastric emptying ect). Ori Hofmekler actually wrote a book about that style of eating called "The Warrior Diet". I am not pushing you towards one meal a day, just giving facts. Just be kind to yourself, if you feel like trash during your working hours it's obviously not worth it.

HGH: I don't presume to be an expert on peptides, never used them myself. Oupa is the expert member that comes to mind if you need specifics. From what I understand you can dose HGH 0,03 - 0,06 IU/kg body-weight, per 24 hours, common performance enhancing dose is 2 IU to 4 IU per day. You can totally add it, but whether it is a smart move or not, I'll rater wait for Oupa's back-up.

Frag 1771-191 is known as the "fat burner HGH", I think it's called Protropin? Not 100% sure. If I'm on the right track, Frag 1771-191 is not produced naturally in the body (unlike regular HGH), it's slightly modified. So non-FDA approved, you can't get it from the doctor ect ect...


Hope it helps mate!

Hi Furk,

Yes, thank you for the GREAT info !!!

qpaulb, I think you're complicating things too much.

Doing a cycle was a bad diea as you're not going to get the full benefit as if you were leaner. Nevermind the associated costs.

hGH... R3k+ a month. And then the risk associated with your age. Any, and I mean ANY malignancy will explode in size. So make damn sure you have no underlying issues especially if you have a family history of cancer.

Listen to Furk. In fact, write him into your will tomorrow because his advice is top class. You cannot go wrong.

Read the diet stickies on how to calculate your daily calorie requirements and stick to them. Use Fatsecret to weigh and determine your food calorie quantities. If you do proper keto the weight should melt off. In fact, you can shed weight TOO quickly.

Cyclo wrote: qpaulb, I think you're complicating things too much.

Doing a cycle was a bad diea as you're not going to get the full benefit as if you were leaner. Nevermind the associated costs.

hGH... R3k+ a month. And then the risk associated with your age. Any, and I mean ANY malignancy will explode in size. So make damn sure you have no underlying issues especially if you have a family history of cancer.

Listen to Furk. In fact, write him into your will tomorrow because his advice is top class. You cannot go wrong.

Read the diet stickies on how to calculate your daily calorie requirements and stick to them. Use Fatsecret to weigh and determine your food calorie quantities. If you do proper keto the weight should melt off. In fact, you can shed weight TOO quickly.

Hey Cyclo, cheers for the input mate. Agree with you, although it might not appear that way because I tend to very subjective in my advice.

On the HGH, purposely didn't delve too deep. But along with the cost/month, it's often run in really long cycles, so cost will genuinely get high. But by the sound of things qpaulb only wants to use the stock he has, not restock after. Is it possible he can use it for more of a "therapeutic dose" to mitigate complications?

Another thing I forgot to mention, and it's going to sound harsh. Prostate cancer is the most common type of cancer in men, especially prevalent in elder men. One type of treatment to reduce tumor progression is lowering of Test (can't remember through which mechanism). Conversely, the theory is that elevated levels of Testosterone contribute to risk of development for prostate cancer. Results in studies vary, and last I checked there is no clear conclusion if elevated (endogenous or exogenous) contributes to a greater risk of developing prostate cancer. That said, they did not do studies on men predisposed with a risk of prostate cancer that take large amounts of anabolic steroids. Keep your future safety in mind. Check your PSA.

As a side note: those dieting stickies are terribly written. DJ had the spelling and grammar capacity of a rural 3rd grader. And the formatting ability of an IT-illiterate, tik bergie.

Jislaaik LOL (the sidenote)

Hi Furk,

Thank you again for the advice.

Yes, I used HGH 6 years ago for about 12 months and had GREAT results. No side effects and feeling rejuvenated. I also lost 10 kg in fat and gained 7kgs in muscle. I wanted to go that route again but ADMIN suggested I try a Beginner Cycle as you see results much faster and the costs is much lower. Therefore my decision.

Anyway I am just going to use the box of HGH that I have so that it is not wasted.

I really enjoy the way the Testosterone makes me feel. I think it is a cruel joke that our testosterone levels go down as we age. After this cycle I definitely want to have some blood tests done and then see if I can have a weekly dose of Test to maintain this feeling of wellbeing.

In terms of food choices and diet, can you please assist me Furk ? In general I eat mostly protein and very rarely eat bread, pasta, pizza or potatoes. I enjoy protein shakes and lots of meats and salads. As I said before I felt very good on the Tim Noakes diet. My weak point is fruit. Living on a farm we have lots of good fruit.

Side Note - Most cancers are caused by the chlorine added in our daily drinking water which then forms Trihalomethane , but no on seems to talk to much about it. The World Health Organization (WHO) issued a report to this regard stating that the biggest cause of cancer is Trihalomethane . In South Africa no municipality is testing for Trihalomethane. Scary !!!

qpaulb wrote: Hi Furk,

Side Note - Most cancers are caused by the chlorine added in our daily drinking water which then forms Trihalomethane , but no on seems to talk to much about it. The World Health Organization (WHO) issued a report to this regard stating that the biggest cause of cancer is Trihalomethane . In South Africa no municipality is testing for Trihalomethane. Scary !!!

Nahh, mate. You're wrong there, that is a very "zeitgeist" type of statement. I'm not saying that it doesn't aggravate it but there are hundreds of causes and none.

The argument that so many people get cancer today compared to to 100+ years ago can be explaned by;
1) People live longer, average age in Victorian times was in the 30's, now it's high 70's.
2) Modern technology like MRI, DNA sequencing, Contrast media etc are able to identify tumours that were previously unknown,
3) Modern medicine allows people like T1 diabetics to live long lives and procreate whereas in the past they would've died in infancy.

Most of the cancers occur because some or other gene(s) get expressed, the root causes of which are not clearly understood.

@qpaulb, big pleasure mate!

Not read deeply into Trihalomethane, but I think there are many factors in modern living that contribute. Cyclo, not disagreeing with you, in fact I like your stance and argument. But higher rates of detection does not nullify the fact that there are contributing factors these days that simply weren't present in the past. I think it's difficult to compare 50 year old Jannie to his great-great grandfather with regard to cancer diagnosis and chronic disease. The same dilemma like when a lifter tries to review the gains made his first cyle of Test only vs. on his fourth cycle of Test only. He's essentially two different people, he's gained substantial muscle and advanced in his training greatly. For sure he will have two different experiences in the compared cycles. See where I'm getting at with the simile?

Anyway, nit-picking over hypotheticals that may not even be relevant. No use getting too fixated on things that aren't even the topic of the thread.

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Sorry isnt the Tim Noakes a high fat diet? So if u are trying to lose fat wouldnt it make sense to drop the fat intake on the low side 100g and complete ur calories from protien and veg? If u trying to burn fat why would u ingest large amounts of fat? the body would use the fat ingested before using the fat stored for energy?

my take the diet side.

Most important calories in versus calories out, so if your maintenance is 3000 calories drop about 600 calories which will give you around 2400 calories, this would give u around about 1-1.5 kilo drop a week. I would include carbs post workout to take advantage of the anabolic window on a cut 0.5g per kilo of lean body mass high glycemic carbs with a fast digesting protein (whey isolate or concentrate) you can also add leucine - recent study showed 5g of leucine added to 6-7g of whey increased protein synthesis by 220%. I would stay zero carb higher protein keeping fats moderate from the morning till pre-workout and after my post-workout meal.

One more thing look at adding probiotics, digestive enzymes and apple cider vinegar to your diet as digestion is key.

Endomorph wrote: Sorry isnt the Tim Noakes a high fat diet? So if u are trying to lose fat wouldnt it make sense to drop the fat intake on the low side 100g and complete ur calories from protien and veg? If u trying to burn fat why would u ingest large amounts of fat? the body would use the fat ingested before using the fat stored for energy?

Endo, read up the reasoning behind ketogenic diets. That's why you increase fat, limit protein and all but eliminate Carbs.

The reason you limit protein is because through gluconeogenisis, your body can synthesize glucose from amino acids.

Another benefit of ketogenic dieting is that ketones are actually muscle sparing. So you won't lose muscle while dropping weight as with "normal" calorie restricted diets.

Endomorph wrote: Sorry isnt the Tim Noakes a high fat diet? So if u are trying to lose fat wouldnt it make sense to drop the fat intake on the low side 100g and complete ur calories from protien and veg? If u trying to burn fat why would u ingest large amounts of fat? the body would use the fat ingested before using the fat stored for energy?

Tim Noakes / Banting is LCHF (low carb high fat). It means keeping carbs low enough so that the body uses fat as fuel. As Cyclo said, Ketogenic dieting takes it one step further, you start to produce ketones in liver to supply the brain with energy. I would advise you be knowledgeable about a subject before you try to advise on it. Giving advice on a subject you know little to nothing about is actually dangerous (and against the forum rules). Nutrition (and science as a whole) is not always about "thinking logically". It's about understanding the processes and mechanisms. It's not arithmetic.

Cyclo I understand the principls behind ketosis. Isnt protien muscle sparing? And will amino acids be sythesized into glucose at 1g - 1.5g of per pound of body weight with moderate fat intake?

Just doesnt make sense for someone trying to lose fat to consume 80% of their calories from fat, how would they tap into stored body fat? They would have to burn the fat first that they have consumed throughout the day, unless their calories are extremely low then this would be based on calories and not ketosis.

Why do pro bodybuiler move to fish (specificaly cod fish contains zero fat),asparagus closer to contest?

Hey Furk Ya u right its not about thinking logically!You didnt answer the question by the way. Cyclo gave an internet search based answer not his own input.

Just because i don’t agree with ur take on dieting you presume I’m not knowledgeable and u threaten me with the rules of the forum (I’ve been a member sense 2008). Good work i must say.

By the way DJ contributed alot of solid input on this site, go back and look at some of the progress pics of the guys he helped.Its not arithmetic!

My input will end here.

Endo, you clearly have a vague understanding of the principles of nutrition.
80% of his calories from fat. Yes. But you are consuming less than your daily requirements means you're in deficit. And as such, will lose weight. If you consume more, you gain. Simple.
More and more bodybuilders ate starting to use ketosis to cut for comps. They don't have to starve, minimal losses, minimal mood swings, improved immunity and most importantly, no immune crash after the comp.

Endomorph wrote: Hey Furk Ya u right its not about thinking logically!You didnt answer the question by the way. Cyclo gave an internet search based answer not his own input.

1. Find your protein requirements.
2. Fill the rest of your caloric intake with fats and fibrous vegetables.
It's really that simple.
You are using different energy pathways, and with a little time (individual dependent) your body will switch over. Your body is always looking for a fuel, that we cannot change. Your BMRR accounts for the vast majority of your energy requirements, training only being a small fraction. Of your BMRR, your brain is surprisingly demanding, that's where ketosis shines in my opinion.

Endomorph wrote: Just because i don’t agree with ur take on dieting you presume I’m not knowledgeable and u threaten me with the rules of the forum (I’ve been a member sense 2008). Good work i must say.

The point I was trying to make is your opinion given as advice. I cannot let something like that slide. I'd say the same to a doctor that prescribes a low fat diet to a diabetic - it's dangerous. It's not a debate. I guess the rule I was referring to was mainly written with anabolic steroids in mind. Can you imagine if some bro was pushing Dbol and Deca without PCT on a user that is gyno prone, and nobody to stop him?

It's not my "take on dieting". I never told OP to follow a certain way of eating. I strongly believe LCHF and Keto to be very beneficial and easy to adhere to. I go on science, studies and anecdotes. I'd give different input to a member that's trying to recomp or bulk. I never "presumed you to not knowledgeable", you already proved yourself, fin. I'm not here to rewrite good literature, if you want to learn the ins-and-outs of biology, go read a book. I give my input on other members personal queries.

Endomorph wrote: By the way DJ contributed alot of solid input on this site, go back and look at some of the progress pics of the guys he helped.Its not arithmetic!

This discussion isn't about DJ. I made a cocky remark on his language and typing because I find it ridiculous. I'm not defaming his character, he did that to himself already. I also never refuted that he helped other members make progress. Check yourself mate.

Please stop the discussion about DJ. I like him and he contributed and gave much of his time. His transformation is also remarkable.

Endomorph wrote: Cyclo gave an internet search based answer not his own input.

I have a Masters degree in chemistry. My research incorporated facets of Organic, Bio, Physical and Computational chemistry. As well as microbiology, cell biology (cancer cell lines) and the various methods and techniques of synthesis and structural elucidation. I am published in internationally acclaimed peer reviewd journals...

I could give a PROPER breakdown of keto. I could give the enzymes, structures and mechanisms of the biochemical reactions. Hell I could even give you the thermodynamic calculations. But that would confuse 99% of the people. So instead of being aloof, I break it down (read not dumb it down) so that folks who don't have intimate knowledge can understand.

Internet search based... Yes I do, but I also know which references are real and based on sound verifiable science and fact. I continousuly scour the net as there is always something new. This case though I don't need to because I already have read up extensively, plus input from Furk and Pyro, both of whom whose knowledge and experience in this subject far exceeds mine, to which I have alluded to on several occasions.

The science behind Ketogenesis is solid. The questions you ask like "isn't it counter productive to eat fat when you're trying to lose fat because you would first have to burn that fat shows you don't understand the core precept of it and nutrition in the sense of daily requirements, calculating macros etc etc.

Ok, rant over. Imagine I was on Tren... :lol: