First Cycle - Test Cyp....Advice needed

Dbecks wrote:

Hoosain wrote: Wait 30 days after last test cyp injection then start PCT.

PCT will be fine for a test only cycle, however adding hcg to your cycle will aid in recovery.

Thanks bro. Was reading your posts (2016) on your Test Cyp + Var - great stuff. Helps with researching on what I actually will decide on

Oh yes, wow it's been so long haha. Loved every minute of it!
Planning to do another cycle soon. However this forum has taught me that you don't just jump in bed with AAS, it takes some prep work to be ready to tackle a cycle. The articles section was and still is my best friend.

Good luck with whatever you decide bro. For me personally i think this is the safest and easiest bet for a first cycle.

Hoosain wrote:

Dbecks wrote:

Hoosain wrote: Wait 30 days after last test cyp injection then start PCT.

PCT will be fine for a test only cycle, however adding hcg to your cycle will aid in recovery.

Thanks bro. Was reading your posts (2016) on your Test Cyp + Var - great stuff. Helps with researching on what I actually will decide on

Oh yes, wow it's been so long haha. Loved every minute of it!
Planning to do another cycle soon. However this forum has taught me that you don't just jump in bed with AAS, it takes some prep work to be ready to tackle a cycle. The articles section was and still is my best friend.

Good luck with whatever you decide bro. For me personally i think this is the safest and easiest bet for a first cycle.

Yes it sounded like you were having a ball!..haha

Wise words with the AAS. Pump has advised the SARMS as another option so looking into that.

What prep bro? (Just to help me out)

Sarms are another option yes. I have tried GW myself and loved the increase in fitness and endurance.

Prep... Well i thought i had my diet and training all sorted.
Now i wasn't completely wrong, but i was not 100% either. I was eating way more calories than i was supposed to and also my P/C/F ratio was out. I was killing carbs and protein and not getting in enough fats.

I also was doing the wrong types of training for my goals and eventually got myself following a proper training program which i switch up every now and then.

Sleep, i don't think i was getting enough sleep and stopped my late nights of movies.

And my bodyfat % was too high t cycle.

So i kept reading and asking questions until i had it all figured out. Before hitting a cycle i amended my caloric intake, my training program, ensured i got enough sleep and of course i dropped my BF%. When i felt ready i eventually started my cycle with the idea of hitting it hard. At the time i even timed it so that i would be on holiday as to not start it at work where i could potentially lose focus right at the start of my cycle.

I believe the start is crucial and if it's not started right then the rest of the cycle will not be right.

Hoosain wrote: Sarms are another option yes. I have tried GW myself and loved the increase in fitness and endurance.

Prep... Well i thought i had my diet and training all sorted.
Now i wasn't completely wrong, but i was not 100% either. I was eating way more calories than i was supposed to and also my P/C/F ratio was out. I was killing carbs and protein and not getting in enough fats.

I also was doing the wrong types of training for my goals and eventually got myself following a proper training program which i switch up every now and then.

Sleep, i don't think i was getting enough sleep and stopped my late nights of movies.

And my bodyfat % was too high t cycle.

So i kept reading and asking questions until i had it all figured out. Before hitting a cycle i amended my caloric intake, my training program, ensured i got enough sleep and of course i dropped my BF%. When i felt ready i eventually started my cycle with the idea of hitting it hard. At the time i even timed it so that i would be on holiday as to not start it at work where i could potentially lose focus right at the start of my cycle.

I believe the start is crucial and if it's not started right then the rest of the cycle will not be right.

Vaulable feedback. Definitely working on my Diet and Training. Will work on sleep but have been getting 6-7 hours. Doing a BF measurement next week

Been reading alot about SARMS and looking at Pumps advice on the GW. Any feedback on Ostarine?

Unfortunately no experience with Ostarine. Find one of Rooibuls threads and i'm sure you'll find valuable info on sarms. Rooibul seems to have quite a bit of experience with them... He'll probably come and pass on some advice when he pops onto the forum sometime.

Hi bro for a firts cycle especialy after a first cycle of test only I would not ad Ostarine in the bridge no. Like Pump said go with GW 501516 at a good dose 20mg split am and pm you can also consider MK677 run it through bridge period and through PCT just keep the diet clean and lean

Rooi Bul 86 wrote: Hi bro for a firts cycle especialy after a first cycle of test only I would not ad Ostarine in the bridge no. Like Pump said go with GW 501516 at a good dose 20mg split am and pm you can also consider MK677 run it through bridge period and through PCT just keep the diet clean and lean

Thanks for the advice bro.

For interest sake - why not Ostarine and why not in the bridge?
Just curious as I read that its good for retaining muscle and figured it would be good in a bridge?

Would like to learn all I can

Remember this is your first cycle so you do not know how your body responds to Steroids or SARMS so using Test Cyp for example as your cycle and then kicking it off with Starine or bridging with ostarine if somethings acts up how are we going to know what is causing it the Testosterone or the Ostarine? As some guys report sensitivity to Ostarine. This is the same reason Pums suggested GW 501516 over Anavar. As yes Anavar is mild and safe but some guys report sensitivity to the DHT or Androgenic side of things thar is possible so also in that example if you start getting DHT or Androgenic side effects how are we going to know wich one of the two is the bastard that your body does not like? Remeber in your bridge there is Still Testosterone Active from your Injections the bridge is simply waiting for the Testosterone to get to a low enough level so that is does not interfere with or render your PCT useless in Cycle 2 then yes by all means if cycle 1 of Test Only went good then add a kick and a bridge compound because by the time you reach your bridge the compound you used for the kicl start is going to be out of your system by then.

Hope it makes sense?

PS MK677 for me in my bridge and PCT is Gold my friend keeps your muscles full and my strength and endurance up.

Rooi Bul 86 wrote: Remember this is your first cycle so you do not know how your body responds to Steroids or SARMS so using Test Cyp for example as your cycle and then kicking it off with Starine or bridging with ostarine if somethings acts up how are we going to know what is causing it the Testosterone or the Ostarine? As some guys report sensitivity to Ostarine. This is the same reason Pums suggested GW 501516 over Anavar. As yes Anavar is mild and safe but some guys report sensitivity to the DHT or Androgenic side of things thar is possible so also in that example if you start getting DHT or Androgenic side effects how are we going to know wich one of the two is the bastard that your body does not like? Remeber in your bridge there is Still Testosterone Active from your Injections the bridge is simply waiting for the Testosterone to get to a low enough level so that is does not interfere with or render your PCT useless in Cycle 2 then yes by all means if cycle 1 of Test Only went good then add a kick and a bridge compound because by the time you reach your bridge the compound you used for the kicl start is going to be out of your system by then.

Hope it makes sense?

PS MK677 for me in my bridge and PCT is Gold my friend keeps your muscles full and my strength and endurance up.

Ah yes brilliant! I forgot about the fact that you also have to keep things simple so that you can see how your body reacts and then know what is causing it. To many in the first cycle means you dont have a clear line of sight if you react badly - makes perfect sense

MK677 plus GW in the Bridge and PCT will be okay then?

In the fisrts Cycle Case I would bridge with GW as MK can cause some water bloat and add the MK677 in PCT. But if the litte water retention does not bother you then by all means add it in the bridge

Thanks guys for all the invaluable advice and guidance. Means alot to have peeps that share and care and help you achieve your goals the right way.


I will sort out my diet, make sure my training is well planned, measure BF and everything else and monitor progress. Thinking Test only with SARMS in the Bridge/PCT is the way to go first cycle - Will look at PCT 1 afterwards

Here is a good guideline to PCT and HCG as supplied by the one and only RooiBul.

www.anabolicsteroids.co.za/forum/5-post-...ism-the-hpta-and-pct

Storm T wrote: Here is a good guideline to PCT and HCG as supplied by the one and only RooiBul.

www.anabolicsteroids.co.za/forum/5-post-...ism-the-hpta-and-pct

Thanks - I have read that and it was very good

Quick question with running HCG during the cycle

If I start mid cycle and run through util PCT starts -

Its 250IU twice a week (as recommended by the article) untill PCT..so

Week 5 - 500IU
Week 6 - 500IU
Week 7 - 500IU
Week 8 - 500IU
Week 9 - 500IU
Week 10 - 500IU
Week 11 - 500IU
Week 12 - 500IU
Week 13 - 500IU
Week 14 - 500IU
Week 15 - 500IU
Week 16 - 500IU
Week 17 - PCT Start

Will a 5000IU vile be enough ending at week 14 or should I get more and end at week 16?

Forgive me If I messed up the math or anything else - still learning :blush:

Maybe just lower the dosage to 250iu's a week for the last 4 weeks till pct

Dbecks wrote: Quick question with running HCG during the cycle

If I start mid cycle and run through util PCT starts -

Its 250IU twice a week (as recommended by the article) untill PCT..so

Week 5 - 500IU
Week 6 - 500IU
Week 7 - 500IU
Week 8 - 500IU
Week 9 - 500IU
Week 10 - 500IU
Week 11 - 500IU
Week 12 - 500IU
Week 13 - 500IU
Week 14 - 500IU
Week 15 - 500IU
Week 16 - 500IU
Week 17 - PCT Start

Will a 5000IU vile be enough ending at week 14 or should I get more and end at week 16?

Forgive me If I messed up the math or anything else - still learning :blush:

5000ius = 10shots if you using (250ius twice a week)

Thanks guys.

The information you have given plus my own research has really helped me learn alot but also provides me with the confidence in making a decision.

I think my BF is too high to cycle. Read alot about this and the risks of cycling while having a high BF and figure I will rather wait and get my training sorted, diet sorted and make sure that I am really at the right place before cycling. Want to get my BF to 15% and will have to put the work in first naturally.

I'm thinking of adding GW in there to assist. Would Ostarine also be a good choice to add?

Its not hard to drop below 15% in a few weeks time,with the right diet it will be easy.

Storm T wrote: Its not hard to drop below 15% in a few weeks time,with the right diet it will be easy.

Thank you for the boost of confidence! Any links to a good diet?

Will also check out the diet section of the forum

Everyone's diet is diffrent but you can use this as a guideline.Keep in mind this is a low carbs.Around 2600 calories a day but you can lower this each week.This is what I normally eat when prepping to begin a diet.
Total Fat: 68,63g
Cholesterol: 905mg
Sodium: 3882mg
Total Carbohydrate: 123,71g
Dietary Fiber: 33,1g
Sugars: 27,73g
Protein: 363,91g
Carbs: 19%
Fat: 24%
Protein: 57%



Meal 1: 07:00am
1 Serving Whey Protein
1 Banana

Meal 2: 10:20am
6 Eggs (1 Yolk)
50g Raw Oats

Meal 3: 12:20pm
200g Meat (Lean mince or Steak)
200g Broccoli and if Cucumber

Meal 4: 16:00pm
80g Biltong
50g Raw Oats

Meal 5: 20:00pm
200g Chicken
Half a Cucumber

Meal 6: 22:00pm
250g Chicken
Half an Avo

Storm T wrote: Everyone's diet is diffrent but you can use this as a guideline.Keep in mind this is a low carbs.Around 2600 calories a day but you can lower this each week.This is what I normally eat when prepping to begin a diet.
Total Fat: 68,63g
Cholesterol: 905mg
Sodium: 3882mg
Total Carbohydrate: 123,71g
Dietary Fiber: 33,1g
Sugars: 27,73g
Protein: 363,91g
Carbs: 19%
Fat: 24%
Protein: 57%



Meal 1: 07:00am
1 Serving Whey Protein
1 Banana

Meal 2: 10:20am
6 Eggs (1 Yolk)
50g Raw Oats

Meal 3: 12:20pm
200g Meat (Lean mince or Steak)
200g Broccoli and if Cucumber

Meal 4: 16:00pm
80g Biltong
50g Raw Oats

Meal 5: 20:00pm
200g Chicken
Half a Cucumber

Meal 6: 22:00pm
250g Chicken
Half an Avo

Much Appreaciated, thank you. Looks very doable

Dbecks

Bro go spend some time in the dieting and competition prep section read all the dieting stickies it wil give ypu a good leg up to sorting out your own diet setting up your own diet tailored to your own needs

Rooi Bul 86 wrote: Dbecks

Bro go spend some time in the dieting and competition prep section read all the dieting stickies it wil give ypu a good leg up to sorting out your own diet setting up your own diet tailored to your own needs

Will do that today, Thanks Rooi Bul

As you may have read - I am not going to cycle until I have sorted out my BF. While doing that, could the SARMS help?

I read about a triple stack of GW, Ostarine and S$ being very good - any advice will help

You wont find S4 in Sa not any worth taking any way. At the moment the only Sarms in SA I trust are the ones made by Liquid Pharmaceuticals they are capsules.

GW could help you but the dose needs to be high 20mg per day and you need to give it time it is not a miracal pill. Good old low carb strict diet and bust your ass in the gym and do high intensity interval training for cardio is going to do you a world of good. If Fat Furnace Fifteen was stil available I would say take that stacked with GW maybe Admin or someone else can recomend a solid replacement for Fat Furnace Fifteen?

My girlfriends father has started using SARMS after 24 years of steroid usage and he says he's never going back to steroids.I can see the GW doing wonders for him as he has been kicking my ass in the gym when it comes to endurance.