First Cycle - Test Cyp....Advice needed

Rooi Bul 86 wrote: You wont find S4 in Sa not any worth taking any way. At the moment the only Sarms in SA I trust are the ones made by Liquid Pharmaceuticals they are capsules.

GW could help you but the dose needs to be high 20mg per day and you need to give it time it is not a miracal pill. Good old low carb strict diet and bust your ass in the gym and do high intensity interval training for cardio is going to do you a world of good. If Fat Furnace Fifteen was stil available I would say take that stacked with GW maybe Admin or someone else can recomend a solid replacement for Fat Furnace Fifteen?

Thanks for the advice bro. I am definitley focusing on diet and training hard - thats my first priority regardless. Your insight is much appreciated

Not sure If I can mention this so correct me if I'm wrong - but the manufacturer is EU SARMS - heard of it?

Storm T wrote: My girlfriends father has started using SARMS after 24 years of steroid usage and he says he's never going back to steroids.I can see the GW doing wonders for him as he has been kicking my ass in the gym when it comes to endurance.

Awesome! What brand does he use?

Yes I heard of EU Sarms. Had 2 guys test it for a good amount of time trained with them personally and deal with them daily. It is bunk shit. Don't waste your money. Go for Liquid Pharmaceuticals.

Dbecks wrote:

Storm T wrote: My girlfriends father has started using SARMS after 24 years of steroid usage and he says he's never going back to steroids.I can see the GW doing wonders for him as he has been kicking my ass in the gym when it comes to endurance.

Awesome! What brand does he use?

He uses LiquidPharma.Its pricey but worth it.

So I am going to go with LP. I see the Osta comes in 15mg tabs. Is that dose ok or too low?

Read that 25mg is good, but how would I take that? Maybe take 2 tabs at 30mg per day?

Rooi Bul - I did read in another Thread that 15mg is good for cutting as advised by you. YOu also said 30mg for 6 weeks, no longer

what about recomp - 15mg enough?

Also read how much you like RAD 140 - should I add to the stack? if so, how many weeks?

For now for you I would go with a non suppressive SARM like GW and Stack it with a good fat burner. You dont want to prep for a cycle with something suppressive and then be stuck in PCT and recovering hormones and then sliding back and starting all over again.

If you want to put off using steroids for quite some time by all means do GW and RAD or even GW and LGD but remember with SARMs your diet needs ro be dialed in on point.

I don't believe in doing a recomp. Go for a full on cut or or a full on bulk or a lean bulk.

How old is that Osta Thread? 6weeks sounds like what I would advise for a female? The longest on a SARM stack I would go with is 12weeks. 30mg for Ostarine is high so might be when things was still new but stand Alone 30mg Ostarine also no more than 12weeks and have PCT1 of Clomid and Nolvadex lined up.

Rooi Bul 86 wrote: For now for you I would go with a non suppressive SARM like GW and Stack it with a good fat burner. You dont want to prep for a cycle with something suppressive and then be stuck in PCT and recovering hormones and then sliding back and starting all over again.

If you want to put off using steroids for quite some time by all means do GW and RAD or even GW and LGD but remember with SARMs your diet needs ro be dialed in on point.

I don't believe in doing a recomp. Go for a full on cut or or a full on bulk or a lean bulk.

How old is that Osta Thread? 6weeks sounds like what I would advise for a female? The longest on a SARM stack I would go with is 12weeks. 30mg for Ostarine is high so might be when things was still new but stand Alone 30mg Ostarine also no more than 12weeks and have PCT1 of Clomid and Nolvadex lined up.

Thanks again for the amazing advice - I am learning tons!

Any advice on a good Fat Burner? AS I am buying from LP - any with them you know of from their products? (Hope this is allowed to be asked, again, correct me if I am wrong)

Clenbuterol is good but not for a newbie. Yohimbine is also good. In your case I would stack Yominbine with a good ECA stack and the GW. I cant tell you what products to use as I don not know what your supplier has?

If you doubt what is allowed or not go read the rules

Rooi Bul 86 wrote: Clenbuterol is good but not for a newbie. Yohimbine is also good. In your case I would stack Yominbine with a good ECA stack and the GW. I cant tell you what products to use as I don not know what your supplier has?

If you doubt what is allowed or not go read the rules

Talking to you is really awesome - I cant thank you enough. I trust my gut and what you say along with my own research is such a blessing - Thank you

They have Yohimbine and I was actually looking at that

I can get an ECA stack
Synephrine, Alkoloid, Cafeinne, L-Thyrosine, Aspirin, Ephedrine etc

PGW ECA as well

What do you reckon?

ALso, have you heard of Nova SARMS and what is your take on them? I cant find much in the net

I already told you the only SARMs I would trust come from LP.

The ECA ingredients you mentioned sound good. Go for that one. I Have not had a look at PGW ECA stack dose or ingredients so cant advise on it yet. What brand is that other ECA stack?

Rooi Bul 86 wrote: I already told you the only SARMs I would trust come from LP.

The ECA ingredients you mentioned sound good. Go for that one. I Have not had a look at PGW ECA stack dose or ingredients so cant advise on it yet. What brand is that other ECA stack?

Yes you did mention LP as the best - so no more on that :blush:

ECA Stack is the ECA Bomb from LP

I can also get Hyper Burn

All from LP

I purchased the PGW ECA stack - to arrive shortly. ECA ephedrine, caffeine and aspirin

Gonna add it to my steroid stack for some extra fat burn while I pump up the muscles. Seems like a good product, will keep you informed.

"PGW Ultimate ECA™ combines ephedrine, caffeine and aspirin in a predetermined ratio. It causes your body to target specific fat cells to be burned for energy, all the while raising your overall metabolic rate and suppressing appetite. Each ingredient in this ECA stack works in conjunction with the next. Ephedrine works as a beta agonist and stimulates production of norepinephrine, as well as circulating it through adipose tissue by way of increasing cAMP levels. The caffeine and aspirin function to inhibit the body’s natural response to halt this cAMP production, thus prolonging the effects."



ECA stands for Ephedrine, Caffeine and Aspirin; these compounds were found to be synergistic for fat loss, and isolating ephedrine from the Ephedra Sinicus plant and putting it into ECA appears to be quite an effective method of fat loss and neural stimulation.

FIllet wrote: I purchased the PGW ECA stack - to arrive shortly. ECA ephedrine, caffeine and aspirin

Gonna add it to my steroid stack for some extra fat burn while I pump up the muscles. Seems like a good product, will keep you informed.

"PGW Ultimate ECA™ combines ephedrine, caffeine and aspirin in a predetermined ratio. It causes your body to target specific fat cells to be burned for energy, all the while raising your overall metabolic rate and suppressing appetite. Each ingredient in this ECA stack works in conjunction with the next. Ephedrine works as a beta agonist and stimulates production of norepinephrine, as well as circulating it through adipose tissue by way of increasing cAMP levels. The caffeine and aspirin function to inhibit the body’s natural response to halt this cAMP production, thus prolonging the effects."



ECA stands for Ephedrine, Caffeine and Aspirin; these compounds were found to be synergistic for fat loss, and isolating ephedrine from the Ephedra Sinicus plant and putting it into ECA appears to be quite an effective method of fat loss and neural stimulation.

Thanks Flllet - look forward to your feedback

They also have an ECY Bomb - contains all the ECA stack ingredients plus Yoh

FIllet wrote: I purchased the PGW ECA stack - to arrive shortly. ECA ephedrine, caffeine and aspirin

Gonna add it to my steroid stack for some extra fat burn while I pump up the muscles. Seems like a good product, will keep you informed.

"PGW Ultimate ECA™ combines ephedrine, caffeine and aspirin in a predetermined ratio. It causes your body to target specific fat cells to be burned for energy, all the while raising your overall metabolic rate and suppressing appetite. Each ingredient in this ECA stack works in conjunction with the next. Ephedrine works as a beta agonist and stimulates production of norepinephrine, as well as circulating it through adipose tissue by way of increasing cAMP levels. The caffeine and aspirin function to inhibit the body’s natural response to halt this cAMP production, thus prolonging the effects."



ECA stands for Ephedrine, Caffeine and Aspirin; these compounds were found to be synergistic for fat loss, and isolating ephedrine from the Ephedra Sinicus plant and putting it into ECA appears to be quite an effective method of fat loss and neural stimulation.

It doesn't feel like real ephedrine hcl, I could be wrong, but I've used enough ephedrine to know how I feel. However it is potent, and gives you one hell of a kick, just expect a heavy crash landing.

Is it true that real ECA gives you some pain in interesting areas?Also ordered some PGW ECA,hopefully it comes next week.

My GF's father said it was much easier to get real ephidrine back in the day.

Dbecks never jump on too many substances at once.If you get problems along the way you wont know what was causing it.

Storm T wrote: Is it true that real ECA gives you some pain in interesting areas?Also ordered some PGW ECA,hopefully it comes next week.

My GF's father said it was much easier to get real ephidrine back in the day.

Dbecks never jump on too many substances at once.If you get problems along the way you wont know what was causing it.

Yes you are correct, thank you for bringing me back down to Earth. I think I can get carried away with wanting to do everything. Rooi Bul advised the same

What I am doing while on the forum learning and deciding - is fixing my diet, and training hard - that is the foundation

Throw in LGD 4033 and GW501516 and you are looking at a stack that will help build lean muscle and provide strength and endurance in the gym.LGD4033 is only a little suppressive and a small pct will bring stuff back to normal if you are hasty to add some more kids to your family.

Keifei has an female stack,you can just double the dose if you want to.(RooiBul jy moet maar se of jy dink dis useless of gevaarlik)

Storm T wrote: Throw in LGD 4033 and GW501516 and you are looking at a stack that will help build lean muscle and provide strength and endurance in the gym.LGD4033 is only a little suppressive and a small pct will bring stuff back to normal if you are hasty to add some more kids to your family.

Keifei has an female stack,you can just double the dose if you want to.(RooiBul jy moet maar se of jy dink dis useless of gevaarlik)

Rhino tried this before between cycles, double dose of female stack... Didn't do anything.
Personally I believe it may just give you some back acne and supress you for nothing. IMO I would give the female stack a miss.

Thank you big man.

Storm.

Bud your advice doesnt stay consistent bud. In one post you tell him to not run too many compounds at once then in your next you tell him to run LGD and GW and then Female Stack on top. Female stack alone is 4 ingredients different compounds?

Guys, the advice has been brilliant. I have also did alot of research around SARMS

Thinking of doing a lean Bulk

LGD (One Supressive)
+
GW

Would that constitute as a lean bulk or full on bulk?

They say that the muscle gained by LGD is lean and looks very clean if your diet is on point

RAD is also mentioned as good for bulk but LGD seems to be ranked higher. Dont want to do 2 supressives in my first cycle

Will run for 12 weeks - then do a PCT1 (Start Arpil and Finish July - all through winter)

Wait around 4 weeks and then maybe do a cutting cycle just before Festive around September to Christmas time.

Will leave the cycle till next year depending on how I do with this

Thoughts?

Sounds good.

Yes LGD is more potent than RAD espescialy if you go beyond 10mg to 15 or 20mg with LGD

Rooi Bul 86 wrote: Sounds good.

Yes LGD is more potent than RAD espescialy if you go beyond 10mg to 15 or 20mg with LGD

Thanks Rooi Bul - you helped alot!

Was thinking of MK677 to add in - would it make a difference?

They say you should be on it for a year?

MK677 for a year, where did you read that?