Proviron and Winny?

dannyboy wrote: Wow ok, so many replies I dont know where to start haha, its awesome to have such an active forum!

@gab and @CHAPEL - thats not me in the pic lol, its heinrich brussow from the free state cheetahs, i wish I looked like that :lol:

Ok my stats are as follows: Age 22, height 178cm, weight 79KG, BF is lingering around the 12% mark.

I did change up my diet a few months back, am still trying to be more disciplined about it as I do cheat a bit too much on it, I definitely need to drop the carbs a little bit and maybe throw some more protein in. As far as supplementation goes, I am on creatine mono and glutamine and DAA at the moment, supplied by Ondier

When I was still stupid and didnt know abt roids, one of my mates gave me some Dianabol which i ran for abt 4 weeks, picked up about 6 or 7 kgs, diet was KAK! lost alot of that weight, and now have gained it all back naturally again I have gone up from 72kg's to 79 now this is over 3 months now just by eating better and training kak hard!

@ CHAPEL - I do know that dieting and cardio are good for cutting, thankfully this forum has taught me a hell of alot of good stuff, Im not exactly sure how much cardio I should be doing tho? What would u guys recommend? At the moment im doing about a 2km jog per day after gym.

At the end of the day I want to hit about 85 to 90 kg's, I want to be lean and hard, and I want to be discliplined enuf to keep it there, I definitely do not expect overnigth results, it would be nice to use some AAS to get there, but if you guys think that I should try and perfect my diet and cardio first then I definitely respect that.

Fire away with advice

EDIT: @Gorilla - Yes i'd love some nice vascularity as well, would love to run a course as you're suggesting but I dont know if Im disclipined enough with diet yet?

ok meneer.
90 kg is far from just having a fuller look and a bit of strength.
winny is not going to get you there very fast.
your going to need some serious food intake and some test. gaining 10-20kg will be hard work and even harder eating.
you have to bulk first and then cut.

thats what i will do

Yeah for sure I understand winny is not going to get me there, or proviron, Im not in a hurry, i want to do it right. I dont just want to do one course and be 90kg's haha, thats not what im saying.

For now I want to break 80kg's and be leaner and harder. So what do you guys recommend in terms of cardio and what else can i throw into my diet for more protein?

lets forget about the roids for now and help me perfect my diet and stuff.

Mmmm, bro so whats your actual goal? Do you have a short-term and a long-term goal? If I were you i'd contact dj instead of hopping on juice and get diet sorted, make some more gains until youve reached a natural peak, then do a 12 week test e cycle @600mg weekly, frontloaded with dbols 40mg ED and bridge to pct with winstrol,proviron,clen,yohimbe. Arimidex as anti-e. If dj helps you you can still drop fat and gain lean mass, just ask koe .

For now my goal is to go from 79 to lets say 83ish kilos, lets say drop bf to 9 or 10 percent, and be fit and strong or fitter and stronger should i say.

Once that goal is completed, I will look at hitting a nice course or something to then go for the golden 90, ripped to shreds and so forth

Can DJ help fix my diet and stuff?

dannyboy wrote: For now my goal is to go from 79 to lets say 83ish kilos, lets say drop bf to 9 or 10 percent, and be fit and strong or fitter and stronger should i say.

Once that goal is completed, I will look at hitting a nice course or something to then go for the golden 90, ripped to shreds and so forth

Can DJ help fix my diet and stuff?

Yeah bro 4kgs can be done without juice and 3% drop in bodyfat as well.Although you cant do it together, contact us page,admin,ask for djs email.

Ok sweet sounds good, I will definitely give him a shout and im sure he can help i just thought maybe because i have gained like 7kgs already, that i might have plateaued or somnething

I know we all say test only as a first cycle, but this is generally to keep guys from running test and deca or tren or whatever. A first cycle could consit of something like anavar and proviron, or if you're not scared of going straight into pinning every 2nd day, then test propionate and winstrol or anavar...
I have a mate of mine who is wanting to lean up a bit on a first cycle of Test prop and anavar... He'll get great lean gains, and will avoid too much water as well