Frontloading test

Hey guys, has anyone frontloaded with test cyp or enth?? Iam just curious as if it works, a lot of people think its just a misleading concept and I would like everyone's views on the subject. Personal feedback would be appreciated.

I have front loaded many of my long ester cycles. Usually I double the dose in my first two pins. So if I was going to cycle 300mg Test cyp and 200mg Deca a week, I would pin 600mg Test and 400mg Deca in the first week.
Logically, and backed up by personal experience, what this does is get your blood levels up to their plateau level quicker. Certain things like strength, and water weight will come quicker. Muscle gains themselves are still delayed in my opinion, as muscle always takes long to grow, but the overall gains I feel are better because strength and the anabolic zone is higher for longer.

Nowadays I am in love with my short esters and orals again, so I don't front load anymore. But I might if I did a long ester only cycle again when my muscles complain about abuse from frequent injections.

Since the first time I tried frontloading with long esters I've stuck with it. It makes sense and works.

Thanks guys. How long is the wait reduced... eg. Instead of waiting 5 weeks for test cyp to kick in would it be more like 3?

Muscleaddict wrote: Since the first time I tried frontloading with long esters I've stuck with it. It makes sense and works.

Agree with you bud

Would more frequent shots in these 2 weeks be advised? like 1ml monday 1ml wednesday and 1ml saterday (total of 750mg) If you were frontloading for a 500mg test cyp cycle (just an example)

Yes

Inja wrote: Yes

Is that yes for both my questions?

manery wrote: Would more frequent shots in these 2 weeks be advised? like 1ml monday 1ml wednesday and 1ml saterday (total of 750mg) If you were frontloading for a 500mg test cyp cycle (just an example)

Yes for both would try to fit 1000mg in 1st week

Would putting that much test in your system all at once not make gyno very likely of flaring up? or not?

manery wrote: Would putting that much test in your system all at once not make gyno very likely of flaring up? or not?

Yes much bigger

I'm on my st320 now doing 4ml a week 1st 2 weeks then 2ml after that for 13 weeks
1280mg a week
Then 640mg

For my first cycle I only want to go with 1.5mls of test cyp a week for 12 weeks, but ill have left over and if it will help kick in faster then why not.. So I was thinking bumping my first 2 weeks of shots to a total of 750mgs a week split into 2 or 3 shots. Good idea?

week 1-2 750mg
week 3-12 375mg

Sure, this is a great idea.
This is a great 1st cycle. Good solid first cycle doses and test only is the way to go for now. With this cycle under your belt you will definately be able to make informed decisions for future cycles. Good planning bro.

manery wrote: For my first cycle I only want to go with 1.5mls of test cyp a week for 12 weeks, but ill have left over and if it will help kick in faster then why not.. So I was thinking bumping my first 2 weeks of shots to a total of 750mgs a week split into 2 or 3 shots. Good idea?

week 1-2 750mg
week 3-12 375mg

Looks good bud

Thanks guys!!! Great help!

+1 to the both of you.

Would you guys with frontloading experience say that the quicker results are worth the increase in side effects?

I mean, if I am to run 600mg Testen for around 10 weeks or so would you say that 1200mg Testen in the first week will make much of a difference (that's worth it), even if I'm running an oral kicker?

Regards to that cycle that I want to do, would gyno still be a high possiblity even with frontloading only 750mg's?

MK I do not see increased side effects. Only that side effects, and by definition results, come in quicker. The short short period in which levels are higher than they would be for the rest of the cycle is usually not enough to set off side effects not normally experienced unless you are a sensitive user.

Manery for a first cycle it is always advised to have an AI or Serm onhand for potential gyno, and to keep a close eye on other potential problems such as high blood pressure. This is why you are doing test only cycle. To find out what you are sensitive to if anything.
If you have tamoxifen for PCT then this is fine as your onhand SERM. There should be no extra worry around having the front load dose, but on a first cycle you can't be sure if you are one of those sensitive few, so you have the onhand ancillary just in case.

Manery, you've said before you've done your research and know what you're doing, but you're asking about gyno??? You tell other guys on the forum to get arimidex to prevent gyno but now you don't have an AI for your first cycle? Even though you've already been advised to and you know that high estrogen is the #1 thing to cause your growth plates to fuse early. Not too smart buddy.

If you're going to take risks like this at only 19 at least have an AI to keep estrogen down!

I think he was just asking if gyno was a greater risk when front loading.
I don't think it Is.

I don't think its necessary to run an AI on this cycle. If he is using gear his growth plates will be affected regardless if they have not matured yet. A SERM onhand should be enough if gyno presents.

Post script
I do not support the use of steroids by people so young. But you have schooled him and if this is his decision then he is accountable. I don't check the ages of people I reply to anymore as I just don't have the time.

MK wrote: Would you guys with frontloading experience say that the quicker results are worth the increase in side effects?

I mean, if I am to run 600mg Testen for around 10 weeks or so would you say that 1200mg Testen in the first week will make much of a difference (that's worth it), even if I'm running an oral kicker?

I must say I have a few pimples on chest already but I am at 100mg anap a day as well
Feeling shit as my gains has struck a hold bringing me mentally down

If your still on the A-bombs then your still in your kicker phase? If that's the case your gains haven't even started yet. Its only water that early on. Muscle comes later.

And really, if that's your mind set then you are setting yourself up to fail. Gains will be steady and slow. Not as slow as natural but not miracle quick. You will lose some at the end of the cycle, and at stressful times in your life when you just can't eat, sleep, or train properly. But you need to be dedicated and positive. Shit will come together slowly. It takes years.
If you don't change the mind set then halted gains or lost gains post cycle will kill you, and you will lose everything. Emotionally and physically.

P.s. If gains halt later on in the cycle then the problem is usually not enough food to keep growing.

@Inja: Ok thanks for the feedback bud, might try atleast 900mg for the first two weeks of my 600mg Testen cycle.

@Rvdw: How many weeks in are you into your cycle bro? And how are you finding the Anaps? I've heard a lot of bad from it, and to be honest and quite intimidated to use it on my second cycle.

An AI, could quite possibly minimise the effects on the growth plates. It's not certain but rather safe than sorry.

In a study done on teen boys with delayed puberty a group was treated with Test Enanthate and another group with Test Enanthate and letrozole.

The final height of boys who used test + letrozole was in the expected height range (using their parents heights to calculate) and the boys who didn't take letrozole were about 5cm under their expected height range.

If I was 19 and adamant about doing this cycle I would use letro, no question about it. With adex/aromasin E2 could still be a bit above the normal range.

Need much more than 1 case study.