Gyno with letro?

Hi guys

Hmmm, here is the my story, I have had a gyno operation all tissue removed... no signs of gyno, started a course, around 600mg EQ and 600mg test, well have been running 300mg test up untill a week ago. Been on this cycle for around 4 weeks now. I started with EQ only for the first week so I have only been using test for around 3 weeks now. From day 1 I started using Nolva 20mg p/d, then from week 2 when I started the test I have been using 2mg of Letro p/d. I stopped the nolva into the second week as I know it lowers plaza levels of Letro. Now after 4 weeks I start to see and feel soft tissue around my nipples on 2mg of letro a day? is the letro working (LP) letro. How on that dose and so low dose of test can I be getting this unless the letro is not working 1%.

I included Nolva for the last 3 days and I allready see a difference in the tissue, its not as soft. I honestly don't want to go under the knife again, why is the letro not working? I had better results on small ammounts of adex with Nolva than this?

Admin, hoping you can reply to this as you know quite a bit on this subject.

Thanks!

Letro is slow to act, but when it finally does, it can be quite strong.

Guys using Letro to dry out for competition must start the Letro 8 weeks before the show so that it has enough time to work properly.

Thanks but what must i do about this tissue that is forming i've used an entire 30ml bottle allready and allready a way through another, and i'm developing gyno? i'm scared to continue to use test? should i stop test and then just try get rid of this tissue? don't want to develop full blown gyno again?

Must I just keep using the letro at 2mg a day and use 20mg nolva? dont like this soft tissue around my nipples?

Ive never used Letro so I dont really know how fast does it need to start working but if I was you and on 2 ml of letro and 20 mg of nolva still have issues I would lower test until it starts getting better or maybe even think about stopping the cycle until you resolve issues. Most of my mates including myself use arimidex and half a tab a day from start of the cycle works like a charm but guys that are more prone usually take 1 full tab and have no issues. But from what i read about letro its supposed to be far more potent than Adex. Anyways good luck

If you have used an entire bottle without noticing an improvement then you must somehow have a progesterone issue. Also progesterone usually cause soft tissue growth around the nipple. (Puffiness)

shouldn't letro help this?

also I have just had surgery, how can I still be effected by progestrone? and i'm using eq and test which shouldn't cause progesterone sides?

Also if its progesterone how is the kessar helping it?

What about cabergoline ? could this work?

hmmm, another concern I have is that my joints are not extremly dry and it should be with the ammount of letro I have, my knees normal hurt like hell with no letro as it is, nothing has changed it seems actually better than they where... not saying the letro can prevent the dry joints... just not sure if this stuff is working, hmmmm.. who would be the best people to take it to and have it tested?

I've taken Letro for up to 2 months and never had dry joins at all.

Like I said, I don't know why and can't explain it, but it sounds more and more like progesterone. Progesterone helps to lubricate joints and that's why guys use small dosages of deca with some cycles and you claim to have less pain than normal, so your progesterone is up then...

You might have another problem that's causing progesterone related sides. When some organs are over stressed you can have hormonal problems.

Ok, just spoke to Doctari and he said that it sounds to progesterone/prolactin to him as well. He suggested that you get tests done as high progestin is sometimes a sign of cancer.

He also asked if you used Deca or Tren in the last 6 months. If yes, then that is the problem. Also Anapolon is known to stimulate estrogen and progesterone, so did you maybe use that?

He suggested that you take 2.5mg Parlodel and if the issue is not resolved I will give you his number so that you can contact him directly.

With those doses of letro you should have almost no estogen in the system and gyno really should not flare up at all... I'm with the idea of getting blood work done, if there is still a considerable amount of estrogen you know the letro is bunk and if there is no estrogen you know you got another problem. If the tamoxifen is working like you said then stick with this option while you get blood work done. It's selective properties prevents it from acting as an estrogen in breast tissue while still acting as an estrogen in other parts of the body.

Please post up blood results, this will be quite fascinating.

As an aside, did you have the gland permanently removed when you went for your op or did they just remove the surrounding breast tissue???

@ admin:I have had done blood work done for cancer cells, and nothing has shown up.

I have taken tren in the last 6 months, but small ammounts as I started getting bad sides i'd say I have used around 600mg of tren.

Let me do some research on Parlodel and go this route...

@Inja I have just had all the surrounding tissue removed. I never actually asked for that, but reading some other posts I have see reports back from people saying their surgeon state, the entire pec is has a gland so you can't just have it removed?

Thanks for all responses, I have had full blood tests done for test, not sure what else I need done?

Man its great when you get this type of feedback !!!

Think back to early years, internet non exsistant and you had to dial into a bbs... man things have become easy for sources of information.

I'm reading some weird stuff on this product, whats the bottom line for it... lower progesterone levels?

00pump wrote:

Let me do some research on Parlodel and go this route...

Your bottom line is correct yes, progesterone and prolactin

00pump wrote:

I have just had all the surrounding tissue removed. I never actually asked for that, but reading some other posts I have see reports back from people saying their surgeon state, the entire pec is has a gland so you can't just have it removed?

Yeah, I was asking cause of what I've read on the net about sunken nipples and never getting gyno again. Not sure how accurate the point is.

00pump wrote:

I have had full blood tests done for test, not sure what else I need done?

Is the blood work recent and what were your estrogen and other sex hormone levels?

Will paste later when I check the papers at home.. yes recent.

Dam, this gyno is back hectic so much soft tissue around, everytime I flex I look like shit... it looks just as bad as when I first when in for the op... oh how I hope this stuff can actually do something save up 20k for an op is just sh2t!

I will blame the Tren... get Parlodel asap. Even Cabergoline will do if you can source it.

If you can't then give me a shout and I will import some for you.

00pump wrote:

Dam, this gyno is back hectic so much soft tissue around, everytime I flex I look like shit... it looks just as bad as when I first when in for the op... oh how I hope this stuff can actually do something save up 20k for an op is just sh2t!

Sorry bro
More reason to take that much needed break I think.

Guys!!!

Brain freeze

Listen i've been taking Finpecia
Side affects: The following side-effects have been reported and frequencies are unknown: Breast tenderness, breast enlargment and testicular pain.

Please can somebody enlighten me how it creates breast growth, progesterone or what?

It can't just be estrogen or is it some other weird and unwonderful way the tissue is created? I have stopped today as I believe this could be the problem + the possible side of tren? Just need some hints to go forward, for starters i've stopped the tabs i'm getting Parlodel asap and anything else? Any idea how to treat breast enlargment by finpecia?

sweet

Alrighty,
so I pulled up some lit. Seems in clinical studies the incidence of gyno in males taking 1mg ED propecia is no higher than males taking placebo, and in 50 000 men it was 0.01% (5 men).

In cases where gyno was linked to propecia all sex hormone levels were within normal levels except for estrogen which was slightly elevated. I agree with their conclusions that this increase in estrogen levels is due to skewed metabolism of testosterone. That is to say that because testosterone cannot be metabolised to DHT when taking finpecia, more of it is converted to estrogen.

This being said there should be no reason for the finpecia to be causing gyno if your letro has been doing its job. Thus we are back at square one where I asked you to post up estrogen results of that blood work you said you got recently so we can figure out if the bottle of letro you got is bunk or not

And the bloodwork results are...
*Drum roll*
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Hmmm, I only have testosterone results... let me get blood work done ASAP for estrogen!

Thanks for the research. On my second bottle of letro and 1 quater way through still nothing better.. I need to get Parlodel but issue is that i'm on the road for the next 2 weeks so can't even get my hands on it to easly. I wonder if 2 weeks will cause perm damage *BLINK*