Letro gyno removal (log)

I've been using the letro at more moderate dosages. 0,5mg per day didn't give me any joint problems. At 1mg per day I still didn't have joint problems, but I did notice a definite decrease in libido. I'm on 1,5mg per day now, so we'll see what happens.

Just an update - after Pump suggested I up my letro dosage and add tamoxifen I did so. I've only done it for 2 days, but today is the first time in about a month that my right nipple isn't painful. It's still somewhat sensitive, but much better. The lumps are still there, though, but progress is progress... Hopefully the lumps will also go away after a while. So far, this seems to be having an effect. Will post my results again in a few days.

Great stuff!!!

Just note that in the past people used to use Tamoxifen only in treatment of Gyno at crazy doses (which is stupid) and for long periods of time (3+ months)

Another thing I would suggest is don't play to much with the area maybe once a week check it but you going to irritate that area which you don't want to do... Please make sure you take no gear during this time...

Note: my gyno is looking great, I have added Clen like I said to help strip some fat, lucky mine is just soft tissue and the lumps had already been cut out so that was 1 less thing I needed to get rid of... But I feel you need high doses of Letro to blast those lumps or at least shrink them down...

In future I will not use more than 200/300mg test on a cycle and rather just use high doses of EQ / Masteron / Winstrol and will pack on solid gains... If I do I might frontload D-bol for 2 weeks and use the Winnie near the end of the cycle or half way through....

00pump wrote:

Great stuff!!!



In future I will not use more than 200/300mg test on a cycle and rather just use high doses of EQ / Masteron / Winstrol and will pack on solid gains... If I do I might frontload D-bol for 2 weeks and use the Winnie near the end of the cycle or half way through....

What doses of test were you using on cycle and what doses of anti E?

DrTest wrote:

I've been using the letro at more moderate dosages. 0,5mg per day didn't give me any joint problems. At 1mg per day I still didn't have joint problems, but I did notice a definite decrease in libido. I'm on 1,5mg per day now, so we'll see what happens.

Just an update - after Pump suggested I up my letro dosage and add tamoxifen I did so. I've only done it for 2 days, but today is the first time in about a month that my right nipple isn't painful. It's still somewhat sensitive, but much better. The lumps are still there, though, but progress is progress... Hopefully the lumps will also go away after a while. So far, this seems to be having an effect. Will post my results again in a few days.

Good to hear. What were you using and what doses when you got the gyno and were you using an anti E?

Taking around 600/900 depending on what part of the cycle I was on and using 2.5mg Letro during that peroid and developed the gyno while on 2.5mg Letro.... I had an operation before that and had all gyno cut out so this was caused on the cycle with 2.5mg letro precaution. hectic hey

00pump wrote:

Taking around 600/900 depending on what part of the cycle I was on and using 2.5mg Letro during that peroid and developed the gyno while on 2.5mg Letro.... I had an operation before that and had all gyno cut out so this was caused on the cycle with 2.5mg letro precaution. hectic hey

Shit. Gyno on 2.5mg letro. That's a first. On that dose letro should shut down 98% of aromatase.
Do you think you weren't absorbing the letro for some reaon? Or was the letro reliable?

Yohimbe wrote:

Good to hear. What were you using and what doses when you got the gyno and were you using an anti E?

The first time I got gyno was earlier this year on a test and Winstrol cycle. I was doing 900mg of test a week. I never had any gyno problems before, even on similar doses of test, so I didn't use an anti-E. I did however keep tamoxifen at hand just for in case. What happened was that I stopped the Winstrol about 2 weeks before the test and then BAM!, worst gyno ever. Like we spoke earlier - the Winstrol seems to act as a sort of anti-E. I immediately started taking tamoxifen 20mg per day, but with no effect. I upped it to 40mg per day and it still didn't do too much. I was at the end of the cycle anyway, so I just stopped everything and did my PCT. Only after PCT did the gyno go away completely.

The gyno problem I have at the moment is not related to a cycle. The last cycle I did was almost 6 months ago (the one above). The gyno just started spontaneously about a month ago (about 4 and half months after the last cycle). I don't feel any symptoms of hypogonadism (energy levels, mood, libido etc was perfectly fine), but suspect that the gyno may be related to test levels (or T:E ratio) still being screwed up after doing several cycles in the past. As you know, it can take months for spermatogenesis and hormone levels to stabilize after doing a cycle. I suspect that even after PCT your hormone levels take a while to completely normalize again.

Thanks for all the advice Pump! It's really working. My gyno is even better today - sensitivity is gone! I'll take your advice and stick to once weekly examinations... (It's tempting however to want to feel on a daily basis if the stuff your taking is working).

00pump wrote:

In future I will not use more than 200/300mg test on a cycle and rather just use high doses of EQ / Masteron / Winstrol and will pack on solid gains... If I do I might frontload D-bol for 2 weeks and use the Winnie near the end of the cycle or half way through....

I think this is a very good way of approaching a future cycle. I was thinking the same thing... It seems that I also have some issues with E sensitivity, so in future I'll be sticking to non-aromatisable drugs with just physiological doses of test to keep all my functions up (pun intended)...

Right back to the drawing board, the sun came out and so did the heat and my nipples are still very puffy... dropping the nolva again and carrying on with 2.5mg of Letro.

*sigh*

keep it up Pump don't let it get you down

00pump wrote:

Right back to the drawing board, the sun came out and so did the heat and my nipples are still very puffy... dropping the nolva again and carrying on with 2.5mg of Letro.

*sigh*

Sorry to hear that pump.

What are your plans if this doesn't work?

00pump wrote:

Right back to the drawing board, the sun came out and so did the heat and my nipples are still very puffy... dropping the nolva again and carrying on with 2.5mg of Letro.

*sigh*

if u need some bromocriptine send me an email i will send u the 2 bottles i bought as i cant take the stuff,took it 1day felt like shit and havent used it,but if it clears ur gyno i am happy to donate...

I will give it a month and then i'll go for another op this time with a plastic surgeon and see if the gland can be removed.... then i'll just use CRAZY amounts of gear without the worry of gyno... still pissed off i paid all that cash and its back!

djeasye wrote:



if u need some bromocriptine send me an email i will send u the 2 bottles i bought as i cant take the stuff,took it 1day felt like shit and havent used it,but if it clears ur gyno i am happy to donate...[/quote]

i'll be happy to buy a bottle off you should pump not want... i suffer from similar gyno to pump (stubborn puffyness) but have never tried bromo

djeasye wrote:

00pump wrote:

Right back to the drawing board, the sun came out and so did the heat and my nipples are still very puffy... dropping the nolva again and carrying on with 2.5mg of Letro.

*sigh*

if u need some bromocriptine send me an email i will send u the 2 bottles i bought as i cant take the stuff,took it 1day felt like shit and havent used it,but if it clears ur gyno i am happy to donate...

oooooooooooooooooooo that sounds awsome, please give me e-mail again? can't find it..

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BOUNCE! time to nuke this once and for all!!! will be good info for this post too how it works, etc.. not looking forward to the first few days i'm going to hear explosions in my head!

I'm still using 1,5mg letro and 20mg tamoxifen per day. The pain in my nipples is pretty much gone (which is already a great result for me), but they're staying puffy as hell and the lumps are still there.

Gonna stick with it a while longer though. At least another month or two.

After that - surgery...

all this sounds very worrying. i am planning my first cycle end of jan next yr and have included LET in the whole cycle. was gonna include deca but worried bout it causing sides. def gonna skip it now. somehow think i am gonna be prone to gyno-

i am worried about using too much of LET and tamoxifen. our body works with a very delicate balance between all the chemicals and and somepoint when pct etc is stopped there is gonna be rebound effects. is it therefore better to have a PCT of around 3-4 months and every month from month 1 slowly tamper off the dose of the PCT and LET and slowly bring yr body back into balance and its natural Rhythmic cycle.

eg of cycle i am now considering: start LET 2 weeks b4 cycle and stick to around 3 drops M W F. with the test starting on a M at 320 mg Supertest and run HCG over whole cycle. run test till week 10. start pct with clomid HCG and Tamoxifen and slowing start stopping LEt to let Estrogen levels slowly increase in blood at from week10.
PCT:end of month 1 pct drop HCG.end of month 2 drop Clomid and start decreasing tamoxifen over month 3 and 4. so tamoixfen run over 4 months of pct at a low dose.

these are just thoughts. also considering lower dose test ove rlonger period so as not to stun the balance of the body.

*smile*

I hear your concerns but lets look closely at each topic... Firstly their will be a rebound effect with Estrogen when using stuff like Letro/Adex. However the rebound will certainly not last longer than a few weeks, and with this being said you would then move over to Nolva to help stop the rebound also it is advised to ween off the Letro. I personal in future will ween off with Letro including Nolva and then completely get off the Letro.

Deca is completely different this can have an effect on you where you develop Prolactin sides. I how ever used Deca for around 4/5 years before I ever started getting signs of Gyno. Then just 1 day it happend and its uncontrollable regardless of how safe I try to keep it. As I said in the future I will rather keen it safe on gyno sides and stick with DHT derivative agents that render their own problems.

PCT is a very well studied and the way its structured works... Keep it simple, the best way to know if something agrees and doesn't with you is to do regular blood tests.

I would use Letro daily to reach stable plazma levels, some people say it can take up to 60 days.... I would honestly not use it Mon/Wed/Fri rather ED at 3 drops which is tiny compared to the amount i consume with no success.

HCG is the stuff you need to worry about that stuff gives me bad gyno just looking at the bottle gives me gyno. I you prone to gyno there is no way I would run it through the cycle.

But in the end of the day its your body, chose wisely.

thanks PUMP! this thread is very helpful.
ya read that hcg can give bad gyno-proviron to stop right?

dude proviron is one of the weakest AI's around doesn't come close to anything that Adex and Letro can do, not even a pinch...

00pump wrote:

*smile*

I hear your concerns but lets look closely at each topic... Firstly their will be a rebound effect with Estrogen when using stuff like Letro/Adex. However the rebound will certainly not last longer than a few weeks, and with this being said you would then move over to Nolva to help stop the rebound also it is advised to ween off the Letro. I personal in future will ween off with Letro including Nolva and then completely get off the Letro.

Deca is completely different this can have an effect on you where you develop Prolactin sides. I how ever used Deca for around 4/5 years before I ever started getting signs of Gyno. Then just 1 day it happend and its uncontrollable regardless of how safe I try to keep it. As I said in the future I will rather keen it safe on gyno sides and stick with DHT derivative agents that render their own problems.

PCT is a very well studied and the way its structured works... Keep it simple, the best way to know if something agrees and doesn't with you is to do regular blood tests.

I would use Letro daily to reach stable plazma levels, some people say it can take up to 60 days.... I would honestly not use it Mon/Wed/Fri rather ED at 3 drops which is tiny compared to the amount i consume with no success.

HCG is the stuff you need to worry about that stuff gives me bad gyno just looking at the bottle gives me gyno. I you prone to gyno there is no way I would run it through the cycle.

But in the end of the day its your body, chose wisely.

Do you think HCG is worse than test for gyno? If so why?

Lets put it this way...

On 900mg of test with 2.5 mg of Letro I got mild gyno symptoms then I stopped the test for 1 week and started HCG at 1000iu every 3rd day and my gyno blew up badly. Yes some of the test must have still be active in my system but nowhere near enough for 1000iu of HCG to cause such bad puffy nipples...

It could have been a number of other variables which i'm unaware of, but as I said once I started with the HCG it really blew up.

00pump wrote:

Lets put it this way...

On 900mg of test with 2.5 mg of Letro I got mild gyno symptoms then I stopped the test for 1 week and started HCG at 1000iu every 3rd day and my gyno blew up badly. Yes some of the test must have still be active in my system but nowhere near enough for 1000iu of HCG to cause such bad puffy nipples...

It could have been a number of other variables which i'm unaware of, but as I said once I started with the HCG it really blew up.

Why do think hcg, technically, would cause gyno more so than test? Concerning as I want to use hcg next cycle for first time. I remember reading on another board about hcg being terrible for gyno, but there seems to be no other reason I can find other than normal aromatase from the lh increases test production. I would have thought 900mg test would have been far more potent that any test increase from hcg.

Were you running the letro during the hcg use? I also read on another board that anti E don't work for hcg, but that doesn't make sense to me as the estrogen is from the aromatase of test. They never explained their theory on this on the other board, just stated it.