Cycle advice - Rugby

I would think equi should be great option with what he is aiming for. Fits into my goals as well. Why would some suggest using stanazol rather than equi for his purposes? The elevated red blood cel count should help with his endurence as well as recovery. Supertest and equi sounds ideal from what i've read about them

there's nothing wrong with that at all in my mind.
reason I suggested the winny was in response to minority's original post saying he doesn't want to sacrifice speed for size.
the winny will give him that explosive power and won't put on as much mass as other compounds being suggested.
the only drawback will obviously be the joint issue which I'm sure can be overcome with a good joint support supplement?

I agree with Jayman.
I still think he should keep the winny and drop the equi, just do super test and winny with a joint supplement such as jayman says.

Im sure Minority is bloody confuzzled by now.

SNOK1986 wrote:

I agree with Jayman.
I still think he should keep the winny and drop the equi, just do super test and winny with a joint supplement such as jayman says.

Im sure Minority is bloody confuzzled by now.

hahahaha I know I would be :laugh:
Minority, why don't you tell us what you're thoughts are on this?
everything that you've learnt up untill now should give you some insight into what you should use to benefit yourself.
also, having to really think for yourself will help you understand and learn much faster

Minority are you going to be taking gear while u playing rugby in season or is this for off season?

I have used winny numerous times and from my experience it gave me a lot of explosive speed and power!! But i was just concerned about the joint issue
We had a good rugby session yesterday (Sprints), im already faster than any back that was there yesterday. I think im gonna stick with the equi and test, just don't know which oral i should throw in there or if i should drop the orals altogether?

ok so you've used it before with good results?
were you taking a joint support supplement during this time?

Nope, never used joint supplements before....

minority wrote:

I have used winny numerous times and from my experience it gave me a lot of explosive speed and power!! But i was just concerned about the joint issue
We had a good rugby session yesterday (Sprints), im already faster than any back that was there yesterday. I think im gonna stick with the equi and test, just don't know which oral i should throw in there or if i should drop the orals altogether?

If u have made up ur mind, no problem, just remember the equi is slow acting u might have to run it for 15 weeks.

If u dont mind me asking are u from kwa zulu natal?

I may stand corrected here but if the joint issue is you're only worry and the winny has def worked for you in the past then why not run it again with some test and a good joint supp?

Ok i think il go with the test, equi, winny, and a joint supp, can you please suggest some good Joint supps that i can use

Thank you very much Jayman!

Im from PTA snok

PTA u bloody blou bull bustid :laugh: Just kiddin...

End of the day Min its up to u to choose.

I suppose experimenting with dif stuff is not a bad thing but Jayman has a point.

hahaha HEY! I'm a bloody blou bull! :laugh:
yeah man as snok said at the end of the day you gotta make up you're own mind
good joint support supps (I use alot of these coz of my knee) would either be arhtro guard or the new joint support from ssn (surprisingly very good)

LOL! snok >.< im an epic Bulls fan hey

Ye il give this cycle a run soon and see how it works out for me, il keep posting my cycle status and results.

Thanks again guys!

No problem man..

Just one thing the lions have got Carlos Spencer - is that oak still alive? :laugh:

Hahaha Ja! i read about that the other day! think he's gonna make a difference? If can still play like back in the day, then the lions might have a better year...Will be good to watch!

AHHAHAHA - Ja i think he will make a difference...His experience and skills will def play a hand in bettering them...How much it will better them this year i dont know.

Also Andre Pretorius(spelling) is playing for the western force what is this world coming too HAHHAHA

Guys i've tried winstrol with joint supplements,efa's even with npp,it doesn't help at all,winstrol WILL DRY YOUR JOINTS OUT.same as anavar and letro,i have had tendonitis in my elbows and heavy shoulder joint problems because of using 20mg of winstrol,0.25mg letro every other day on a cycle...as a rule,if u are doing contact sports stay away from the winstrol it will leech your joints and tendons of fluids that are needed to keep you lubricated...

AAAWWWWEEE FEK! ok Dj i guess im gonna follow your suggestion and drop the winny and rather add dbol in there, il keep you posted on my results, thanks Dj!

djeasye wrote:

Guys i've tried winstrol with joint supplements,efa's even with npp,it doesn't help at all,winstrol WILL DRY YOUR JOINTS OUT.same as anavar and letro,i have had tendonitis in my elbows and heavy shoulder joint problems because of using 20mg of winstrol,0.25mg letro every other day on a cycle...as a rule,if u are doing contact sports stay away from the winstrol it will leech your joints and tendons of fluids that are needed to keep you lubricated...

Have to agree, those compounds dry you out. That's that. Nothing helps.

Can we summarize some pro's and cons for minoriti's purposes between running equi with test or winni with test. This will be very informative for me as well:

advantageos of equi over winni:
1. No dry joints
2. Higher red blood cell count= quicker recovery + better endurence
3. easier on the body (less liver toxic)

Advantageos of winni over equi:
1. Quicker strength gains
2. less water retention


Pls continue with list

winni is toxic to the liver.

Winny is liver toxic and bad on lipid profiles. It is very effective, but harsh on joints. It's one of the best compounds for speed and explosive power (most abused by sprinters-remember Ben Johnson 88 Olympics)
The metabolites also stay in the blood for quite a while despite it being fast acting, so if you're being tested, not the best thing.

I'm also a little wary of winny, esp for contact sports. I definitely won't run it without NPP again. NPP is miracle stuff for the joints-I used winny with test only and had to stop after 2 weeks as my joints were killing me. When I ran it again with NPP, my joints felt better than they had in years despite the winny.
The EQ also increases collagen synthesis dramatically, better than nandrolene, but in my experience doesn't have the same soothing effect on your joints that NPP has. Maybe it's something to do with water retention in the joint coupled with the collagen synthesis.

Winny actually increases collagen synthesis, but it makes the cross fibres very brittle and prone to injury.

Your options IMO are
1. Test, EQ and dbol. You may gain some size from this and will need to keep estrogen low (not too low) to stop any water retention. Strength gains will be adequate but not as good as with winny.

2. Test, NPP and winny. Will increase strength dramatically, but joints are a serious concern, which should be offset to a certain extent with the NPP

3. Test, EQ and masteron. Masteron is very similar to winny, but doesn't hammer the joints as much, but is a dht compound so will provide similar explosive strength gains to winny, albeit, not as effective in my experience.

Would i be right in asuming that for cyclists the test with winni option would not be great since your knees will be killing you?

ABC01 wrote:

Would i be right in asuming that for cyclists the test with winni option would not be great since your knees will be killing you?

Steroids are not really ideal for cyclists or long distance-the steroids we're discussing here are for explosive bursts of power, not really endurance. EQ as a steroid with some test would be best bet for the increase in red blood cells and subsequent oxygen transport, but not going to help a great deal.

EPO is the drug of choice for endurance athletes. It's actually a peptide and not a steroid.

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