Would value your opinions on this cycle

Yo, hmm, doubt anyone could go on a cycle that they don't get some sort of water retention / estrogen sides. As you know Letro has a long half life, so try out 0.25mg every other day or every 3rd day. As they say precaution is better than cure, I have been a test subject for quite some time now with gyno and I have found you can't revert it unless you go under the knife. Also at that dose you talking about you will get no problems with sex drive, etc.

SNOK1986 wrote:

Im not pump but im just saying i would do it just in case, u know the saying rather be safe than sorry...

BTW on this topic had a mate on 900mg of testen a week..started suffering from sensitive nipples a bit puffy...he caught it early droppped the test to 600mg a week and used letro .25mg ed..all symptons gone... went back to 900mg a week...with letro .25mg ed nipples starting flaring up again...

Now could that be from to much test or does he need to increase the letro or shud he keep the test at 600mg a week?

Hmm, please read the thread on Letro does it actually work. I have the same issue and it also flares up when I jump to the 900mg mark. I have clearly found that I can't use over 600mg any further. I am going to try to start using Adex, I don't feel the increase in dose will do much on letro, as I don't notice much difference in fighting gyno from .5 to 1.0mg except the dry joints and lack of sex drive. He will need to explore other ways and other drugs, higher doses of EQ and include other drugs like masteron, etc if he wants to achieve a higher anabolic ratio without the sides of the test.

Thanks Snookums and Pump, will start taking the Letro as a precaution. I presume the Letro(clear bottle) that I got from LP last year May will still be fine to use?
0,25mg letro = 2 drops ??

00pump wrote:

SNOK1986 wrote:

Im not pump but im just saying i would do it just in case, u know the saying rather be safe than sorry...

BTW on this topic had a mate on 900mg of testen a week..started suffering from sensitive nipples a bit puffy...he caught it early droppped the test to 600mg a week and used letro .25mg ed..all symptons gone... went back to 900mg a week...with letro .25mg ed nipples starting flaring up again...

Now could that be from to much test or does he need to increase the letro or shud he keep the test at 600mg a week?

Hmm, please read the thread on Letro does it actually work. I have the same issue and it also flares up when I jump to the 900mg mark. I have clearly found that I can't use over 600mg any further. I am going to try to start using Adex, I don't feel the increase in dose will do much on letro, as I don't notice much difference in fighting gyno from .5 to 1.0mg except the dry joints and lack of sex drive. He will need to explore other ways and other drugs, higher doses of EQ and include other drugs like masteron, etc if he wants to achieve a higher anabolic ratio without the sides of the test.

Alright thanks pump...will check it out...

Why adex btw easyer to control or what? thought adex was a weaker AI...

I'd rather do 3 drops and its actually 2.5 drops that you can't do to get 0.25mg

SNOK1986 wrote:

00pump wrote:

SNOK1986 wrote:

Im not pump but im just saying i would do it just in case, u know the saying rather be safe than sorry...

BTW on this topic had a mate on 900mg of testen a week..started suffering from sensitive nipples a bit puffy...he caught it early droppped the test to 600mg a week and used letro .25mg ed..all symptons gone... went back to 900mg a week...with letro .25mg ed nipples starting flaring up again...

Now could that be from to much test or does he need to increase the letro or shud he keep the test at 600mg a week?

Hmm, please read the thread on Letro does it actually work. I have the same issue and it also flares up when I jump to the 900mg mark. I have clearly found that I can't use over 600mg any further. I am going to try to start using Adex, I don't feel the increase in dose will do much on letro, as I don't notice much difference in fighting gyno from .5 to 1.0mg except the dry joints and lack of sex drive. He will need to explore other ways and other drugs, higher doses of EQ and include other drugs like masteron, etc if he wants to achieve a higher anabolic ratio without the sides of the test.

Alright thanks pump...will check it out...

Why adex btw easyer to control or what? thought adex was a weaker AI...

If you read that article you will see why. I have a feeling that Letro is more powerful in a way but not to control higher doses of gear. I can't answer this for 100% certain until I test Adex. I will try adex at 1mg p/d and see if it handles the dose of test at 900+ mg per week. All the studies done for Letro is tested with ones natrual estrogen levels nothing to do with gear. So it might be able to supress 98% of natrual estrogen but no where near that ammount when you on a cycle. And I can tell you for certain it does not supress any more estrogen a dose of .5 to 1mg to 2.5mg. I ran 2.5mg per day from 1 week before my last cycle and my gyno still flared up on 900mg of test drop to 600mg all is fine. Now I am using 0.5mg of Letro on 600mg and the same result its 100% fine jump to 900mg it falres up. So my conclusion is Letro is not any further effective over .5mg p/d and that is the reason for testing Adex. Maybe on paper its not as strong but using higher doses might be effective where Letro it is not.

Ahhhhh okay...makes sense...

WOW you say gyno prone... u bloody brave to be the test dummy...

Will check that thread out now..

I used to be able to cycle a gram of a test a week with no SERM or no AI and have no other side effects except, bloat, head aches from the blood pressure, etc.

Now I have allready had a gyno op and this is when my gyno came back on 2.5mg letro per day and 900mg test. So now i'm going to be a test subject until I know for 100% certain what works and doesn't. Once I am happy I will go for another op, I do not want to go 3 times under the knife however, once was bad enough and hurt like crap and not to forget to mention its quite a wack of change the whole operation, close on 20k a pop. I have the gyno now so I will continue to test without care until I go for the next op when I will then make certain this does not happen again.

00pump wrote:

I used to be able to cycle a gram of a test a week with no SERM or no AI and have no other side effects except, bloat, head aches from the blood pressure, etc.

Now I have allready had a gyno op and this is when my gyno came back on 2.5mg letro per day and 900mg test. So now i'm going to be a test subject until I know for 100% certain what works and doesn't. Once I am happy I will go for another op, I do not want to go 3 times under the knife however, once was bad enough and hurt like crap and not to forget to mention its quite a wack of change the whole operation, close on 20k a pop. I have the gyno now so I will continue to test without care until I go for the next op when I will then make certain this does not happen again.

All i can say is RESPECT! i know i would of quit and stoppped all anabolics after what u have gone through... good luck and keep all of us updated as this is very interesting...

Call me paranoid, but I'm on my fourth day of the above-mentioned cycle and think I may be getting gyno - or I'm going crazy. Today I noticed that the tip of my one nipple is appearing oval in shape and a little "puffy". Is that normal or is that a sign of gyno?

To repeat, cycle is:

Andropen 275 (10ml) 6 weeks 1.5ml weekly
Stanazol Tabs 100 (10mg)tabs 6 weeks 3 tabs daily
Proviron 50 (25mg) tabs 6 weeks one daily

I've only had one shot of Andropen so far?

Could I really be getting gyno or is it just my imagination? Trainer says I should add Nolvadex to the cycle if it is the start of gyno indeed.

Would appreciate some feedback!

Thats the first sign of gyno symptoms, catch it early..dont use nolva thats for your PCT, u need something like arimidex or letro to combat the gyno...

I would go for arimidex first if that doesnt work go for letro...

I disagree a bit. I would run a SERM such as Nolva/Kessar right away. It will stop the gyno. You can then run an AI like A-dex afterward.

But I also highly doubt that you would develop gyno after one shot. Don't think estrogen levels are that high already. So in conclusion I think you are paranoid.

But if you think you've got gyno go ahead with the SERM and AI as I suggested.

SNOK1986 wrote:

Thats the first sign of gyno symptoms, catch it early..dont use nolva thats for your PCT, u need something like arimidex or letro to combat the gyno...

I would go for arimidex first if that doesnt work go for letro...

What if I added the nolva to my proviron, won't that help?

milktuds wrote:

I disagree a bit. I would run a SERM such as Nolva/Kessar right away. It will stop the gyno. You can then run an AI like A-dex afterward.

But I also highly doubt that you would develop gyno after one shot. Don't think estrogen levels are that high already. So in conclusion I think you are paranoid.

But if you think you've got gyno go ahead with the SERM and AI as I suggested.

My trainer says I should add Nolva to my proviron.

It may be paranoia, but my round nipple is definitely oval shaped now. See attached and be the judge - one is right, one is left. (File Removed)

Near impossible after one shot while concurrently using proviron and winstrol. Your paranoia is bigger than your chest. Happy lifting.

You may be holding a bit of a fat? That can give false signs of having gyno