Test E + Equi + Test prop Cycle

The reason for the 2x weekly inspuit of 250iu HCG is so that you can recover faster once you start your PCT.
It will obviously be used 1-2 weeks after your last pin.

according to some... HCG is not even used for PCT.

Only the Clomid and Novla counts.

Or do I have it wrong???

jacquespa wrote:

milktuds wrote:

SNOK1986 wrote:

@ milktuds - Why 30 days?

I don't think he'll recover of 2 weeks of Kessar after such a long cycle, even with HCG. 30 days has always been the norm.

upon researching and forms reading I would think this is the norm for a kessar PCT

3 weeks min... @ week 1 40mg ED, week 2 20mg ED and week 3 20mg ED..

thats just my thought.

40mg/day is too high. Your PCT is HCG + Kessar.
HCG can be used during or before PCT as long as it is part of it.

jacquespa wrote:

The reason for the 2x weekly inspuit of 250iu HCG is so that you can recover faster once you start your PCT.
It will obviously be used 1-2 weeks after your last pin.

according to some... HCG is not even used for PCT.

Only the Clomid and Novla counts.

Or do I have it wrong???

HCG for me is number one before tamoxifen or clomiphene.

HCG brings ur natural tets levels back to twhere they were before u started ur course.

HCG in my eyes is critical.

HCG should be part yes.... I wil never run PCT without it.

but running it during will make it easier for the receovery process to start when your PCT starts.

running the Kessar and/or Clomid is a must.

better? or still wrong?

jacquespa wrote:

HCG should be part yes.... I wil never run PCT without it.

but running it during will make it easier for the receovery process to start when your PCT starts.

running the Kessar and/or Clomid is a must.

better? or still wrong?

Yes starting the HCG early will help the recovery.

I think running HCG,kesser and clomid is over kill. Just the HCG and kesser will be fine.

jacquespa

Let me know how your cycle goes.

I am starting my Equi, test e and masterone cycle in a months time.

I know its crap because you dont get the equi and test e in single amps, and not everyones budget can really fit to get more gear, I shortened my course a little for time being, but thats 2 months down the line, if my budget gets better you can always extend it wont do harm. :silly:

Roozer wrote:

jacquespa

Let me know how your cycle goes.

I am starting my Equi, test e and masterone cycle in a months time.

I know its crap because you dont get the equi and test e in single amps, and not everyones budget can really fit to get more gear, I shortened my course a little for time being, but thats 2 months down the line, if my budget gets better you can always extend it wont do harm. :silly:

True Dat!

What does your cycle looks like?

week 1-2 frontload dianabol 50mg ed
week 1-2 Test e 300mg pw
week 3-11 Test e 600mg pw
week 1-10 masterone 150mg pw
week 6-11 Equipoise 700mg pw
week 1-8 Adex 0.5 EOD
week 8-9 Clen tabs 80mcg and week 11-12 80 mcg
week 9-12 Stanzolol tabs 50 mg ED

Still debating on whether to take my hcg in the middel of the course because the dosages are not that high.
but if I take it, it will be week 7-12 500 iu once a week
then start pct 250 Eod for week 13-14
kessar week 13-16 20 mg ED

This is the general idea of the course. dont want to start directly on 600 mg of test i like to take it slow for the first 2 weeks personal choice other guys will not agree hehehehe.

But stil adjusting :woohoo:

Roozer wrote:

week 1-2 frontload dianabol 50mg ed
week 1-2 Test e 300mg pw
week 3-11 Test e 600mg pw
week 1-10 masterone 150mg pw
week 6-11 Equipoise 700mg pw
week 1-8 Adex 0.5 EOD
week 8-9 Clen tabs 80mcg and week 11-12 80 mcg
week 9-12 Stanzolol tabs 50 mg ED

Still debating on whether to take my hcg in the middel of the course because the dosages are not that high.
but if I take it, it will be week 7-12 500 iu once a week
then start pct 250 Eod for week 13-14
kessar week 13-16 20 mg ED

This is the general idea of the course. dont want to start directly on 600 mg of test i like to take it slow for the first 2 weeks personal choice other guys will not agree hehehehe.

But stil adjusting :woohoo:

It looks really good.

Just a few what I would change?
Kickstart... not frontload. Frontloading is dubble the dose I.E you running 600mg p/w... thus frontloading first shot with 1200mg.

Maybe split the Hcg into 2x p/w shots of 250iu's... but thats just me.

The Equi is too short for it to do its job. minimum of 12weeks is what most says.

what is the reason for using Adex?? Ive red so much that it helps with something.... but not sure what?

SNOK1986 wrote:

jacquespa wrote:

The reason for the 2x weekly inspuit of 250iu HCG is so that you can recover faster once you start your PCT.
It will obviously be used 1-2 weeks after your last pin.

according to some... HCG is not even used for PCT.

Only the Clomid and Novla counts.

Or do I have it wrong???

HCG for me is number one before tamoxifen or clomiphene.

HCG brings ur natural tets levels back to twhere they were before u started ur course.

HCG in my eyes is critical.

"HCG stimulates the Leydig cells and increases the LH (Leutenizing Hormone)level via your main hormonal axis thus increasing Leydig cell activity and Testosterone output. Kessar or Clomid suppresses the negative feedback loop in the estrogen production cascade, resulting in higher LH and FSH levels. The higher LH level stimulates the Leydig cells, producing more testosterone and the FSH stimulates the Sertoli cells, producing more sperm." - Doctari

Jacquespa wrote:

Just a few what I would change?
Kickstart... not frontload. Frontloading is dubble the dose I.E you running 600mg p/w... thus frontloading first shot with 1200mg.

Check my personal quotes hahaha. hate computers.

Bud like i said at first this suits the budget but i am hoping my april month will be a good one. then i will throw in anoter equi and test e to increase my cycle 5 more weeks.

and yes your right sorry was chatting with someone mind is at 2 places at once but you get my drift. kickstart frontload sounds the same to me hahaha, my bad.

adex i use it to bring the water down and the gyno its a AI
to quote the scientific reading

"Arimidex (Anastrozole) is what we call an aromatase inhibitor (AI). In clinical use, it´s used to halt the progression of Breast Cancer in women. It works by blocking the aromatase enzyme, which is responsible for the production of estrogen. In athletics and bodybuilding, it is used as an ancillary compound to be added to a cycle of Anabolic Steroids. In this respect it is also used for its estrogen reducing properties, but it has the additional benefit of increasing testosterone levels"

Dont want the saggy boobies buddie hahaha and I get it easily.

just something personal as DJ said if the diet is right and carbs are not to high you wont get that much water retension.

Thanks Rooz!

milktuds wrote:

SNOK1986 wrote:

jacquespa wrote:

The reason for the 2x weekly inspuit of 250iu HCG is so that you can recover faster once you start your PCT.
It will obviously be used 1-2 weeks after your last pin.

according to some... HCG is not even used for PCT.

Only the Clomid and Novla counts.

Or do I have it wrong???

HCG for me is number one before tamoxifen or clomiphene.

HCG brings ur natural tets levels back to twhere they were before u started ur course.

HCG in my eyes is critical.

"HCG stimulates the Leydig cells and increases the LH (Leutenizing Hormone)level via your main hormonal axis thus increasing Leydig cell activity and Testosterone output. Kessar or Clomid suppresses the negative feedback loop in the estrogen production cascade, resulting in higher LH and FSH levels. The higher LH level stimulates the Leydig cells, producing more testosterone and the FSH stimulates the Sertoli cells, producing more sperm." - Doctari

Would have to go with Tuds
I would rather go with Nolva and no HCG, than HCG and no Nolva, my 2c

Bump on that point BB_guy!

Hey Guys.....

How about if I start with the Sust250 and then switch over to the Test E??

diddo for the Deca and then switch over to the Equi??

I might as well use them if I have them... and it will contribute to the test being 16weeks and the equi being 12weeks.....

for you who don't understand please look at my first post....

Here is what you could do with the Goodies you have

Week 1-14 Test E - 600mg/week
Week 1 Sust - 500mg (this would be your frontload)
Week 15 and 16 - 100mg+ EOD (while long esters clear)

As for the Equi if you drop the weekly total down to +- 500mg or(525mg) you should have enough to run it 13 weeks

:laugh:

Plan your cycle around the EQ and TESTE.
In the first week empty your 2 vials of sustenon and deca WITH the TestE/EQ.

Enjoy the ride and stop being so confused.

Makes sense jackrabbit I would also bump the deca and sus in week one nice kickstart.

rather than to put it in the end and delaying your pct.

Strengths buds keep us in touch with results. @ jacquespa

And believe me ask all the questions you can I learned alot from these okes, the really know what their talking about.

Thanks alot guys.... tuds,bb_guy!

I will keep up to date!

Just another question though.....

With my cycle that I just completed that I started in begining Jan en ended 28 Feb....

1ml Test E @ 1ml p/w (300mg/ml)
1ml Equi @ 1ml p/w (350mg/ml)

and PCT of Clomid 25mg ED and Nolva 40/20/20

Can I start my cycle again in May or should I wait a bit...

just wondering cause I feel that the doses wasn't that High and my PCT I think was ok for that cycle. My body should be ready by that time,

Also keep in mind that I stopped ALL supplements, Creatine and stuff... just clean food.

what do you guys think?

A good protocol to follow, if you aren't getting blood-work done would be, Length of Cycle + Length of PCT = Time off

I agree!

but what would one do in this situation....

14weeks of test with Deca for 12weeks....

start winstrol and clen from week 15-17 (just an example)

and then the PCT is started from week 18.

In some cases a cycle is run like this but IMO that is not right because you should start your PCT 2weeks after your last pin of test...

would one not keep the gains and delay recovery if a protocal of the correct PCT is not followed?

Not sure if I understand your Q
The theory with Winny till long Esters clear goes something like this...
Start the Winny 2 weeks before your last injection and continue for 2 weeks afterward, so you will stay anabolic while the Test clears and can start PCT the day after you stop the Winny
Hope that helps

like bb said start the wins and clen on week 12 to 16 getting the winny in earlier but and start pct maybe on the week 17, two weeks after your test and with win and clen you would drop nice water and dry up. thats what i would do IMO. i feel 4 weeks of winstrol helps me much better than just say 2 weeks but then again i was only on tabs feel they work better. hate water based. like test supsension DAMN THAT SHIT SUCKS. never again :blink:

Hey The Father of Jaques, Welcome...

Everybody pretty much covered the basics so lets just recap.

1. You basically ran your cycle for 2months and PCT for another month. Yes the doses were lower but that's not the point... Your organs need a break either way, side effects from the next cycl will only be worse if your break is shorter and compound problems on your liver and kidneys. Wait 3 months before your next cycle, so that'll put it somewhere around July. Also, you will find the longer your break, the better your gains.

2. If your using two amps of Sust in your cycle throw it into the beginning. 250mg once or twice a week for the first 1/2 weeks. It'll help to get the cycle going, though I would prefer 4 weeks of sust for this. I'm not sure if you have 2 amps of Deca or several weeks worth? If it's two amps save it till you get more Deca for another cycle, it's not relly helping with this. If you have several weeks worth then you can use it at low doses to ease your joints in the cycle, or again, leave it till the next cycle.

3. Your runnning the Testen for 16 weeks, then run the EQ at 16 weeks as well, you will really get the best out of this compound the longer you run it. Drop the dose to ~500mg or whatever per week to facilitate this. With your 600mg a week this is still a gram of gear a week which is more than enough for your current level. In fact I actually think its too much. I would think 750mg a week total gear is more than enough for your weight and your third cycle.

4. You can throw in 3/4 weeks of orals after the last pin and delay the start of PCT.. This is because the orals will keep you anabolic. Then hit the HCG and overlap it into kessar. Run 3 or 4 weeks of any SERM after the HCG to prevent LH drop and test crash. You don't need tamoxifen and clomiphene. But some run both as a precaution. If you run HCG on cycle you don't have to run it in PCT but I certainly prefer it ie: I run the HCG for a week or two while test clears or after orals, then add in my SERM of choice.

4. A-dex is an A.I. You can use any A.I to keep estrogen low during cycle which will not only prevent estro related side effects but also make recovery smoother (limiting estrogen or blocking it's negative feedback is part of the principle of PCT). Just make sure you have a few weeks of SERM in your PCT post A.I. usage as these drugs will lead to increased expression of CYP19 and thus an estrogen surge following their cessation which will lead to a test crash.

Think that covers everything.