First cycle? *Cycle added for comment*

silent4now wrote:

BB_guy wrote:

silent4now wrote:

Will do that

What sort of organ support should I use during my cycle?

Milk thistle for d-bol correct?

Yebo, also keep water intake high, 3+ liters should be ok

Add in a Multi, Vit C, Vit E, calcium etc just for overall health

Ok, currently I use animalpak once a day, it already contains vit E, a little c, milk thistle etc etc

Should I be taking additional Vits and thistle?

milktuds wrote:

And Cranberry Extract, Essentiale, Omega 3 and you're good to go.

Cranberry extract, where do I get it and whats the benefit

Essentiale...for what symptoms or daily?

Omega 3...getting it with animalpak

On cycle use: 1-3G Vit C; 1-2 Caps Cranberry Extract, 1000IU Vit E; 6000mg Omega 3; 3-9 Caps Essentiale; Multivitamin and Milk Thistle.

During PCT up Vit C & E intake. Vit C 3-5g and Vit E 2000-3000IU

All obtainable from the pharmacy.

Ok, so here is what I mangaed to refine my first cycle to that I'll be running at the beginning of next year

Cycle
Week 1-4: D-bol @ 50mg pd
Week 1-12: Test Enanthate @ 600mg/week
Week 1-12: Arimidex @ 0.5mg (half tab) eod
Week 1-12: HCG (Ovidrel) @ 500iu eod

PCT

Week 13-14: HCG (Ovidrel) @ 1500iu per week (split in 3)
Week 15: Nolvadex @ 50mg pd
Week 16-18: Nolvadex @ 25mg pd

Support
Milk thistle @ 3 tabs pd
Cranberry extract @ 3 tabs pd
Animal pak @ 2 paks pd
Omega 3 tabs @ 9000mg pd

Any criticism welcome

looks good but can you get the ari liquid ? lasts longer and usually 1/4 tab dose is enough

hcg i would throw in round week 6 then at the end , i have never run it eod throughout

you guys can shoot me but just a good multi vit instead of wasting alot of money on animal packs , they good just not that amount of money good.

throw in vit c at 2g a day

get evening primrose oil and fish oil instead of omega 3 , i take a 2 to one ratio, 4 g evening primrose and 2g fish oil a day.


just my 2 c good luck, look sgood and you going to be happy, train hard eat clean and hard and get lotsa rest.

bump on gearedup, i would start the hcg on week 7 on 2 shots of 250iu a week on that dose. The rest all looks great you wont be dissapointed if you stick to the plan

Strongs bud

Nice one
Dbol is gonna give you loads of water at that dose...

Just thinking aloud ... would run the Adex till you finished HCG use in week 13-14, you stopped Adex week 12, you might have slight rebound and you introducing HCG 500iu 3X a week which is also going to aromatise...

silent4now wrote:

Cycle
Week 1-4: D-bol @ 25mg pd
Week 1-12: Test Enanthate @ 600mg/week
Week 1-14: Arimidex @ 0.25mg eod
Week 7-12: HCG (Ovidrel) @ 250iu (2 times per week)

PCT

Week 13-14: HCG (Ovidrel) @ 1500iu per week (split in 3)
Week 15: Nolvadex @ 50mg pd
Week 16-18: Nolvadex @ 25mg pd

Support
Milk thistle @ 3 tabs pd
Cranberry extract @ 3 tabs pd
Animal pak @ 2 paks pd
Omega 3 tabs @ 9000mg pd

Any criticism welcome

How does it look now?

@ Geared: Isnt fish oil = omega 3 or does it incl 6 & 9 aswell?

@ Roozer - How does hcg look now?

@ BB_guy - d-bol dropped to 25mg..?

Looks good, but I think you can stick with the dbol at 50mg per day and keep the adex at 0.5mg EOD. Have you cycled before with dbol and test?
If so how was the water retention and estrogen that time around?

yes fish oils omega 3 evening primrose 6

Yohimbe wrote:

Looks good, but I think you can stick with the dbol at 50mg per day and keep the adex at 0.5mg EOD. Have you cycled before with dbol and test?
If so how was the water retention and estrogen that time around?

Nope, never done anything before...like the title of my thread suggests

silent4now wrote:

Yohimbe wrote:

Looks good, but I think you can stick with the dbol at 50mg per day and keep the adex at 0.5mg EOD. Have you cycled before with dbol and test?
If so how was the water retention and estrogen that time around?

Nope, never done anything before...like the title of my thread suggests

Guess I should have read that :blush:

Then play it safe with 0.5EOD and start the dbol at 30mg and the build up after the first week after you know your tolerance

nothing like moonface to shout i have arrived

Like i was advised a while back.

from week 7-12 500iu p/week split in 2, lets say on mon,thurs.

then start your pct i would hit it 500iu EOD with the kessar starting on 20mg ED till finished. Thats my 2 cent

i read up a lot about these things on the past few days, i decided to wait until later in my life to use gear and rather go natural now on a better healthier diet and learn to gym correctly with proper form first.

ok on the topic:
50mg/d of dbol is a lot for a first timer, 20mg/d for the first week will do just fine or just stick on 30mg/d (1 with breakfast,1 with lunch and 1 with dinner- but one of them should be about an hour before u gym).

Seems like u have quite a lot of money to spend on this cycle so if i was you i would run deca (@300 to 450mg/w) with it just for some solid gains and to help ur joints cos they gonna be under a lot of pressure with the sudden increase in strength. It also has very little side effects with the most prolific one (deca dick) being sorted by taking test.

12 weeks is also quite a long time, u have the commitment to do it but why push it for that long for the first cycle, the longer u do it the more u damage ur lipid profile although it goes back to normal it is in my view the worst side effect of gear on the body, 10weeks should be fine max i say and it should give the enth and deca good time to show u excellent results!

OnlyUseB12 wrote:

i read up a lot about these things on the past few days, i decided to wait until later in my life to use gear and rather go natural now on a better healthier diet and learn to gym correctly with proper form first.

ok on the topic:
50mg/d of dbol is a lot for a first timer, 20mg/d for the first week will do just fine or just stick on 30mg/d (1 with breakfast,1 with lunch and 1 with dinner- but one of them should be about an hour before u gym).

Seems like u have quite a lot of money to spend on this cycle so if i was you i would run deca (@300 to 450mg/w) with it just for some solid gains and to help ur joints cos they gonna be under a lot of pressure with the sudden increase in strength. It also has very little side effects with the most prolific one (deca dick) being sorted by taking test.

12 weeks is also quite a long time, u have the commitment to do it but why push it for that long for the first cycle, the longer u do it the more u damage ur lipid profile although it goes back to normal it is in my view the worst side effect of gear on the body, 10weeks should be fine max i say and it should give the enth and deca good time to show u excellent results!

bro can i just say something,dont hand out advice to anyone when u havent completed your first cycle yet,i wouldnt take advice from u and i've been using chemicals for the last 5 years... read,educate yourself but dont try and educate others...you post and i quote 12 weeks is also quite a long time, u have the commitment to do it but why push it for that long for the first cycle, the longer u do it the more u damage ur lipid profile although it goes back to normal it is in my view the worst side effect of gear on the body, 10weeks should be fine max i say and it should give the enth and deca good time to show u excellent results has no merrit as u dont know what u are reading about and the effects on your body as u havent done any cycles...

Agree with DJ, dude you can't give advice if you haven't done a cycle yet. Anthony Roberts in the making.

I understand what you mean but am i wrong in what i said concerning the dbol dose and usage and that deca will be a good thing to add as its very safe with nice results especially if he has the money. And where do you guys rate the effects on ur body among the sides of gear? So u have to use it before ur opinion counts? Well seeing that everyone reacts differently i dont see how ur PERSONAL experience counts anymore than all the other people's ive read up on. my 2cents

OnlyUseB12 wrote:

I understand what you mean but am i wrong in what i said concerning the dbol dose and usage and that deca will be a good thing to add as its very safe with nice results especially if he has the money. And where do you guys rate the effects on ur body among the sides of gear? So u have to use it before ur opinion counts? Well seeing that everyone reacts differently i dont see how ur PERSONAL experience counts anymore than all the other people's ive read up on. my 2cents

BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA :laugh: :woohoo: :lol:

bud just read uo do research the okes here know what they are talking about. If you dont have personal experience then dont give advise that is my 3 CENTS

Maybe because we have tried various compounds at different dosages to see/feel/test different effects and notice sides as well.

OnlyUseB12 wrote:

I understand what you mean but am i wrong in what i said concerning the dbol dose and usage.20mg/d for the first week will do just fine or just stick on 30mg/d (1 with breakfast,1 with lunch and 1 with dinner- but one of them should be about an hour before u gym). actually no,u should essentially split your dbol up to 1 every 4-6 hours so thats the half life of the substance,so if there are 24 hours in a day u should devide that by 6 hours and take that many a day in my opinion anything over 40-50mg dbol is over kill hence the reason i suggest only 40mg-50mg a fday. and that deca will be a good thing to add as its very safe with nice results especially if he has the money.how do u know its safe? what happens if he suffers from progresterone based side effects and ends up with progesterone based gyno? do u know how to combat that?do u know that using kessar can actually spur this even more? And where do you guys rate the effects on ur body among the sides of gear?what the fuck are u asking here? So u have to use it before ur opinion counts?yes,u have no personal experience using any substance so how can u comment on them. Well seeing that everyone reacts differently i dont see how ur PERSONAL experience counts anymore than all the other people's ive read up on.everyone may react differntly but there are common side effects,some people may suffer from deca sides,some people dont,deca can be safe for some and very fucked up for others,u are 17 dude,i wouldnt ask u for any advice coming to gear. its like u telling me how to drive when u dont even know how to ride a bike properly. sit and listen and absorb and only look like an idiot instead of opening your mouth and proving u are an idiot. my 2cents

its also clear that u havent read the forum rules as the first rule states :
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OnlyUseB12 wrote:

i read up a lot about these things on the past few days, i decided to wait until later in my life to use gear and rather go natural now on a better healthier diet and learn to gym correctly with proper form first.

ok on the topic:
50mg/d of dbol is a lot for a first timer, 20mg/d for the first week will do just fine or just stick on 30mg/d (1 with breakfast,1 with lunch and 1 with dinner- but one of them should be about an hour before u gym).

Seems like u have quite a lot of money to spend on this cycle so if i was you i would run deca (@300 to 450mg/w) with it just for some solid gains and to help ur joints cos they gonna be under a lot of pressure with the sudden increase in strength. It also has very little side effects with the most prolific one (deca dick) being sorted by taking test.

12 weeks is also quite a long time, u have the commitment to do it but why push it for that long for the first cycle, the longer u do it the more u damage ur lipid profile although it goes back to normal it is in my view the worst side effect of gear on the body, 10weeks should be fine max i say and it should give the enth and deca good time to show u excellent results!

Uhm...WTF?

Bro, 2 days ago you wanted to take 100mg orals a day for weeks on end while your only 17 and now all of a sudden your a pro in giving advise...respect for actually following advise...but if you think two days of reading gives you the knowledge to give advise on cycles that influence lives...your fucking crazy...