JB’s cycle – please advise on options

Hi guys,

This is my second cycle of the year.

Week 1: Front load with Sustanon 750mg
Week 2 – 12: Test enanth 750mg/E7D
Week 1 – 12: Equi 350 700mg/E7D
Week 1 – 6: Tren 150 225mg/E3D
Week 7 – 12: Masteron 150 450mg/Mo&Thu (first time using this)
Week 1 – 12: Proviron 60mg/ED; Winstrol 40mg/ED; Arimidex .25mg - .5mg/ED; Cabergoline .5mg/Mo&Thu

Would Equi 525mg/E7D over 18 weeks be a better approach than the minimum of 12 weeks? Higher dosages vs longer duration?

If I take Equi for 18 weeks:
1. Which other components do I extend?
2. Do I bring in something else (I like to run stanazolol for around 8 weeks to end a cycle and see what quality gains were made)?
3. Should I try to keep total milligrams consistent (for example if I only continue with Equi and Stanazolol during weeks 13 to 18 there will be a major drop in total milligrams)?

I’ve discussed with the guys my problems with what seems to be a bad reaction to the propionate ester (test prop and sustanon kills my training), so I’m probably in for some pain here.

I only have experience with pharmaceutical grade products, but very keen on moving to LP and PGW.

PCT will be according to Doctari's protocol.

Hey bud

I would extend the eq to 15 - 18 weeks, drop the tren. Do u have any exp with the tren. And how many cycle have u done all together. If u drop the tren u can use that money and get more masteron and run it longer. U can also add the winny in the last 3 - 4 weeks if u want. Really no need for the sust in the first. As for the prop ester its painless. I didn't get any pain from sust and nothing from pgw prop either. So u can use some pgw prop as a kicker if u want

Oh yeah, your pct will have to be spot on as this will have major shutdown.

Hi JB

As you know eq only really kicks in after 10 - 12 weeks so I would also extend it to 18 weeks so you can get the most out of those last 6 weeks. I would also run the test concurrently thoughout the 18 weeks. The dosages are up to you and your bank balance. I would personally reduce the dosages and possibly run the test @ 500mg/wk and eq also @ 500mg/wk. As for the tren, the sides can be vicious and I would only include it if you have had experience with it before. I personally like tren and would keep it in. The masteron will also be a better if it is extended to the end of the cycle, possibly run it 100mg EOD instead of 450mg/wk. I find masteron works best at the end of a cycle to sculpt the newly formed muscle. I also can't see the reasoning behind a week of sus in the beginning. If you want to front load rather just increase your test enan dose for the first week to 1000mg. Front loading is a process to saturate your receptors with the peak dose from week one to ensure stable blood levels instead of it taking several weeks to peak like most long esters.

Fakey_AK wrote: Hey bud

I would extend the eq to 15 - 18 weeks, drop the tren. Do u have any exp with the tren. And how many cycle have u done all together. If u drop the tren u can use that money and get more masteron and run it longer. U can also add the winny in the last 3 - 4 weeks if u want. Really no need for the sust in the first. As for the prop ester its painless. I didn't get any pain from sust and nothing from pgw prop either. So u can use some pgw prop as a kicker if u want

Oh yeah, your pct will have to be spot on as this will have major shutdown.

I have used tren once before, 2 years ago. I sustained a full pec tear thereafter and I believe that one pin I took in the pec contributed to it. I have a dozen plus cycles under my belt, no more than 2 a year.

I’m very keen to try Masteron as it looks really good on paper. I will definitely rework the cycle to see what the milligrams look like if I substitute the tren.

I picked up the front loading with sust in another thread; it makes sense with the different esters it contains, but even that little bit of prop bites me badly. I will consider the pgw prop, but then what dosage would you recommend?

I’m always keen on winny but my elbows are still eina from the cycle earlier this year. I think I will have a better idea of how the dry gains with masteron looks like if I leave winny out of the equation.

Thanks bud.

STUARTF wrote: Hi JB

As you know eq only really kicks in after 10 - 12 weeks so I would also extend it to 18 weeks so you can get the most out of those last 6 weeks. I would also run the test concurrently thoughout the 18 weeks. The dosages are up to you and your bank balance. I would personally reduce the dosages and possibly run the test @ 500mg/wk and eq also @ 500mg/wk. As for the tren, the sides can be vicious and I would only include it if you have had experience with it before. I personally like tren and would keep it in. The masteron will also be a better if it is extended to the end of the cycle, possibly run it 100mg EOD instead of 450mg/wk. I find masteron works best at the end of a cycle to sculpt the newly formed muscle. I also can't see the reasoning behind a week of sus in the beginning. If you want to front load rather just increase your test enan dose for the first week to 1000mg. Front loading is a process to saturate your receptors with the peak dose from week one to ensure stable blood levels instead of it taking several weeks to peak like most long esters.

I will extend to 18 weeks; my previous cycle felt really good at weeks 11 and 12 but that’s where it stopped. 18 weeks on test is very long, and I’m not convinced the benefit would justify the cost, or do you disagree?

I made a quick calc, and running equi at 700mg/week for 12 weeks equals the amount required to running 12 weeks at 525mg/week and extending that for 6 weeks at 700mg/week. I think the longer duration is a better option then.

Like I’ve said to Fakey_AK, I’m not comfortable with tren, so I think I will drop it for more masteron. The 450mg/week is just because of the pgw mix of 100mg enanth and 50mg prop. At 100mg EOD, it works out to 350mg/week on average which seems to the lower end of recommended dosage. I’m worried about the prop ester though.

If I front load with test enanth, it’s still a long ester, so I don’t think I quite understand. Is front loading about dosage or getting the blood levels up using short esters?

Thanks for the input.

The test prop u can do 50mg eod.

something like that might work :blush:

Fakey_AK wrote: The test prop u can do 50mg eod.

You lost me on the front loading bud.
I thought that upfront milligrams should be at least equal to the test thereafter.

Thanks DJ.

I will take this into consideration. I have no experience with Turinabol and need to do some homework on it.

15 weeks also seems better otherwise I'll be pinning through Christmas.

Yes, DJs suggestion to run for 15 weeks does sound like a better idea. 18 weeks on test is a bit to much. But I still think it will be beneficial extending the eq and the test together and to keep the dosages consistant, as DJ's cycle suggests.

As for the front loading, the point is to get more of the active hormone into your bloodstream, thus getting the cycle going a little faster. I usually double the dose of test for the first week. Obviously test enan is not the ideal choice for a frontload as its half life is 4 days compared to test prop/D-bol which is a day or two. Perhaps try the T-bol as this it will give you a nice kickstart to the cycle and won't give you the water retension like d-bol does.

JB wrote:

Fakey_AK wrote: The test prop u can do 50mg eod.

You lost me on the front loading bud.
I thought that upfront milligrams should be at least equal to the test thereafter.

For the first 4 weeks u pin 50mg test prop eod with everything else, that way ur test kicks in quicker roughly 2 weeks and about the time u stop the prop the test should be in full swing. Im planning a 15 week eq cycle for next year almost the same. I will be frontloading with t-boll and ending of with anavar and will also be using masteron at 450mg/a week. Will be using sust as my test.

I’ll be taking the advice on running T-bol in the first 6 weeks. I noticed in your cycle that between weeks 7 and 9, there is a drop in total milligrams (about 1000mg). I don’t know if looking at total mg per week is old school, but won’t that impact on your gains?

I’m taking tren out, putting masteron in for 9 weeks from where the T-bol ends.

Just on the winstrol over 15 weeks – would milk thistle and cruciale be adequate to help my liver cope or should I run it for 9 weeks alongside masteron.

A bit off topic, but I’m curious to know how masteron and anavar compares in terms of quality gains.

Thanks.

DJ wrote: something like that might work :blush:

DJ, is the proviron and winstrol in weeks 16 and 17 to bridge the period between stopping test enanth and starting PCT? Would you otherwise crash before PCT starts?

It aids in keeping your gains before you start the pct and wait for the long easters to work out your body.

The cycle also have masteron from weeks 1 to 6 and again week 10 to 15.

Is that a specific application to masteron to take a break, or just personal preference?

JB wrote: The cycle also have masteron from weeks 1 to 6 and again week 10 to 15.

Is that a specific application to masteron to take a break, or just personal preference?

Hi JB, I can't see where you see masteron at week 1 to 6. Are you looking at the cycle DJ attached? - which only has masteron from week 10 to 15.

Anyway, to answer your question, there is no need to have a break. Either run the masteron throughout or run it for the last 5 weeks as it is great for hardening. You also asked a few posts back about the difference between anavar and masteron. I feel that masteron is a great steroid for adding defination if you are already at a low bodyfat %. It will make you harder and drier whereas anavar will add more lean mass and strength. Anavar is also relatively more expensive (aka rich man's Winstrol).

Hi,

Yes sorry, I wasn't looking in a straight line.

I have finalised my cycle, but there's no anavar included. From what you suggest, I would prefer the anavar's results over masteron.

Would 4 weeks be too short to run anavar? I can run it after masteron for 4 weeks before pct starts.

Ideally you would want to run it for longer than 4 weeks. I've just finished a 8 week anavar cycle and noticed that I only really started to see results around week 5. If I were you I would save your money and possibly include it in your next coarse.

Solid advice thanks. Did you stack the anavar with another substance?

Will put up the final cycle shortly.

Yes, with the anavar I ran proviron throughout at 50mg ED, as well as T3 (80mcg ED) and clen (100mcg ED). Nolva at the end for PCT and L-tyrosine for thyroid PCT.

That's an interesting looking cycle.

Was the purpose of this cycle to add dry muscle only? What were your gains like?

Yeah, I didn't want any significant mass gains, I was looking at adding a bit of lean, dry muscle like you said as well as lose as much body fat as possible.
I did pick up some quality, hard muscle but my strength gains were very minimal. I lost a lot of bodyfat (4.5%) but that was due to my diet, cardio and the fat burners.
I think if I had run the var for longer at a higher dosage (80mg ED) it would have been much more effective. Like I said before it only really started working around week 5. Another thing with the var was the muscle pumps. It made cardio virtually impossible at times because of the pain in my legs and back caused by the var. My training program includes a lot of cardio and it became very frustrating.

That's a nice drop in bodyfat, but I thought the var would increase your strength notably, I've never experienced pumps to the point that it makes cardio that hard. But I hardly do cardio with bodyfat never over 8%, and when I start on stanazolol it drops to 6 in no time.

I will see how much cardio is needed with the cycle coming up.

This is what the final cycle looks like:

Week 1 – 6: Oral Turinabol 40mg/ED
Week 1 – 15: Test enanth 750mg/E7D
Week 1 – 15: Equi 350 700mg/E7D
Week 1 – 19: Proviron 60mg/ED
Week 1 – 19: Oral Winstrol 40mg/ED
Week 1 – 15: Arimidex .5mg/ED
Week 7 – 15: Masteron 150 450mg/Mo&Thu
Week 19-23: PCT according to Doctari’s protocol

I'm stocked up for the first 6 weeks, but would like a thumbs up (or down) from all the gurus.

Thanks

Oral winstrol for 19 weeks???!! I think thats a bit much bro, not good.

Equi dose is good, tho you can get away with about 500mg (saves a bit of cash if thats a problem, because this cycle is looking like a big spend)

Proviron the whole way thru is awesome, but is it worth the $$? Maybe run it in the second half of the cycle