Hows this stack

As a beginner cycle im thinking of doing the following:

Deca
Dbol
Clomid

OR

Sustanon
Clomid
Nolvadex

I know for the sustanon cycle i could take dbol to increase results in the beginning however i would rather wait for the results a few weeks later than taking oral Dbols.

What you think?

I think u should read more. No seriously, in the cycle discussion thread there is a sticky on the topic of how a first cycle should look like. So go there and read and then if u have any other questions get back to us.

What Fakey said, do more research and you should discover that you shouldn't run deca without test

The second cycle is not too bad. The first one is plain stupid. However, as the rest of the guys said, put some active research into what people have asked as a first cycle, the comments they have received and then look at the 'sticky' thread what a first cycle should look like.

Keep it basic. The Nolva and Clomid I hope you where not thinking of using during the cycle but rather for your PCT?

Also, to assist better you need to post up your stats and what you are looking to achieve.

www.anabolicsteroids.co.za/forum/4-cycle...cle-should-look-like

Thanks for the responses. I've done some research and have yeilded the following conclusion to a successul first cycle. Please note i do not want to take Orals like Dbol as due to the toxicity to the liver, but would i harness good results from just an intramuscular test like Test Cyp.? Would my gains stay? Or is taking Dbol with Test essential to get the gains and to keep the gains?

Test Cypionate
(Dbol - Not sure)
(Proviron - Essential with just test?)

PCT:

Fertomid (Alt. Clomid)
Nomadex (Alt. Kessar)

Yes you will yield good results on just test cyp. No you do not need to take provirion, it a personal choice. Dbol is not essential, but on a very long ester like cypionate it is recommended to get things started, otherwise you can be waiting for 6 weeks plus for the results to start

AAS gains are never permanent, only GH gains.