New Cycle & 1st PCT

Chucky469 wrote: Hey Spike!!!

I had gains but nothing stayed. Basically lost everything in about 2 months.
Last cycle was Feb/March '10

I use to gym with a guy who's been using Deca & Sust for some time now. He's never done a PCT (that I know of) and never told me about it either. "Ek was nog jonk en jeukerig. Nou's ek net jonk". HAHA!!!

Excuse the ignorance but:
Test = Supertest???
Cyp = Testcyp???

So if I were to do a D/bol & Test cycle for 10/12 weeks then it would look something like this:
Week 1-4 :
D/bol @ 4 p/d (split dosage)(Incl. w'end)

Week 1-10:
Test @ 2ml p/w

Week 8-12:
Winstrol/Proviron @ 50mg p/d

Week 13 :
Clomid @ 100mg p/d (split dosage)

Week 14-16:
Kessar @ 20mg p/d (Incl. w'end)

Basically I've just recreated DJ's 1st cycle example and replaced Cyp with Test.

Firstly well done for taking some good advice by dropping the deca!

Sheesh dude - your HPTA took a proper hammering in your previous cycle! Do you realise that?
By the looks of the compunds you took and lack of pct I wonder if it has fully recovered even now? :dry:
I would suggest you throw in some hcg from week 3 into your course.
Run it at 250iu twice weekly. Stop it when your pct starts. Your nuts will thank you! :laugh:

Good luck!

Peace...

Chucky469 wrote: Hey Spike!!!

I had gains but nothing stayed. Basically lost everything in about 2 months.
Last cycle was Feb/March '10

I use to gym with a guy who's been using Deca & Sust for some time now. He's never done a PCT (that I know of) and never told me about it either. "Ek was nog jonk en jeukerig. Nou's ek net jonk". HAHA!!!

Excuse the ignorance but:
Test = Supertest???
Cyp = Testcyp???

So if I were to do a D/bol & Test cycle for 10/12 weeks then it would look something like this:
Week 1-4 :
D/bol @ 4 p/d (split dosage)(Incl. w'end)

Week 1-10:
Test @ 2ml p/w

Week 8-12:
Winstrol/Proviron @ 50mg p/d

Week 13 :
Clomid @ 100mg p/d (split dosage)

Week 14-16:
Kessar @ 20mg p/d (Incl. w'end)

Basically I've just recreated DJ's 1st cycle example and replaced Cyp with Test.

I think 8 weeks of orals is way to much, even with a break in between...
Not to complicate an already nice cycle, you also have the following options:

1)Frontload with additional Cyp, Sust or Prop in the first week or two which would basically get things moving a week or two sooner. This would replace the Dbol and allow the Winny towards the end of your cycle
OR
2)Use the Dbol in the beginning and Switch over to Prop at the end of the cycle, wait a week for esters to clear and start PCT. This would obviously replace the Winny

Just my thoughts

BB_guy wrote:

Chucky469 wrote: I think 8 weeks of orals is way to much, even with a break in between...
Not to complicate an already nice cycle, you also have the following options:

1)Frontload with additional Cyp, Sust or Prop in the first week or two which would basically get things moving a week or two sooner. This would replace the Dbol and allow the Winny towards the end of your cycle
OR
2)Use the Dbol in the beginning and Switch over to Prop at the end of the cycle, wait a week for esters to clear and start PCT. This would obviously replace the Winny

Just my thoughts

Hey BB_guy!!!

Instead of doing my PCT in weeks 13-16, should I rather take weeks 13-14 off the juice and then follow PCT in weeks 15-18???
I'm sure that the 2 week break will help with the over indulgence of oral stuffs!

The gear I already have:
10ml Deca 350
20ml Supertest
100 D/bol

The rest I will get in the months to come...

Rowan wrote:

Chucky469 wrote: I would suggest you throw in some hcg from week 3 into your course.
Run it at 250iu twice weekly. Stop it when your pct starts. Your nuts will thank you! :laugh:

I can make a plan, but just want to take it easy for now.
The nuts are ok now, really! I was worried a couple of weeks back, but they've come out of their shell :woohoo:

I'll try to answer what I think you're asking

You would always want to start PCT as soon as possible,when the AAS you're running has dropped to a low enough level. EG: 24 hours after an oral like Winny, a week after Prop and +- 2 weeks after Cyp or Enanthate, thats the reason for swapping from long to short esters at the end of your cycle, also one of the reasons to stop long esters and start something like Winny.

This cycle -

Week 1-4 :
D/bol @ 4 p/d (split dosage)(Incl. w'end)

Week 1-10:
Test @ 2ml p/w

Week 8-12:
Winstrol/Proviron @ 50mg p/d

Week 13 :
Clomid @ 100mg p/d (split dosage)

Week 14-16:
Kessar @ 20mg p/d (Incl. w'end)

- is fine as it is, I just wouldn't run both Dbol and Winny in a 12 week period

Does that help ?

Thanks BB-guy...makes sense!!!

Apologies for the late response.
Have been trying to type a response to your post since yesterday, but work is hectic...

Anyway, I'll research a bit more and then come back with a cycle layout again.

All of your (everyone that commented) help and insight has been absolutly useful.

I'll check in again soon.