3rd cycle - Oral Tbol and anavar

milktuds
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13 Jan 2011 10:52 #59276 by milktuds

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needToJumpOnCourse wrote: Cool I understand, shake before bed. Well I usually train around lunch time anyway, so meal 6 would be my last.

Milk is there any other advice you could give me? regarding what I asked stuart?

Save up and do a beginner's bulking cycle. Check the Cycle Discussion area for info on beginner's cycles. Mostly Test and D-Bol.

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needToJumpOnCourse
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13 Jan 2011 11:02 #59277 by needToJumpOnCourse

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Okay, here is reviewed cycle:

Week 1-10: 500mg Test Cyp (1ml on monday and thursday of Nomad???)
Week 1 - 10: Aromasin 12.5 mg E4D ?????? im confused here, cant get arimidex?? unsure of dosage.
Week 3 - 11: HCG 200 IU's twice a week (should it be different days to test shots?)

PCT (wait one week after last test shot??????)
Week 12: Clomid 50 mg/day
Week 13-16: Nolva 20mg/day

Since I plan to use aromasin throughout cycle, will i need it during pct as well?

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STUARTF
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13 Jan 2011 11:17 #59278 by STUARTF

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needToJumpOnCourse wrote: Okay, here is reviewed cycle:

Week 1-10: 500mg Test Cyp (1ml on monday and thursday of Nomad???)
Week 1 - 10: Aromasin 12.5 mg E4D ?????? im confused here, cant get arimidex?? unsure of dosage.
Week 3 - 11: HCG 200 IU's twice a week (should it be different days to test shots?)

PCT (wait one week after last test shot??????)
Week 12: Clomid 50 mg/day
Week 13-16: Nolva 20mg/day

Since I plan to use aromasin throughout cycle, will i need it during pct as well?

No, no, no stay away from Nomad if you can. It is underdosed and all their products are full of benzyl alcohol which make the shots extremely painful. If you still want to be able to sit down and walk, I would stay away from Nomad! Get PGW or Global Anabolics - my two favourites.

Why do you want to run Aromasin during your cycle. Keep it for PCT. If you want a anti-estrogen or SERM on-cycle like arimidex then rather go for Letrozole or even Nolvadex. This will combat the estrogenic side-effects (gyno, achne) and reduce water retention from the test.

HCG doesn't have to be on different days to your test shots. I would also run it for 1-2 weeks longer.

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needToJumpOnCourse
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13 Jan 2011 11:22 #59279 by needToJumpOnCourse

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My friend said it was the best he's ever taken?? Umm, ive used globals orals before, the dbol and tbol ive taken. Umm i will ask for global then. Will it be more expensive? Umm I want to minimize the estrogen sides without hampering growth too much!

okay, HCG 2 weeks longer

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STUARTF
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13 Jan 2011 11:38 #59280 by STUARTF

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Aromasin will work but it's expensive. Nolva will also work and will be half the price.

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needToJumpOnCourse
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13 Jan 2011 11:39 #59281 by needToJumpOnCourse

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A member of another board advised me to take aromasin for its ability to reduce SHBG and free more test as well. thats the reason for the aromasin. but i would take it at 12.5 mg EOD.

SO:

Week 1-10: 500mg Test Cyp (1ml on monday and thursday)
Week 1 - 10: Aromasin 12.5 mg EOD / Letro????
Week 3 - 12: HCG 200 IU's twice a week (shouldn't i skip the week when im taking clomid?)

PCT (wait one week after last test shot????????????? is my timing correct here?
Week 12: Clomid 50 mg/day
Week 13-16: Nolva 20mg/day
Week 13-16: Aromasin 12.5 mg EOD

This getting better?

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STUARTF
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13 Jan 2011 11:54 #59283 by STUARTF

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Getting better, still would rather keep the aromasin in PCT. If you want something to free up test as well as have anabolic and anti-estrogenic properties then proviron would be a good choice to add to your cycle. It's also great for keeping water low.

Are you prone to gyno/ache? Why the necessity to run an anti-estrogen during cycle. I only keep anti-estrogens on hand in case of side-effects. It's entirely up to you and how safe you want to play it. Just seems like bit of an overkill to me at the dosages you are running.

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STUARTF
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13 Jan 2011 12:11 #59285 by STUARTF

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Here's a cycle that will be ideal

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needToJumpOnCourse
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13 Jan 2011 12:26 #59288 by needToJumpOnCourse

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hmmm i like the cycle, umm what exactly is the purpose of the 4 weeks of proviron at the end of the cycle? Dbol gave me intense itchy nipples and I was so worried i was getting gyno, but in the end i was okay i think, my left nipple sticks out a lil weirdly but dont know? so i would rather be very careful and avoid estrogen at all costs. its one of the reasons for the initial tbol anavar cycle. Can i run proviron for longer in the cycle?

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STUARTF
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13 Jan 2011 12:41 #59290 by STUARTF

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Sounds like the first signs of gyno. Itchy nipples then lumps start appearing. I would definitely run a-dex or letro throughout your cycle. Proviron is a must in all my cycles and I always run it start to finish. It will help harden your gains, reduce water and estrogen build-up.

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STUARTF
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13 Jan 2011 12:45 #59291 by STUARTF

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Here's a better list of the benefits of proviron:

- Used to free up natural testosterone thus increases libido
- It makes other steroids more effective by preventing their conversion into estrogen.
- Can be used as a mild anti-estrogen to help manage estrogen related side effects
- Has a lipolytic effect on adipose tissue - fat burning properties
- Helps reduce water retention
- Provides a more hardened and quality look to muscles

Proviron is not effective on it's own and is usually stacked with armoatizable steroids such as test.

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needToJumpOnCourse
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13 Jan 2011 12:49 #59292 by needToJumpOnCourse

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Okay this stuff sounds amazing, so what dosage should i run it throughout the cycle and i will save aromasin for pct. is proviron expensive? sounds good

im getting very excited!

And i will look into letro to manage estrogen if that gets nasty!

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STUARTF
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13 Jan 2011 12:54 #59293 by STUARTF

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No, it's actually quite reasonable cost wise. Typical dose will be 40mg/day.

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jackrabbit1
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13 Jan 2011 13:04 #59295 by jackrabbit1

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You have Aromasin on hand for PCT right? Then its there as a safeguard against Estrogenic sides so use it when it does arrive. I'll put my money on ZERO sides for those dosages.

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STUARTF
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13 Jan 2011 13:21 #59300 by STUARTF

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Rabbit is right, but as soon as you get any hint of itchy nipples then start the Aromasin or Letro and run throughout.

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jackrabbit1
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13 Jan 2011 14:52 #59309 by jackrabbit1

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Your nipples perk up as your test levels increase. Just dont jump scared thinking its Gyno. Mine sometimes get a bit hard when test is high - something like cold weather; Its not gyno.
At 500mg its unlikely.

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needToJumpOnCourse
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14 Jan 2011 09:32 #59369 by needToJumpOnCourse

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Okay, so what are the sure signs that gyno may be becoming a problem. If high test levels can cause perky nips? Really Rabbit, you'd put your money on it ha? Sounds good, good you give me a forward payment?? haha, wow Proviron is some pricey stuff, what mg tabs do they come in? U said 40 mg daily throughout?

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Pumped
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14 Jan 2011 12:11 #59382 by Pumped

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They come in 20mg caps from LP AND 25mg tabs from schering.

So that 40mg daily would = 2*(LP) proviron 20mg.

Gyno -

A friend of mine recently picked up some gyno while on a high test only cycle with deca he was running 1500mg's test cyp and 1000mg's per week of deca.His area around his nipples started to swell up and his nipple grew thicker like a chicks.His chest also sags a little bit.But lukily i pointed it out to him and he is now running letro and proviron to combat the gyno.He is running 2.5mg's per day of letro to combat the estrogen side's.He told me after 2 weeks his sex drive was completely gone.Well i suppose those are the dangers of gyno first hand.

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STUARTF
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14 Jan 2011 12:54 #59394 by STUARTF

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Pumped is spot on. 100 caps will cost about the same as a bottle of winstrol - not that bad. I've never had gyno but I've read itchy nipples are the first signs.

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18 Jan 2011 10:34 #59548 by needToJumpOnCourse

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@ pumped
Thanks for all the info dude! I can get the 25 mg schering tabs. would it be okay to take 1 a day then? I dont think i will taking doses anywhere near that, so I should be okay - but I'll keep those signs in mind when i decide what to run!

@ stuart, I have reviewed everything here, i will spending a little while planning the cycle and will post a reviewed cycle here in a week or so. You'll all be glad to know I'm going the test route

Testosterone FTW!

Okay, I would like to know more about supertest 320 (PGW), I dont want to go the route of any orals this cycle, besides running proviron. So I've read a little on it here, apparently very painful. But im interested in a blend test as it would mean I wouldnt have to frontload with an oral and see gains from the shorter esters of the test? Any views here guys?

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00pump
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18 Jan 2011 11:12 #59549 by 00pump

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You don't need to frontload with SuperTest, it has short esters in it. The shot is not that painful, only if you a baby

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needToJumpOnCourse
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18 Jan 2011 11:53 #59550 by needToJumpOnCourse

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Yes, I read up on it a bit, see it has prop and phenylprop.

Well Im not a baby, so I think supertest is the way for me this cycle

So what would the pinning protocol be? Since it contains prop would I need EOD shots to take advantage of the short ester? Say 0.4ml EOD, if my calculations are correct that would level out to about 460mg/week?

I have seen other threads where shots are twice a week (monday thursday protocol)?

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18 Jan 2011 12:09 #59551 by 00pump

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It has taken the idea of Sustanon to have stable levels for up to 10 days, however twice a week shot would be more than ok. 0.5mg twice a week.

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needToJumpOnCourse
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18 Jan 2011 12:16 #59553 by needToJumpOnCourse

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So only 1 ml total a week? Why such a low dose? Do the different esters make the dosage higher or something? What im trying to get at is that everyone was saying 500mg /week min. And 1 ml supertest is ideal?

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18 Jan 2011 12:56 #59561 by 00pump

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Sorry 1ml twice a week.

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