3rd cycle - Oral Tbol and anavar

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18 Jan 2011 13:00 #59562 by needToJumpOnCourse
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Could i do slightly less than that say 0.7 ml's twice a week? Levels of around 450mg/week?

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18 Jan 2011 13:04 #59564 by Roozer
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Dont be afraid Bud 2ml of supertest is fine 640mg is perfect. Rather stick with 2 ml's i can promise you, you are going to kick your own ass for not doing it after your cycle

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18 Jan 2011 16:00 #59580 by Fakey_AK
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I'd go with 0.5ml eod. If u don't mind the frequent injections.

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18 Jan 2011 18:54 #59591 by Frikkie
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pump is right (as usual:)) with 2x per week being Ok but for optimal blood levels i agree with mister scary eyebal that eod would be best due to the short esters. if you do decide to go the 2x per week route, at least do the 1st week (or 2) eod for a type of frontload/kickstart. not necesary, but optimal. :)

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19 Jan 2011 08:38 #59625 by needToJumpOnCourse
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Thanks all, I think i will go the EOD route :D coz i like Fakey's idea about 0.5 ml EOD, that means 15 ml's will get me a 10 week cycle.

Week 1-10: 480 mg supertest (0.5 ml mon,wed,fri)
Week 3- 9: 25 mg proviron
Week 3-10: 400 IU HCG (200 mon, 200 thurs)

PCT: (How many days after last shot of supertest)

Week 1: 100 mg clomid/day
Week 2-5: 20 mg Kessar/day
Week 1-5: 2000 mg Tribulus Terrestris (40% saponins)

Kessar on hand if any signs of gyno appear!

One more thing - since I take a supertest shot and an HCG shot on mondays, can I mix the 2 or must they be seperate shots?

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19 Jan 2011 11:29 #59635 by milktuds
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HCG is water based and injected using an insulin needle. Subcutaneous injection. Test = intramuscular injection.

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19 Jan 2011 11:33 #59636 by needToJumpOnCourse
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oh okay I see, where can I find the best info on injecting? Coz its the only area I think ive left uncovered. Pretty vague idea of what to do.

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19 Jan 2011 12:56 #59647 by STUARTF
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This post is long but worth the read.


How To Inject Steroids (HCG and HGH are different)
All oil based and water based anabolic steroids should be taken intramuscularly. This means the shot must penetrate the skin and subcutaneous tissue to enter the muscle itself. Intramuscular injections are used when prompt absorption is desired, when larger doses are needed than can be given cutaneously or when a drug is too irritating to be given subcutaneously. The common sites for in tramuscular injectons include the buttock, lateral side of the thigh, and the deltoid region of the arm. Muscles in these areas, especially the gluteal muscles in the buttock, are fairly thick. Because of the large number of muscle fibers and extensive fascia, (fascia is a type of connective tissue that surrounds and separates muscles) the drug has a large surface area for absorption. Absorption is further promoted by the extensive blood supply to muscles. Ideally, intramuscular injections should be given deep within the muscle and away from major nerves and blood vessels.

The best site for steroid injections is in the gluteus medius muscle which is located in the upper outer quadrant of the buttock. The iliac crest serves as a landmark for this quadrant. The spot for an injection in an adult is usually to 7 1/2 centimeters (2 to 3 inches) below the iliac crest. The iliac crest is the top of the pelvic girdle on the posterior (back) side. You can find the iliac crest by feeling the uppermost bony area above each gluteal muscle. The upper outer quadrant is chosen because the muscle in this area is quite thick and has few nerves. The probability of injecting the drug into a blood vessel is remote in this area. Injecting here reduces the chance of injury to the sciatic nerve which runs through the lower and middle area of the buttock. It controls the posterior of each thigh and the entire leg from the knee down. If an injection is too close to this nerve or actually hits it, extreme pain and temporary paralysis can be felt in these areas. This is especially undesirable and warrants staying as far away from this area as possible.

Three Acceptable Sites for Intramuscular Injections are Shown (see drawings attached):

1) Buttocks
2) Lateral Surface of the Thigh
3) Deltoid Region

If the gluteal region cannot be injected for some reason, the second choice would be the lateral portion of the thigh. Usually, intramuscular injections in the thigh are only indicated for infants and children. The vastus lateralis muscle is the only area of the thigh that should be injected intramuscularly. This site is determined by using the knee and the greater trochanter of the femur as landmarks. The greater trochanter is the bony area that you can feel where the femur joins the pelvic girdle. The mid portion of the muscle is located by measuring the handbreadth above the knee and the handbreadth below the greater trochanter. Injecting into the front of the thigh or inside of the thigh is extremely unwise. These areas contain nerves as well as a number of blood vessels.

What Needles to Use?
It is important to choose the proper syringe for the administration of injectable anabolic steroids. The principle components of a syringe include a cylindrical barrel to one end of which a hollow needle is attached, and a close fitting plunger. The most acceptable syringe for injecting anabolic steroids is a 22 gauge 1 1/2" or 23 gauge 1" apparatus with a 3 cc case. This length allows for penetration to reach deep inside the muscle tissue. Shorter needles, 5/8" or 1/2" are usually not sufficient for intramuscular injections and occasionally leave a portion of the Injection in a subcutaneous area which will cause a swell between the skin and muscle as well as impaired absorption. The gauge size of a syringe represents the needle's diameter. The lower the gauge number, the wider. A 27 gauge needle is very thin. An 18 gauge is quite wide; it is often referred to as a cannon. Both 22 and 23 gauge needles are not so large that they are difficult to insert, yet are large enough for solutions to easily be propelled through them.

Glute injections: 23 gauge 1.5 inch long needles will do
Thigh injections: 25 gauge 1 inch long needles will do
Deltoid injections: 25 gauge 1 inch long needles will do.

Injection Procedures:
There are a number of steps that should be understood in order to complete a safe and proper intramuscular injection. First off, before handling any needles or vials, the user should take a thorough shower. Next, an alcohol swab should be used to clean the injection site and another alcohol swab should be used to clean the rubber stopper on top of the vial which will be drawn from. Then, take a brand new syringe out of its wrapper, remove its plastic top, draw about 2 ccs of air into it and insert it into the vial. Inject this air into the vial; this creates pressure within the vial and makes it easier to draw out oil based preparations. Then, turn the vial upside-down and slowly draw out the oil until you have overdrawn at least 1/4 cc. For example, if someone were to take an injection of 1 cc, they should pull out approximately 1 1/4 to 1 1/2 ccs of liquid, then tap the side of the case to help get the air bubbles that were drawn into the syringe to come to the top. At that point, the excess 1/4 to 1/2 cc could be injected back into the vial and the needle removed. Then, hold the syringe needle-side-up and continue to tap it to encourage all the air bubbles to come to the top of the syringe. Now, take another clean syringe, remove it from its sterile package and unscrew the needle from the syringe. Exchange the brand new needle for the one that has just been injected into the stopper. By using two needles for every injection, you can take advantage of using the full sharpness of the pin. The needle does suffer some dulling when it is pushed through the firm rubber stopper on a vial. It is important not to touch this needle before the injection. It should not come into contact with a counter top, your fingers, nor should it be cleaned with alcohol. This needle is sterile and should not be touched. At this point, once again swab the injection site with alcohol, then press the stopper of the syringe holding it needle-side-up, until the slight air bubbles that are at the top are pressed out. Once a bead of oil has appeared at the top of the needle, allow it run down the surface of the needle which provides lubrication. At this time, take the syringe and hold it like a dart. Use the other hand to stretch the skin at the injection site and simply push the sharp clean needle in. After inserting it deep into the muscle, pull back on the stopper for a few seconds to make sure it does not fill up with blood which would indicate that the needle had been injected into a blood vessel. Providing there is no blood present in the syringe, slowly press the stopper down until all the oil is injected. Then, quickly pull the needle out and take another alcohol swab and press firmly on the injection site. This will minimize bleeding, if there is any, and by firmly pressing on the injection site and slightly massaging it, some of the soreness may be eliminated. It is important that the liquid is not injected too quickly as this causes more pain at the site during the injection and in the proceeding days. After this procedure has been completed, return the plastic caps to shield the needles and make sure they are discarded properly. To avoid discomfort and excessive scar tissue at the injection site, it is not wise to inject more than 2 ccs of solution per shot. It is also not prudent to use the same injection site more than twice a week (once a week is preferred).

Hints for Injections:
1) Always warm up the vial or ampule to body temperature before injection. You can do that by placing it under your arm for about five minutes or placing the amp in warm water. DO NOT MICROWAVE.
2) Just before injection push the plunger to allow a drop of liquid to form on the end of the needle and let it run down the needle by holding it upside down. That lets the oil coat the needle and give it a bit more lubrication through the skin and muscle.
3) Some people have reported rubbing Viatamin E on the injection site aids in recovery.

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19 Jan 2011 13:11 #59652 by needToJumpOnCourse
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Thanks stu :D i found this and another article on other forums and printed them both out, will speak to my girlfriend bout it tonight as she is going to be helping me with the shots. So for HCG, what kind of shots do i do - same as HGH? just under the skin on my stomach?

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19 Jan 2011 13:26 #59655 by STUARTF
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Yip, just squeeze a piece of skin on your stomach or waist and inject into that. Use insulin needles or 1ml syringe with 27Gauge 1/2inch needle.

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20 Jan 2011 08:33 #59694 by needToJumpOnCourse
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Okay that sounds easy enough :D one thing im a little confused about is the unit of measurement IU? How many ml's is that? Or does the syringe have markings for IU?

Thanks so much again Stu :D You have been so much help :D getting a 10 week cycle for the same price as my original 5 week Tbol/Anavar cycle :D yes please!!!!

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20 Jan 2011 08:45 #59699 by Fakey_AK
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I find orange cap slin pins to work the best for hcg. Working out how many units on the pin to draw all depends on the strength or concentration mix of ur HCG.

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20 Jan 2011 08:51 #59700 by needToJumpOnCourse
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Okay, well I will be using Pregnyl :D so basically it is going to say 1000 IU per ml for example, and if i want 200 IU I will inject 0.2 ml? Pretty standard stuff :D

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20 Jan 2011 09:08 #59703 by STUARTF
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Nice one bud. Good luck with the cycle.

IU or International Unit is used as a measurement of the biological effect or potency of a substance. Every substance has a different IU to ml conversion eg. 1000 IU of HCG would have a different volume (ml) to 1000 IU of Vitamin C.

Since each substance has a different conversion ratio, you can determine the amount you need by calculating how many IU are mixed in a solution eg. if you have a 1500IU vial of HCG and mix it with 3ml of sterile water, you'll have 500IU/ml HCG solution. if you mix a 5000IU vial of hcg into 5ml of sterile water, you'll have a 1000IU/ml HCG solution. It's all in how you mix it.

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20 Jan 2011 09:13 #59704 by needToJumpOnCourse
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Ah I see not to complicated. So you telling me Im guna have to mix this stuff myself? Reli? Thats heavy stuff - going to feel like a little biochemist :D Does that mean its possible for me to use half the pregnyl i get now and half for another cycle?

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20 Jan 2011 09:18 #59705 by STUARTF
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As long as it isn't mixed and still in powder form then you can. If it's already mixed then it will last 1-2 weeks.

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20 Jan 2011 09:20 #59706 by needToJumpOnCourse
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So Im guna have to mix a solution every week or so? Do I keep it in the fridge?

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20 Jan 2011 09:25 #59707 by 00pump
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lol

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20 Jan 2011 09:28 #59710 by STUARTF
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You may be able to push it to 30days if you keep the vial sealed and consistantly refrigerated.

The number of times you have to mix depends on how much you're using per week and what brand you're using. Pregnyl comes in 3 vials, 1600IU each, LP comes in 5000iu and 2ml vial, Ovidrel comes in 6000IU and 1ml vial.

I think you said you're doing 450IU/week pregnyl. That would mean the one vial will last 3.5 weeks (if you have the 5000IU pregnyl, also used to come in 1500IU boxes).

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20 Jan 2011 09:34 #59711 by needToJumpOnCourse
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Okay well that doesnt seem to complicated, thanks Stu and everyone else as well! I would have been destroying my liver (and wasting my money) as we speak without your help!!!! I will start a new thread to sort of log and keep everyone updated on results :D Guna work on sorting my diet out and then when I've acquired ALL my gear I will start, giving myself a month; so plan to start my cycle on the 21st of next month! Good luck to all of you in your endeavours too!

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20 Jan 2011 09:44 #59713 by STUARTF
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Sweet man, keep us posted.

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24 Jan 2011 09:53 #59888 by needToJumpOnCourse
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Howzit guys :D ummm, I have purchased finpecia (finasteride) and kessar. Was planning on getting my supertest but still have not been able to source the stuff. Would T-Mix 325 by Global Anabolics be a good substitute; I have that availiable to me.

Could you give me any info on the finasteride that any of you have gained from personal experience. I know it can affect sex drive and also reduce gains?

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24 Jan 2011 09:58 #59889 by 00pump
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Causes gyno, can cause infertility, is a drug I would stay away from unless you really have to use it.

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24 Jan 2011 10:09 #59892 by STUARTF
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T-mix 325 (Global Anabolics) is also a blend of short ester and long ester testosterones namely: Testosterone Acetate, Testosterone Decanoate, Testosterone Propionate, Testosterone Phenylpropionate and Testosterone Cypionate.
Super Test contains a slightly different combination (Propionate, Phenylpropionate, Isocaproate, Enanthate and Cypionate) but the effects will be virtually the same. T-mix 325 will be a good substitute.

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24 Jan 2011 10:16 #59893 by needToJumpOnCourse
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@pump:

Causes gyno :| what! How does it do that? Well I only really agreed to a test cycle coz I was told that if i took ancillaries like finasteride; I would avoid the hairloss problem? Now that I have it it can cause gyno? Ive never read anything like that! Well I'm not risking losing my hair - so I think I will take it as dbol made me moult like an old dog - so i can see test doing the same to me. Plus the proviron is prob guna be harsh on my hair as it is. So yea I'll run it for the next month before my cycle and see how it goes!

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Awesome, will get myself 15 ml's and throw a 10 week party :D must I stick to the 0.5 ml mon, wed, fri dosing as we discussed with the supertest?

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