Devildriver's First Test Cyp/Dbol Cycle Log!

Greetings, fellow gym rats!

After doing tons of research and training my ass off for the past 3 years, I finally started my very first cycle this week and thought I’d keep a log of my progress for you guys to critique (and for other newbies considering a similar cycle to hopefully learn something from). First off I’d like to thank all of you who helped me put my cycle together with your invaluable advice and insightful replies to my earlier threads…you all know who you are, you ROCK!

Okay, down to the cycle. I’ve posted my stats before but here they are again for those of you who haven’t checked out my previous threads:

Age: 28
Weight: 93kg
Height: 196cm
Years training: 3
Bf%: 10-15% (I’ve made an appointment to have it measured properly on Wednesday morning so that I can adjust my diet down to a tee)

Current calorie intake: 3500-3700 per day (370g protein per day which is 2g per pound of my estimated lean bodyweight, less than 70g of fat per day and the rest is carbs; I might up my carbs a little later on, just need to confirm my lean bodyweight 100%)

Training routine: 5-day split hitting each bodypart 2x per week (Monday – upper body 5x5 powerlifting rep scheme for strength, Tuesday – lower body 5x5 powerlifting rep scheme for strength, Wed – rest, Thursday – Back & Shoulders hypertrophy, Friday – Legs hypertrophy, Saturday – Chest and arms hypertrophy and Sunday – rest).

My cycle: Week 1-10: 500mg PGW Test Cyp (injected 1x per week)
Week 1 – 4: 40mg LP Dianabol (10mg taken 4x per day)
Week 1-12: 0.2mg Letro EOD to control estrogen
PCT: Week 13: 100mg Clomid (50mg 2x per day)
Week 14 – 18: 20mg Nolvadex ED



I took my first pin last night (Sunday), the missus was kind enough to do it for me (I HATE needles) and did a great job, I didn’t feel a thing! No pain at the injection site this morning either, I just feel a small lump in my buttcheek when I sit on it but other than that, no discomfort at all.

Took my first Dbol this morning an hour before training (along with 800mg of milk thistle for the ol’ liver) and didn’t feel any difference other than the excitement of knowing that soon I’ll be pushing much heavier weight in the weeks to come. Trained upper body strength today:

A. Bench Press: 5x3-5 (6 x 100kg, 5 x 100kg, 3 x 100kg, 3 x 100kg, 6 x 90kg)
B. Bent over barbell rows: 5 x 3-5 (6 x 80kg, 5 x 90kg, 5 x 90kg, 5 x 80kg, 5 x 80kg)
C. Chin-ups (wide grip): 2 x 6-10 (1x10, 1 x 8.)
D. Lying T-bar Rows: 2 x 6-10 (10 x 90kg, 8 x 90kg)
E. Dips: 2 x 6-10 (1 x 15, 1 x 10 – I need to find a way to weight these!)
F. DB Shoulder press: 3 x 6-10 (10 x 20kg, 8 x 23kg, 8 x 20kg)
G. Barbell curls: 3 x 6-10 (10 x 35kg, 9 x 35kg, 6 x 35kg)
H. Skull crushers: 3 x 8-10 (9 x 30kg, 7 x 30kg, 8 x 30kg)
I. Crunches: 5 x 30

I took my second capsule 4 hours after the first one, with my big post-workout meal (200g chicken breast and 300g [cooked weight] wholewheat pasta) and I think I may be starting to feel a bit of an effect now, I have a great sense of wellbeing and energy, but this may just be a placebo effect, I’m not sure.

I will be training legs tomorrow, can’t freakin wait (I love squats, people say I’m not quite right in the head, but anyway…)!! Off to get another big meal in now, I’ll keep you guys updated, thanks for reading!

Glad to see you have done your research!!

Why not do 1ml cyp twice a week, instead of 2ml at a time?? Sometimes a little better!
Letro can be introduced from like week 6... taking from the start is not needed.
Start PCT from week 14... give your body 1 week break before PCT (There is a thread on the forum about this)
ELSE...
Why not do winny from week 13-14... and PCT from week 15
Usually Test Cyp is done for 10 weeks....

Dbol should be every 6 hours if you taking 4 a day.

Thanks for the input, Mr_SA, much appreciated! I was going to shoot the Cyp 2x a week instead of the whole 500ml in one go but a lot of the guys here seem to think that it isn't really necessary since the Cyp is a long ester (according to my research as well, the Test E would need to be pinned 2x a week but the half-life of Cyp is a little longer). I started the Letro a couple days before my first pin because I'm k@k scared of gyno, I have small lumps that developed during puberty and never went away so I'd hate to make things worse, and the Dbol has a nasty reputation for aromatization. I just hope this doesn't hurt my gains too much, I've only been on the stuff since Thursday, 0.2mg EOD so I've yet to see any sides from it.

From what I've picked up as well, the Cyp takes 21 days to get to what your body would perceive as "normal" test levels, so shouldn't PCT begin 21 days after your last pin?

I might look at picking up some winny at the end to harden the gains a little toward the end, I will see how the cycle goes and how I react to the test, so if I'm happy that might be a good idea!

I've been taking the dbol every 4 hours, I see there's quite a bit of debate on that as well, some say that you should take it all in the morning, some say split it into two doses and some say every 4-6 hours.

bud cyp has a 12 day half life so think of it as this, u inject 500mg that week(excluding whats already built up in the system) so 12 days after that injection, u will have 250mg in your system,12 days after that u hit 125mg 12 days after that u hit 63.5mg in the system (anything less than 100mg is when u start pct) so 36days after your last jab!!

in that 36 days u should hit some winny and proviron...

Hey DJ, thanks for clarifying, that does make sense.

Trained legs this morning, felt a bit sluggish at the gym though because I didn't sleep too well. The only exercise that really suffered was my squat, I had to drop 10kgs of my normal 5 rep max because I was battling to get 3 with a full range of motion (just past 90-degree squats). So I guess the energy boost I had yesterday was just a placebo effect after all...haha...can't wait to start feeling a noticeable effect though, from what I've read, I should start feeling the difference toward the end of the week/beginning of next week. As from yesterday afternoon driving around, I start to cringe a bit every time I have to make a sharp left turn, because my right ass cheek where I injected is a bit tender, feels like I got shot point-blank with a paintball. I only feel this when I'm driving though funny enough so it's all good!

My workout went like this (I do not include warmup sets here):

A. Squats: 5x5 (6x120kg, 5x120kg, 3x130kg, 4x120kg, 5x120kg)
B. Hack Squats: 2x8-10 (9x125kg, 8x120kg)
C. Leg Extensions: 2x8-10 (12x72kg, 10x72kg)
D. Dumbell Romanian Deadlifts: 3x5-8 (8x40kg, 8x45kg, 8x50kg)
E. Standing Calf Raise: 4x6-10 (10x117kg, 10x126kg, 10x126kg, 9x117kg)
F. Seated Calf Raise: 3x6-10 (10x50kg, 10x45kg, 8x50kg)
G. ABS: Floor crunches: 1x30
H. ABS: Decline Crunches: 2x30, 2x25
I. ABS: Hanging Leg Raises: 2x20 (Wanted to do 5 sets but ran out of time).

I will post my daily diet shortly for you guys to critique and offer advice if you don't mind.

Thanks for reading!

Here's my daily diet, I keep everything the same each and every day except for my 6pm meal because the girlfriend gets sick of eating the same thing day in and day out so for that one we alternate between stuff like steak (150g) & sweet potato, chicken (200g) & veg (sometimes those Goldi microwave hicken schnitzels if we're feeling lazy, I have two of those), baked hake (2 pieces for me) & veg and the pick n pay lean beef burgers (also 2x for me).

5am (Breakfast/preworkout):
- 3 x Weet Bix
- 2 heaped tablespoons Supplements SA Whey (+/- 22.5g protein)
- 125ml First Choice skim milk
- 2 slices Sasko "low GI true wholewheat bread" (toasted)
- 125g Pick n Pay or Lancewood fat free cottage cheese

7:30am (post workout shake):
- 120g Muscle Science Muscle Mass
- 500ml First Choice skim milk

9am (post workout meal):
- 100g (dry weight, before cooking) wholewheat spaghetti
- 200g boiled chicken breast
- 2 tbsp lite mayonnaise

12am (lunch):
- 200g lean beef mince cooked with some onion, garlic, chilli
- 2 slices Sasko "low-GI true wholewheat bread" (toasted)

3pm (snack):
- 1 tin (119g) Pick n Pay tuna in water
- 1 large sweet potato, microwave cooked
- 2 whole boiled eggs

6pm (supper):
-150g steak & baked sweet potato (paint these over with some olive oil and sprinkle with origanum, bake for about 25 mins at 180 degrees, tastes AWESOME!!)
OR
-200g chicken & veg (usually broccoli + cauliflower)
OR
-2 Goldi microwave chicken schnitzels & veg
OR
-2 I&J hake or haddock fillets & veg
OR
-2 Pick n Pay lean beef burgers with 2 slices wholewheat bread
OR
-spaghetti bolognaise cooked with chilli (my specialty, not that ideal for a supper meal though, too much carbs IMO).

9pm:
- 2 tbsp Supps SA Whey
- 125ml First Choice skim milk

midnight:
- 2 tbsp Supps SA Whey
- 125ml First Choice skim milk

TOTAL CALORIES: 3500-3700 per day, minimum of 370g protein, maximum of 70g fat, and the rest is carbs.


And that's it! Any constructive criticism/advice welcome!

Thanks for reading, guys!

u gonna gain quite a bit of fat off this bud,milk is a shocker unless your metabolism is really really fast metabolism! i would start your diet off at 3000 caloires and increase ever 2 weeks,get a food scale and measure out your whey,i certaintly think to many carbs i would start at no more than 200g carbs, split it up,3 meals, breakfast pre work out and dinner, at your guestimated fat % u gave us i would go for 350g maximum to start,and then make up the meals with vegs and healthy fats. then start adding in more calories as u need. carbs dont make u grow,calories do! to many carbs will just make u alot more fat than 15%.

You need to get some more sleep china bean....the body and mind needs to rest! Devil, why did you choose this cycle? I'm only curious as I'm still contemplating my first one and every second guy has a different opinion on what a first cycle should look like.....

DJ wrote: u gonna gain quite a bit of fat off this bud,milk is a shocker unless your metabolism is really really fast metabolism! i would start your diet off at 3000 caloires and increase ever 2 weeks,get a food scale and measure out your whey,i certaintly think to many carbs i would start at no more than 200g carbs, split it up,3 meals, breakfast pre work out and dinner, at your guestimated fat % u gave us i would go for 350g maximum to start,and then make up the meals with vegs and healthy fats. then start adding in more calories as u need. carbs dont make u grow,calories do! to many carbs will just make u alot more fat than 15%.

I have quite a fast metabolism, I have the "tall, skinny" gene..haha

I've been on this diet for probably 6 months now, haven't gained fat, my weight has remained consistent all the way through (I actually went down from being 106kg initially, to 93-95kg and I've just stayed there). I bumped up the protein quite a bit by adding in the cottage cheese at breakfast (preworkout) and I used to just eat one chicken breast for my post workout meal but found it's less than 200g so I have started cooking like 3 packets at a time, shredding them up then weighing them and freezing them. I've also just recently added the mince to my 12pm meal (it used to be 4 eggs with mayo and toast) and moved just 2 eggs to the next meal. I was actually thinking I need more calories for this cycle as this is pretty much just above maintenance for me training naturally, it seems. I'm quite confident that my bodyfat is well below 15%, I can see my abs, but I'm getting it measured at the gym tomorrow morning and will probably be able to provide a more accurate picture then (12-15)% was a wide guesstimate..lol).

Mind you, I really wouldn't mind eating less calories, this shit works out insanely expensive! Do you think I should drop all that pasta post-workout rather and just have a sweet potato or something? I always thought that post-workout the body would chow any carbs quickly...

CoetzerJD wrote: You need to get some more sleep china bean....the body and mind needs to rest! Devil, why did you choose this cycle? I'm only curious as I'm still contemplating my first one and every second guy has a different opinion on what a first cycle should look like.....

I hear you, bud! I'm in bed at 8:30 every night and up at 4:50 to get my preworkout meal in before gym which should give me 8 hours, but I'm a kak light sleeper and the smallest noise wakes me up and I can't get back to sleep. Then I get p-ed off because I know I have to train the next day and that wakes me up even more..it's a vicious cycle! Thinking of getting some Melatonin or something though, I hear it helps a lot.

With regard to the cycle, I decided to keep it simple as possible for a first cycle, just to see how my body reacts to the compounds. If you jump on a big stack for your first one, you're not gonna know which way to look for side-effects. I went for the Cyp because it's a lot more cost-effective than Test-E and has a longer half-life and is highly recommended for a simple bread and butter cycle.

if u have a fast metabolism then up your carbs as you go,also keeping your fats high will help u... but i think your guestimations of scoops and measures on the protiens will also throw u out,get a food scale and make sure that your measure everything out,gram for gram...all that milk is also a no go,rather not use milk and have more whey,mix your whey with peanut butter or eat nuts with it...will slow down digestion...also i dont think u are getting in any where near that amount of protein u think u are. to get 350g of protein a day for me i eat,800g of chicken, 500g fillet steak,4 eggs and 50g bcaa. that will give u 360g of protein in a day... thats 7 meals dude... i battle to get my protein down on some days...

DJ wrote: if u have a fast metabolism then up your carbs as you go,also keeping your fats high will help u... but i think your guestimations of scoops and measures on the protiens will also throw u out,get a food scale and make sure that your measure everything out,gram for gram...all that milk is also a no go,rather not use milk and have more whey,mix your whey with peanut butter or eat nuts with it...will slow down digestion...also i dont think u are getting in any where near that amount of protein u think u are. to get 350g of protein a day for me i eat,800g of chicken, 500g fillet steak,4 eggs and 50g bcaa. that will give u 360g of protein in a day... thats 7 meals dude... i battle to get my protein down on some days...

I definitely measure everything out (except for the whey, according to the packaging 2 heaped tbsp = 22.5g protein so I heap them as much as I can, but I'll start weighing it rather). I get quite a bit of protein from my carb sources, 13g from the pasta, 8g from the bread (from 2 slices, according to the packets) so I think I'm pretty spot on with how much I'm getting in.

I have an Excel spreadsheet that I did up a while back adding everything up, looks like I originally miscalculated my protein to be 370g a day, but I'm still well over 1.5g per lb of lean bodyweight, closer to 2g per lb. The figures look somethin like this (the foods that don't have nutritional values on the packaging I googled and checked a few sources to find out what the values are, like the mince, steak and chicken:




BREAKFAST :
- 3 x Weet Bix (60g): 7.5g protein 40.5g carbs, 1.5g fat
- 2 x tbsp Whey (25g): 22.5g protein, 2g carbs, 0.4g fat
- 1/2 cup Skim Milk (150ml): 5.25g protein, 7.65g carbs, 0.75g fat
- 2 x slices wholewheat toast: 8g protein, 35g carbs, 2g fat
- 125g Fat Free Cottage cheese: 25g protein, 3g carbs, 0g fat

POSTWORKOUT:
- Muscle Fuel STS (120g): 34.5g protein, 76.8g carbs, 0.21g fat
- Skim Milk (500ml): 17.5g protein, 25.5g carbs, 2.5g fat

POSTWORKOUT MEAL:
- skinless chicken breast (200g): 32.2g protein, 3g carbs, 3g fat - Wholewheat spaghetti (100g): 13g protein, 66g carbs, 2g fat

LUNCH:
- 200g lean beef mince: 42g protein, 0g carbs, 18g fat
- 2 x slices low-gi wholewheat bread: 8g protein, 35g carbs, 2g fat

MID-A/NOON:
- 1 x can tuna in water (119g): 28g protein, 0g carbs, 0.3g fat
- 1 x med/large sweet potato: 2.1g protein, 54.3g carbs, 0g fat
- 2 large eggs, boiled: 6.3g protein, 0.6g carbs, 5.3g fat

SUPPER OPTION (1):
- 1 x boiled chicken breast: (200g) 32.2g protein, 3g carbs, 3g fat

SUPPER OPTION (2):
- 1 x beef steak (150g): 40.8g protein, 0g carbs, 14.5g fat
- 1 x med/large sweet potato: 2.1g protein, 54.3g carbs, 0g fat

SUPPER OPTION (3):
- 2 x PnP lean beef burgers w/2 slices bread: 44.2g protein, 38.4g carbs, 25.2g fat

BED TIME:
- 2 x tbsp whey (25g): 22.5g protein, 2g carbs, 0.4g fat
- 150ml Skim Milk: 5.25g protein, 7.65g carbs, 0.75g fat

MIDNIGHT:
- 2 x tbsp whey (25g): 22.5g protein, 2g carbs, 0.4g fat
- 150ml Skim Milk: 5.25g protein, 7.65g carbs 0.75g fat


TOTAL option (1): 339.55g protein, 371.65g carbs, 43.26g fat
TOTAL option (2): 350.25g protein, 422.95g carbs, 54.76g fat
TOTAL option(3): 351.55g protein, 407.05g carbs, 65.46g fat

CALORIES option (1): 1358.2cals protein, 1486.6cals carbs, 389.34cals fat= 3234.14 total
CALORIES option (2): 1401cals protein, 1691.8cals carbs, 492.84cals fat= 3585.64 total
CALORIES option (3): 1406.2cals protein, 1628.2cals carbs, 589.14cals fat= 3623.54

Ok I hope that makes some sort of sense, the table didn't come out properly

I'm just asking because you had a 9pm and midnight snack in your diet. The price diff between Cyn and Test E is only R80....The cycle I want to do is similar with testen 300 being the difference. But recently I was asked why I'm not using 400 mg/week of Test Prop (pinning EOD) for 5 weeks and then maybe do a 5-10 week Test E cycle @ 600 mg/week...But hell man, I don't know. I just don't wana @#$% up my body, especially the twins, LOL.

125g Fat Free Cottage cheese: 25g protein, 3g carbs, 0g fats :wrong. 12g of protein 8g of carbs.bro what steak are u eating cos fillet steak has only got 20g of protein per 100g, so u are also down there,tuna is 22g per tin. also 25g of whey will only give 20g of protien.

also how can u tell me 1 medium large sweet potato is 54g of carbs bud, 300g of sweet potato has that amount.

like i said i would drop the milk and get more solid meals in,i still thing that your fats are too low and carbs too high and all those carbs from milk is just sugar, if u were to eat your carbs i bet u right now that 422g wont be as easy as u think... if i was u i would look at starting at 350g protein 200g of carbs and then 90-100g of fats,then work your carbs up from there. also bread is shit carb source bud.oats,rice,potato,sweet potato,mealie meal,thats all good carbs bud, bread is manufactured...its kak.

but hey,u the expert bud,u asked for critism.i am giving u the best help u gonna get,choose to use it or dont...

CoetzerJD wrote: I'm just asking because you had a 9pm and midnight snack in your diet. The price diff between Cyn and Test E is only R80....The cycle I want to do is similar with testen 300 being the difference. But recently I was asked why I'm not using 400 mg/week of Test Prop (pinning EOD) for 5 weeks and then maybe do a 5-10 week Test E cycle @ 600 mg/week...But hell man, I don't know. I just don't wana @#$% up my body, especially the twins, LOL.

Personally I'd stick to as few compounds for a first cycle as possible...that's just me though, I've had people trying to convince me to run Tren or Equi with my Test as a first cycle but I honestly think it's best to be able to see how you react to what first. Don't worry too much about the nuts, bro, they recover...I haven't heard of anyone doing any permanent damage to their junk even without proper pct yet.

DJ wrote: 125g Fat Free Cottage cheese: 25g protein, 3g carbs, 0g fats :wrong. 12g of protein 8g of carbs.bro what steak are u eating cos fillet steak has only got 20g of protein per 100g, so u are also down there,tuna is 22g per tin. also 25g of whey will only give 20g of protien.

also how can u tell me 1 medium large sweet potato is 54g of carbs bud, 300g of sweet potato has that amount.

like i said i would drop the milk and get more solid meals in,i still thing that your fats are too low and carbs too high and all those carbs from milk is just sugar, if u were to eat your carbs i bet u right now that 422g wont be as easy as u think... if i was u i would look at starting at 350g protein 200g of carbs and then 90-100g of fats,then work your carbs up from there. also bread is shit carb source bud.oats,rice,potato,sweet potato,mealie meal,thats all good carbs bud, bread is manufactured...its kak.

but hey,u the expert bud,u asked for critism.i am giving u the best help u gonna get,choose to use it or dont...

Bro, by no means am I claiming to be an expert at all, I know you're very, very sharp with the diet stuff, all of the guys on this forum rate your advice very highly so I really do appreciate it, please don't get me wrong!

A lot of the stuff here I'm going by what I could find on the net, I've weighed the sweet potatos I buy and they're all on average 250g uncooked so I should probably have listed them as large. The tuna I chow is the pick n pay brand, I've got a tin in front of me now that says 27g protein per 100g, and the drained weight according to the packaging is 119g so that comes to 32.13g for a tin. The whey I'm also going by what it says on the packaging (although we all know how honest these supplement companies can be..haha)...as for the steak, I usually buy rump bulk at the butchery or texan steak from pick n pay (I know that's not ideal but I work on a very tight budget, I can barely afford to eat the way I'm eating now) so those values I had to try and find on the net as well.

I will look at replacing the bread with something else, possibly oats in the morning and rice with my 12pm meal.

I'm definitely not trying to be a know it all or anything, bro, I'm here to learn like most other guys, I'm just stating the facts that I have in front of me (whether they're correct or not I have no way of knowing). I've read a lot of the advice you've given to others and I have much respect!

well first off tuna is expensive. 2nd off u are drinking a liter of milk a day at R10 a liter thats kak expensive.u spending about R300 a month just on milk dude,water is free..the tins i have got say 22g of protein per 100g and i usually only get 100g of tuna out of tin cos i make sure its dry! also eating cottage cheese at half a tab a day is nearly R15 a tub thats and additional R225 on cottage cheese. so by dropping milk and cottage cheese u can get yourself better quality food sources.. using lean beef mince is perfect,dont buy texan steak as it is old meat thats why they marinate it!

_{WEDNESDAY 11 May:}

So today is day 3, it's my day off gym, feeling a bit antsy and wishing I could go in and train but I know how important rest is, so I'll just be going in at 2pm to get my bf% measured (I will update once I get back).

Didn't sleep too great last night, brainstorming about my diet, I've now tweaked it according to DJ's recommendations and it looks something like this (please guys, any further critiques on this are welcome!):

5AM (PRE-WORKOUT):
- Weet Bix (3x): 6.45g protein, 34.5g carbs, 0.9g fat= 171.9cals
- pure whey, 2 scoops (25g): 22.5g protein, 2carbs, 0.4g fats= 101.6cals
- skim milk (150ml): 5.25g protein, 7.65g carbs, 0.75g fat= 58.35cals
- egg, boiled (3x): 18.9g protein, 1.8g carbs, 15.9g fat= 225.9cals

MEAL TOTAL: 53.1g protein, 45.95g carbs, 17.95g fat= 557.75cals

7:30AM (POST-WORKOUT SHAKE):
- Muscle Science Muscle Mass (120g): 34.5g protein, 76.8g carbs, 0.21g fat= 447.09cals

MEAL TOTAL: 34.5g protein, 76.8g carbs, 0.21g fat= 447.09cals

9AM (POST-WORKOUT MEAL):
- chicken breast, boiled (200g): 43.6g protein, 0g carbs, 6.4g fat= 232cals
- mayonnaise, lite, 3 tbsp (50g): 0.7g protein, 6.5g carbs, 13.1g fat= 146.7cals
- wholewheat pasta (100g): 13.3g protein, 66.8g carbs, 8.9g fat= 400.5cals

MEAL TOTAL: 57.6g protein, 73.3g carbs, 28.4g fat= 779.2cals

12PM:
- lean beef mince (200g): 42g protein, 0g carbs, 5g fat= 213cals
- sweet potato, large (250g): 2.5g protein, 32.5g carbs, 0g fat= 140 cals

MEAL TOTAL: 44.5g protein, 32.5g carbs, 5g fat= 353cals

3PM:
- tuna in water, 1 can (119g): 27g protein, 0g carbs, 0.375g fat= 111.375cals
- egg, boiled (2x): 12.6g protein, 1.2g carbs, 10.6g fat= 150.6cals
- peanut Butter (30g, 2 tbsp): 7.6g protein, 4g carbs, 15g fat= 181.4cals


MEAL TOTAL: 47.2g protein, 5.2g carbs, 25.975g fat= 443.375cals

6PM:
- chicken breast (200g): 43.6g protein, 0g carbs, 6.4g fat= 232cals
- veg 0 0 0 0

MEAL TOTAL: 43.6g protein, 0g carbs, 6.4g fat= 232cals

9PM:
- lean beef mince (200g) 42g protein, 0g carbs, 5g fat= 213cals

MEAL TOTAL: 42g protein, 0g carbs, 5g fat= 213cals

MIDNIGHT:
- pure whey, 4 scoops (50g): 40gprotein, 2g carbs, 0.4g fat= 171.6cals

MEAL TOTAL: 40g protein, 2g carbs, 0.4g fat= 171.6cals


GRAND TOTAL: 362.5g protein, 235.75g carbs, 89.335g fat= 3197.015cals

Good work on getting the diet totals to slightly decrease during the day. Thats fine tuning.

Do you just not like oats? Why not change your wheat bix to that? with some cinnamon and honey its pretty good. Dont need milk then either.

Thanks m0lt3n! It probably needs a little more fine tuning but it's a start... I have not problem with oats, I do find it makes me feel a little heavy before gym though compared to Weet Bix, and it's also less nutrient-dense. Weet Bix seems to have more carbs & proteins but less sugars than Jungle Oats (compared them this morning, I have a box of each at home). Although I might think about alternating so I don't get sick of one or the other, maybe have the oats on non-training days...

Just an update, got back from having my bodyfat measured now, and I'm currently sitting at 13%. A little lower than the 15% I originally guesstimated!

bud i wouldnt count the proteins from any carb source into your daily protein count nearly all the carb sources baring quiona have incomplete proteins

Cool, I'll factor that in as well, shot DJ! I'll have to add in another meat meal then, fok this is gonna be expensive! Good news is I found out that Exclusively Frozen has bulk trays of chicken breast for R17.95 a kg which is like half the price of Pick n Pay's so that will help a lot.

Hi Devil

Good luck with your cycle and keep us posted on your progress. It seems like you did your research.

Are you in East London? only place I see an Excl Frozen