What should I expect to feel on Dbol and Testen???

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09 Nov 2011 09:01 #81577 by CoetzerJD
Hey gyus. I'm on my first cycle with 40 mg Dbol/day(from LP) and 600 mg's Testen from PGW per week. I'm on week 2 and would just like to know what should I expect to feel....I have low sex drive(which is a problem) I basically eat chicken, brown basmati rice, sweet potato and whey, o ja, and oats! I'm almost never hungry too...whats up with that?

I have packed on some size...must be water(+-3kg gain so far) Strength increase is little too...training intensity is up though.

I have no sides thus far as well...just the nads are shrinking, LOL.

Then another thing, should I use the Winnie to bridge until my PCt or can I start using it at week 8-12. The test is for 10 weeks and Dbol only for 4 weeks???

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09 Nov 2011 19:22 - 09 Nov 2011 19:26 #81721 by jakes
Bud on 600mg test I will fuck my bedlamp because it has a skirt.

Sometimes orals kill your hunger, but I don't know, maybe do some cardio after your first meal. That should make you hungry. You should be a lot more aggressive in the gym (good workouts) increased libido and more endurance/strength. I'd start the winni at week 10. It can't be the gear that's the prob, I only use pgw injectables and I've never had any probs

The test will kick in very nicely at week 4. Gee bietjie kaans, jys oor hastig
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09 Nov 2011 20:13 #81733 by VonD
hey just curious...why did you not add some Proviron to the cycle???

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09 Nov 2011 20:17 #81734 by jakes

VonD wrote: hey just curious...why did you not add some Proviron to the cycle???


do you think it would have made a major difference? Nice compound tho

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09 Nov 2011 20:26 #81736 by VonD
i mean its a beginner cycle so probably not a drastic difference but i recall DJ added Proviron to the cycle he posted that people should use as a beginner cycle.Well if you have the cash it can't do any harm. ;)

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09 Nov 2011 20:28 #81738 by VonD
@ CoetzerJD

if i may ask what are your stats?

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10 Nov 2011 07:27 #81789 by SLEON
Bud on 600mg test I will fuck my bedlamp because it has a skirt.

LOL!!!!!!!
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10 Nov 2011 10:05 #81810 by CoetzerJD
Hey Von...money was the issue for not adding proviron. I actually wanted to do a test and Equi course, but the money is hectic.....and I eat a lot, so that i costing me a pretty penny as well.

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10 Nov 2011 10:08 #81812 by CoetzerJD
LOL....making me more worried now...

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10 Nov 2011 10:12 #81814 by CoetzerJD
@ Von. My stats are the following:
Height: 1.83 m
Weight: 99 kg
BF%: 16-17% (I'm doing cardio to get this down) ;)

Do you guys use the 4 point fold method when measuring BF%?

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10 Nov 2011 10:14 #81816 by admin
It's only week two so don't expect much... The low libido is due to the Dianabol already aromatazing into estrogen and the Testen still has to "kick-in", so then you will have high estrogen compared to the free testosterone in your system. Wait another week or two and things will even out.

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10 Nov 2011 10:15 #81818 by admin
With 16-17% body fat it might be a good idea to use a low dose letro or adex just to avoid estrogen from becoming a problem.

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10 Nov 2011 10:30 #81822 by CoetzerJD

admin wrote: With 16-17% body fat it might be a good idea to use a low dose letro or adex just to avoid estrogen from becoming a problem.


I should just add that currently I have no signs of gyno or oily skin. I sweat a lot during the night, but that is normal for me and the Dbol is giving me painful back pumps when training.

Admin....will Nolva be adequate to combat raised estrogen levels?

Anyway...I think I'm a bit hasty and should wait it out. But training is awesome now....even if it is just a mind game and roids doesn't work(which it does) I lift heavier because of more confidence and because I know I've got the test in me that will make me stronger...so it's awesome!

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10 Nov 2011 10:38 - 10 Nov 2011 10:39 #81823 by Thunderbeast
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CoetzerJD wrote:

admin wrote: With 16-17% body fat it might be a good idea to use a low dose letro or adex just to avoid estrogen from becoming a problem.


I should just add that currently I have no signs of gyno or oily skin. I sweat a lot during the night, but that is normal for me and the Dbol is giving me painful back pumps when training.

Yes, but the test still has to kick in

Admin....will Nolva be adequate to combat raised estrogen levels?

no, it only block the effects of estrogen on receptor sites, it does not stop estrogen from being synthesized, plus it is highly toxic to tkae over extended periods.

Anyway...I think I'm a bit hasty and should wait it out. But training is awesome now....even if it is just a mind game and roids doesn't work(which it does) I lift heavier because of more confidence and because I know I've got the test in me that will make me stronger...so it's awesome!

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10 Nov 2011 10:43 #81826 by VonD

admin wrote: With 16-17% body fat it might be a good idea to use a low dose letro or adex just to avoid estrogen from becoming a problem.

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10 Nov 2011 11:23 #81829 by CoetzerJD

VonD wrote:

admin wrote: With 16-17% body fat it might be a good idea to use a low dose letro or adex just to avoid estrogen from becoming a problem.


What is a low dose .25mg/day or EOD?

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10 Nov 2011 11:37 - 10 Nov 2011 11:38 #81830 by VonD
yes eod would be fine if things get worse you can also up the dosage but doubt it on your cycle.Just remember letro takes a while to kick in.
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10 Nov 2011 12:05 #81847 by CoetzerJD
Thanks......So just to make sure....I will be taking the Letro at 0.25 mg EOD for the remainder of the cycle and into the PCT or not. At what week do I stop taking the Letro?

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10 Nov 2011 12:11 #81853 by Kkkyle
You will not use letro during PCT

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10 Nov 2011 12:17 #81856 by CoetzerJD
Kkkyle, so I stop as soon as I stop the test injection after week 10. Then I wait a month basically before starting my PCT(giving time for the amount of test in my system to come down)

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10 Nov 2011 12:58 #81888 by Kkkyle
I would carry on for maybe two or three weeks after your last injection since your last testen pin will still be active, letro has a 2-4 day half life from what i can gather so it clears your system pretty fast... but im not to sure its just what i can gather since im also only on my first cycle lol :) hopefully one of the guys with more experience can shed some light

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10 Nov 2011 13:25 #81897 by CoetzerJD

Kkkyle wrote: I would carry on for maybe two or three weeks after your last injection since your last testen pin will still be active, letro has a 2-4 day half life from what i can gather so it clears your system pretty fast... but im not to sure its just what i can gather since im also only on my first cycle lol :) hopefully one of the guys with more experience can shed some light


haha...ok cool. Thanks. How is your cycle going and what is it? You can post the link if you have it on the forum.

I'm already thinking about my next cycle...LOL. This really is a drug :silly:

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10 Nov 2011 13:53 - 10 Nov 2011 14:43 #81921 by CoetzerJD
Think I can just share my diet with you:

06:00 50 gr raw oats, 4 egg whites and 150 gr chicken fillet washed down with green tea with natural honey and lemon juice

09:00 150 gr chicken fillet and 150 gr whole grain rice

12:00 200 gr chicken and 150 gr sweet potato

16:00 3 scoops whey with 50 gr raw oats and an apple

17:30 BCAA and AAKG mix

17:30 -19:30 Water during training(+- 2.5 Lt)

19:30 2 scoops whey with 1 scoop waxy maize, L-Glutamine and BCAA

21:00 200 gr steak, 150 gr whole grain rice and small salad(no dressing)
or
200 gr chicken, mixed veggies and 150 gr rice.

It may not seem that much but it keeps me busy...LOL

There is no sauces...just dry everything ;)

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Last edit: 10 Nov 2011 14:43 by CoetzerJD. Reason: Made a mistake in the timing of a meal.

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10 Nov 2011 14:02 #81928 by VonD
whats your pre workout meal?
Add some dextrose to post workout to create a insulin spike to replenish glycogen levels.

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