Advice on Biogen Whey

Being new to this, can anyone give me their thoughts on the protein im taking:
www.biogen.co.za/products/iso-whey

Ingre:
Whey Protein Hydrolysate, Concentrate and Isolate Blend, Maltodextrin, Cocoa Powder (Only in Choc Flavour), Flavouring, Stabilizer, Non-nutritive Sweetener Blend (Sucralose, Acesulfame-K), Colurant (Only in Strawberry flavor) . - See more at: www.biogen.co.za/products/iso-whey#sthash.2G8pUMgI.dpuf

Is this stuff ok or just not up to stratch

Not up to scratch. To many fillers and not enough protien

Thanks Rhino, any thing you could suggest for me to be taking then instead?

Alex, go to the BSSA website, lots of genuine products at a fraction of the price.

www.bssa.biz/

OMF, wow, thanks North

I have a friend who works at Dischem and he told me Biogen is nothing other than USN. Biogen is Dischem's own brand, they just put different labels on etc.

Maltodextrin is a carb, why is it in whey?its a filler, also usn/biogen whey have abnormally high fat contents to their whey up to 20g per 100g. Thats not pure whey isolate as carb and fat content is less than 1g per 100g. That stuff is about as good as a door stop or a foot rest in my opinion

AlexRon wrote: Thanks Rhino, any thing you could suggest for me to be taking then instead?

more food bro

PP - im hitting my mark of 3500 cal a day at the mo, yesterday I hit 4500 cal

How much more food am I to eat bud?

DJ is saying this stuff is crap... ffs

DJ, just a note, im not using this one, the one im using is not on the site, its called Premium...
Its this one:
dischemonline.co.za/product-view/24346/b...nilla/path/96_97_200

Anyways, I think what im seeing here is that this stuff is cheap crap and I should try BSSA, but which ones am I to purchase?

Advice please

It says Iso and Premium so it must be good :ohmy: . For local brands rather go with nutritech 100% whey, SSN 100% whey, or Supplements SA Pure Whey.

Muscleaddict wrote: It says Iso and Premium so it must be good :ohmy: .

Part of being new to all of this yes....

Thanks for the advice

What's your stats with all those cals? From your profile pic I'd say your over eating if anything. Are you on cycle and bulking?

If you ramp up your calories too much suddenly you will gain a fair amount of fat. You need to do it gradually so your body and metabolism can adjust.

The truth is ive always never eaten hey, I would always skip breakfast and maybe lunch and eat maybe just dinner, most of the time just snacking on junk..

I would love to get some new measurements and body fat perce taken but not sure where to go for this, I asked my Doc this morning and he said he does not do it..

I finished my cycle about 2 weeks ago, haven't started my PCT's yet, that starts tomorrow, in 6 weeks I put on 5kg

Ive been eating as clean as I can, so not sure how much fat this is or water, the truth is im very lost on all of this and still trying to understand it all.

Eat carbs, don't eat carbs, cycle carbs, do cardio, don't do cardio, everyone seems to provide me with info that does not match..

Its really simple, yet hard

I want to put on some muscle and lose the fat..
Im eating 3500 cal a day - clean
I gym 6 days a week and push as hard as I can

What more is there to it

Ok first things first. If u are not a big eater add 20mins of cardio every morning before breakfast, after a week or two u will see your hunger pick up.

If u are scheduling 7 meals a day in your diet (post work out meal and 6 other meals) and u are eating every 3 hours and u arent getting hungry and feel like getting a meal in is a chore then u are over eating. U need to cut back on the food, get your metabolism racing by doing cardio and once u are hitting a meal every 2 hours then add in more calories to each meal.

Training 6 days a week is counter productive, u need to rest at least 2 days a week. Be it 2 days in a row or after every 2-3 days of training taking a rest is vital. 3 days of rest is better as u grow muscle when u are recovering and sleeping.

Don't over do the volume in your training if u are trying to put on muscle. Do 3-4 exercises and 3-4 sets per exercise at 6-10 reps per set. U should be using a weight light enough u can get at least 6 reps but a weight heavy enough u can't get more than 10.

The lower volume,higher intensity work outs will get your metabolic rate going to.

Remember to stick to compound movement first then isolation. So squats and leg press and deadlifts then go to leg extensions and hamstring curls etc. Yes I have said deadlift in your leg routine!

Keep a log book, each week make sure u are getting more reps or heavier weight for each set of the exercise! This forces progression.

For food : work out your maintaince calories and minus 500 calories, split that up into 7 meals. Try no more than 3 shake meals. Ear every 2-3 hours. U will see that by the time 2 hours comes u will eventually be so ravenous u can't wait to get a meal in. Thats when your metabolic rate is going so then u add more calories to each meal.

Hope that helps

I use to work in Dischem and I can personally tell you that Biogen is made in the very same factory as USN.

Same product,just one line gets a USN sticker and the other line gets a Biogen.

Stick with 1.Nutritech or 2.SSN

no, stick with Optimum whey. period.

hahahahhahahahaha. sorry but its just the best

morning77 wrote: no, stick with Optimum whey. period.

hahahahhahahahaha. sorry but its just the best

You have to take out a 2nd mortgage on your house to be able to afford optimum in this country.

morning77 wrote: no, stick with Optimum whey. period.

hahahahhahahahaha. sorry but its just the best

Cocaine is cheaper than ON. :blink:

DJ wrote: Ok first things first. If u are not a big eater add 20mins of cardio every morning before breakfast, after a week or two u will see your hunger pick up.

If u are scheduling 7 meals a day in your diet (post work out meal and 6 other meals) and u are eating every 3 hours and u arent getting hungry and feel like getting a meal in is a chore then u are over eating. U need to cut back on the food, get your metabolism racing by doing cardio and once u are hitting a meal every 2 hours then add in more calories to each meal.

Training 6 days a week is counter productive, u need to rest at least 2 days a week. Be it 2 days in a row or after every 2-3 days of training taking a rest is vital. 3 days of rest is better as u grow muscle when u are recovering and sleeping.

Don't over do the volume in your training if u are trying to put on muscle. Do 3-4 exercises and 3-4 sets per exercise at 6-10 reps per set. U should be using a weight light enough u can get at least 6 reps but a weight heavy enough u can't get more than 10.

The lower volume,higher intensity work outs will get your metabolic rate going to.

Remember to stick to compound movement first then isolation. So squats and leg press and deadlifts then go to leg extensions and hamstring curls etc. Yes I have said deadlift in your leg routine!

Keep a log book, each week make sure u are getting more reps or heavier weight for each set of the exercise! This forces progression.

For food : work out your maintaince calories and minus 500 calories, split that up into 7 meals. Try no more than 3 shake meals. Ear every 2-3 hours. U will see that by the time 2 hours comes u will eventually be so ravenous u can't wait to get a meal in. Thats when your metabolic rate is going so then u add more calories to each meal.

Hope that helps

DJ - thanks for much for the help, best advice ive been given since I started training, really feel like now I have something to work from...

Just a note, on Tuesday night I was 95.1kg, this morning I'm 93kg, feeling a bit depressed by this as I look better heavier, being tall and thin just don't work...

Started my PCT's today....

2 things
1 - You mention meal shake, what should I purchase as I don't have this?
2 - Where can I go to get body fat and measurements done please?

1. whey shake ...with dextrose after workout
2. Gym instructor at the gym ?

looks like I bought a door stopper last month :huh:

read the above by DJ Mozie

mike123 wrote: 2. Gym instructor at the gym ?

That's one of the issues I have, don't think any of them know how...properly

Use the search button for the B/F pictures and judge from there ...

Go for ssn whey protein, it's very good quality with no fillers or anything so it's good to go. Find a biokineticist or get yourself a set of calipers online and do it yourself.

How tall are u? Cos in your avatar u have a lot of body fat to loose.

Hi DJ

Would the SSN be my 2 meal shakes for the day? (11am and 2pm?) I see protein and meal shakes as diff things, correct me please

At the mo I take 1 scoop whey (Morning77 - yes the plat one!!) with 200ml water
in the morning when I wake - 6am
another at 11am
another after gym - 8pm
another as I go to bed - 10pm

I am 1.9m tall