Advice on Biogen Whey

I use to work in Dischem and I can personally tell you that Biogen is made in the very same factory as USN.

Same product,just one line gets a USN sticker and the other line gets a Biogen.

Stick with 1.Nutritech or 2.SSN

no, stick with Optimum whey. period.

hahahahhahahahaha. sorry but its just the best

morning77 wrote: no, stick with Optimum whey. period.

hahahahhahahahaha. sorry but its just the best

You have to take out a 2nd mortgage on your house to be able to afford optimum in this country.

morning77 wrote: no, stick with Optimum whey. period.

hahahahhahahahaha. sorry but its just the best

Cocaine is cheaper than ON. :blink:

DJ wrote: Ok first things first. If u are not a big eater add 20mins of cardio every morning before breakfast, after a week or two u will see your hunger pick up.

If u are scheduling 7 meals a day in your diet (post work out meal and 6 other meals) and u are eating every 3 hours and u arent getting hungry and feel like getting a meal in is a chore then u are over eating. U need to cut back on the food, get your metabolism racing by doing cardio and once u are hitting a meal every 2 hours then add in more calories to each meal.

Training 6 days a week is counter productive, u need to rest at least 2 days a week. Be it 2 days in a row or after every 2-3 days of training taking a rest is vital. 3 days of rest is better as u grow muscle when u are recovering and sleeping.

Don't over do the volume in your training if u are trying to put on muscle. Do 3-4 exercises and 3-4 sets per exercise at 6-10 reps per set. U should be using a weight light enough u can get at least 6 reps but a weight heavy enough u can't get more than 10.

The lower volume,higher intensity work outs will get your metabolic rate going to.

Remember to stick to compound movement first then isolation. So squats and leg press and deadlifts then go to leg extensions and hamstring curls etc. Yes I have said deadlift in your leg routine!

Keep a log book, each week make sure u are getting more reps or heavier weight for each set of the exercise! This forces progression.

For food : work out your maintaince calories and minus 500 calories, split that up into 7 meals. Try no more than 3 shake meals. Ear every 2-3 hours. U will see that by the time 2 hours comes u will eventually be so ravenous u can't wait to get a meal in. Thats when your metabolic rate is going so then u add more calories to each meal.

Hope that helps

DJ - thanks for much for the help, best advice ive been given since I started training, really feel like now I have something to work from...

Just a note, on Tuesday night I was 95.1kg, this morning I'm 93kg, feeling a bit depressed by this as I look better heavier, being tall and thin just don't work...

Started my PCT's today....

2 things
1 - You mention meal shake, what should I purchase as I don't have this?
2 - Where can I go to get body fat and measurements done please?

1. whey shake ...with dextrose after workout
2. Gym instructor at the gym ?

looks like I bought a door stopper last month :huh:

read the above by DJ Mozie

mike123 wrote: 2. Gym instructor at the gym ?

That's one of the issues I have, don't think any of them know how...properly

Use the search button for the B/F pictures and judge from there ...

Go for ssn whey protein, it's very good quality with no fillers or anything so it's good to go. Find a biokineticist or get yourself a set of calipers online and do it yourself.

How tall are u? Cos in your avatar u have a lot of body fat to loose.

Hi DJ

Would the SSN be my 2 meal shakes for the day? (11am and 2pm?) I see protein and meal shakes as diff things, correct me please

At the mo I take 1 scoop whey (Morning77 - yes the plat one!!) with 200ml water
in the morning when I wake - 6am
another at 11am
another after gym - 8pm
another as I go to bed - 10pm

I am 1.9m tall

Scoops are the stupidest things ever. Get a digital kitchen scale, that way u know u are being 100% accurate with your calorie intake.

Protein is protein bud. Whey is powdered protein, meat is solid protein, the difference is digestion times etc. Whey gets digested very quickly. Chicken not so much. So it takes the body a while to digest protein from chicken or other solid food protein sources. This helps u feel fuller for longer when u are dieting.

So for example your diet would look like this in terms of protein :

Meal 1 solid protein
Meal 2 liquid protein(whey)
Meal 3 solid protein
Meal 4 liquid protein
Meal 5 solid protein
Meal 6 solid protein
Post work out liquid protein.

Solid protein sources : chicken fish ostrich seafood egg whites beef steak(fillet) fish.

Liquid protein : whey protein concentrate, whey protein isolate, casein protein.

Apologies for the misunderstanding DJ, I was aware of this, your last post about me having some of my meals as a shake made me wonder if I should go out and buy something with protein and carbs in it, which is why I asked what should I buy for this, to which you said SSN Whey, which im not sure if it has carbs in or not?

Thanks again for the info

Rather eat your carbs. Whey and oats is a good meal to have. U dont need to cook your oats u can blend it up and drink it with your whey. Alot of meal replacements have got high gi carb sources which isnt the best when u are dieting and trying to build up your metabolism like u are.

I'd guess your BF being at least 20 probably higher.

Blending you oats is the best way to get it in and it goes down quick and easy in your shake. 1 flat scoop of whey is only 16-18g with most of those big scoops.