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26 Aug 2014 11:52 #173768 by Ondier
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Good day my brothers in steel

I have been very quiet on the forum. I thought it is time for an update. Most of the guys on here knows me and my story (and my face B)) by now.

To recapp in short. I have trained all natural in my early days, up until around 21 years of age. (1994 - 1999). From around 2000 I started a rock band, and completely fell off the wagon. I lost myself in liquor, drugs & rock & roll. My weight went from a lean 90kg to 165kg in 10 years of abuse in every way possible.

In 2011 I realized I'm busy dying, not busy living. That is when I found out I have sleep apnea, and started to sleep with a cpap machine. I started to loose weight just from the increase in quality sleep. I stopped my abusive habits and started to train.

My weight went down to 135kg. It went down more in kg but I can't remember the specific digits anymore. Lowest was around 112kg. I started a Test & dbol cycle with my bodyfat around 20%. The increase of test was superb (aged 34) and was just what I needed.

I finished the cycle- had some ops during the last part of the cycle which hindered my training but boosted my recovery.

I started BSSA in 2012. But this was at a time when I couldn't train much myself. I also went out of the country quite often as my export business demanded me going to Mozambique every couple of weeks. The supps was just a sideline business and I couldn't spend much time on it. I left all of my bad habits except for liquor. I had a braai at least every 2nd / 3rd day and supplemented with any liquor by the litre. Mostly a case of beer a night.

This year January I decided to go full time with the supplements and moved my export business to the side line. To build our name we had to start sponsor athletes and events.

I started training on the 17th of February. I had to build up myself from being very overweight again to a place where I could actually get on stage to hand over prices to athletes who are in top condition. I had to step up my game.

I quit drinking alcohol. I changed my diet. I started training. In the beginning I was too tired and depleted to do any cardio. I did only weights 5 days a week.

I experimented with our supps- tried different concoctions before, intra and post workout. I started a journal at the gym - writing down every workout's weights and sets. Every week I tried to beat the previous week's numbers. If it is not possible in weight then I would do it in reps.

It pleases me to post my "before" and "intermediate" picture. I will call it my intermediate pic as I am only maybe halfway in my journey and this is definitely not my "after" shot.

Current stats
Age 37
Length 1.82m

On the left:
My weight was 122kg. Probably with bf in the 40s

On the right:
My weight is now at 124kg. I guess my bf is still in the low to mid 20s

We moved a couple of months ago and I couldn't find my caliper yet.

I will fine tune all in the near future- at this stage I still see results weekly. I'm not preparing for comps or anything like that- it is just a matter of bettering myself everyday.

My post is not structured well - sorry about that. I will edit and fine tune as I keep this thread updated.

Current gear- Nothing special- I have been on TRT since 2012. I love it. Once a year I will go off for 2 -3 months using only DAA.

I started cardio about three weeks ago- first at 400 calories per session, now I do 600 calories fasted cycling every morning.

I'm going to gym now before my Beta Alanine works out hehehe. I will post back this afternoon with my current diet, supps, training etc.


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26 Aug 2014 12:27 #173769 by Muscleaddict
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Amazing progress for 5 months. Well done and keep doing what you're doing bud.
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26 Aug 2014 12:40 #173770 by FIllet
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Great work... Carry on mate.
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26 Aug 2014 12:44 #173771 by admin
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That's one of the best transformations I've seen and only in 5 months, well done Ondier.

This will be an inspiration to many...
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26 Aug 2014 13:49 #173773 by Ondier
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Thanks buds

It means a lot coming from you guys.

I will update shortly with more details thanks

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26 Aug 2014 14:41 #173778 by Flex
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Welldone! Dit wil gedoen word! Truly inspirational
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26 Aug 2014 14:42 - 26 Aug 2014 14:52 #173779 by mike123
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Nice one ...one day at a time bru...ja soe ou moet karma kry +1 B)
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26 Aug 2014 14:48 #173781 by Oupa
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Goeie werk ouboet. Good stuff. +1
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26 Aug 2014 18:28 #173790 by Ondier
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Thanks julle

Cardio:
I just lift weights faster... :P No just kidding.
Mornings I do fasted cardio. 600 calories, generally about 45 minutes of high resistance low rpm (60 - 65 RPM) cycling. I will drink 2 strong black cups of coffee when I wake. I also squeeze out half a lemon in a cup with half a teaspoon cinnamon. I add boiled water to this and drink this before I start my cardio. This pushes up my temperature and I have read that it assists in breaking down fat. Sometimes I will take a Disprin too before hand. Feels like a Med Lemon effect.
Sometimes I will add in cardio in the evenings but since I bumped my calories up from 400 to 600 I don't have the go or the energy left to do cardio at night.

Weights:
Like I said in my first post. I started a gym journal. This was the best decision and change I could ever made. I take my little black book to gym and write down all my exercises with the reps and plate count / weight I used. The following week I will try and perform better on every exercise. If not by weight then I'll complete more reps. What makes this nice is the fact that I don't have any "wasted" or unsure sets. I know exactly what weight to start on.

I keep changing my routines and I like to keep my body guessing what will be next. I lost a good couple of cm's with a program from Kyle Leon. It consists of supersets and it is awesome for keeping the heart rate up but it doesn't concentrate on specific body parts which I didn't like. It was like doing circuit with weights. It consisted of one Push day and one Pull day. Push day would start of in the first set by doing Flat bench with barbell- then superset straight on to Tricep pressdowns. That was one set. Repeat for 4 sets. Then Military DB lifts for shoulders and straight on to Leg press. You get the idea.

These days I train more old school again. I will aim for reps between 8 and 12. If I do make 12 I'll try for 13 or 14 or failure. I did 4 sets of each exercise- bumped it up to 5 sets from this week.
It says Mondays but it might as well said Day 1-5 as you will see in my below explanation.
Mondays - Shoulders
Tuesdays - Arms
Wednesday - Legs
Thursday - Chest
Friday - Back

I don't stick to these days if I missed a session. Say we are preparing for an exhibition and I missed Chest - then my days will move on. In other words I might skip a day or too but I don't skip body parts. This is also a change that is doing wonders for me. If I missed a day in the past (and it was usually Thursdays and Fridays when I had my excuses to skip gym) I would stick to my regime and skip that body part. Now I might miss training a day but I don't skip any body parts. That is one of the reasons my back always lacked - I didn't gym most Fridays. At this stage Mondays are my leg day and Fridays are arms.

Diet & Supps:
I start off with a whey and raw oats shake with Garcinia Cambogia, L Glutamine, L Arginine, Dextrose, D Aspartic Acid and ZMA after my cardio. I like to flavor this shake with Amila Apple / Pear.
Then I will have brown rice and usually chicken breast for breakfast, or boiled / scrambled eggs. I also do a beef mince / scrambled egg mixture some times on top of my brown rice. Depending on my timing before gym I might have a similar meal before I go to gym. This last two weeks I was on Spar's bulk sirloin & rump @ R59-99/kg. I cut off all extra and possible fat.

I will take around 5 grams of Beta Alanine before I leave for the gym, 10g of BCAA or L Leucine and 10g of L Glutamine in my shaker to gym which I will sip through my first few sets.

Post Workout I do around 120g of carbs (80g oats and 40g Dextrose) and 60 - 70g of Whey protein. I add 20g of L Glutamin to this shake, sometimes a bit of L Taurine, Alka plus which keeps my body alkaline and in an acid free state, 1000 - 2000mg Vitamin C and I will add another flavouring of Amila again, probably Orange & Naartjie or Fruit Cocktail.

Then I will do another meal like the above. Some afternoons I will do Chilli Pilchards with my brown rice or swop the Rice for a potato.

In the evenings I will have a similar meal again, or I love to bake a whole large chicken in the oven for myself. If I eat this I will not have any carbs with it, maybe a small and simple salad or green veggies like Broccoli or Spinach.

I know my meal plan at his stage is far from perfect but it is still working for me. I will change and fine tune when my results are not on par anymore. My meals are boring and simple I know. What I do add if I'm getting too gatvol is different sauces from Steers. I like the Prego, Peri-peri and Burger relish sauces.
I will coat my chicken breasts in Oive oil and braai 4 - 6 kg at a time on a sekelbos fire. I love the smell and the taste. These breasts then goes 3 or 4 in a little plastic bag in to the fridge and freezer. When they are cold I will cut them in thin slices with a electric slicing / sliding machine like the ones they use for cold meat. These thin slices of breast goes down easy as they are not that dry- it mixes easy with my rice and one of the above sauces in a big lunchbox and with a few shakes everything is covered with the "marinate" :P

Before I go to bed I will have another glass of water with only GABA, DAA and ZMA. This I believe is one of the best supplement drinks you can make yourself and I will also say that these 3 products together are very potent for recovery, fat loss, lean muscle gains, libido etc. I also believe it is because of these three ingredients in my night cap that I don't experience Testicular shrinkage although I have been on TRT for 3 years.

I also take CLA, L Carnitine and Omega 3 daily.

All supps off course are from BSSA.

I get pain in my knee where I had a ligament op if I take Creatine. It happens with both monohydrate and with CEE. I have no idea why. I still need to do my research on this.

I have used no hardcore fat burners this year but I am going to try FFF now. Right when I started out in February I had a few drops of LP Clen left but it was only enough for about 2 weeks and couldn't do much.

As for gear- At this stage I'm trying to get smaller not bigger. It is also difficult for me to talk gear for future plans as you will get uninformed idiots who stumbles across this thread who will always discredit your hard work, supplement- training- and diet research and write it off as AAS usage. I'm not sure how I am going to handle that yet. Maybe I'll ask Admin if I can do another account for this purpose. I must just remember not to answer my own posts like Jakes did ;)

General:
From my pics - I look at least 10 years younger on the 2nd photo. I still have handles which are covered by the towel, but they are much smaller. :blush:

My pics were the motivation behind me starting cardio now.

I went from a 3XL / 4XL shirt to an XL shirt. I have much more energy and I am more focused on my tasks. I feel like a new person. My weight is currently at 124kg. 2 kg heavier than than my "before" pic. I need to make a small correction though- on the right side I am also 122kg. From there on my weight went up with another 2kg to where I currently am. So my weight in both of the above pics is 122kg.

I would like to encourage other heavies not to look at the scale, but to look at the mirror and the way your clothes fit. I have lost around 25 - 30 cm just on my belt size. I punch in a new hole every 2nd week.

I never had the V Taper- I was always build like a square block with massive calves and quads, good chest and arms. I almost always neglected my back as it was on Fridays - mainly because I went pub lunching and because I thought I was build like a block and my back will not widen. Since I don't skip back anymore I'm amazed with the size and increase in V I experience.

I still have a long way to go but I'm all up for it. I think I took a long time to grow up. I wasted a good 16 years which could have been training and my life could have turned out completely different.

I don't have a problem with adding size and my muscles responds immediately to any exercise I do. I have always been the strongest kid (and biggest) around and I know my genes are in favor of building muscle or getting fat. Its what I do that determines the outcome. I'm looking forward to share my experience with you all.

And having the amazing athletes that we sponsor and being part of the body building shows and part of their preparations and all the new friends I made is also very encouraging and it helps a lot with my motivation. I'm training now like I am going to compete hehehe although that is not my intention or in my future goals. But it is all a matter of being the best you can be every day. And when I go to bed at night I feel I did my best for that day and that is good enough for me.

That is it for now. Please feel free to ask or comment on anything. I like sharing and if it can help anyone that is a bonus B)

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26 Aug 2014 18:37 #173792 by Kuifie
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Thank you Ondier. Great progress sofar. and great to read your story. Well done

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27 Aug 2014 05:47 #173793 by Rhino
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Nice work Bud! Keep it up and keep us posted

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27 Aug 2014 09:28 #173801 by RonTheSaveg
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Ondier, bru.. Despite dealing with you for a while now, I never knew your story. You have inspired me in such a huge way today! So thank you for that. I have to tell you, I saw a pic of you on stage or somewhere, the other day.. Can't exactly remember.. And I could notice a huge difference! I had to actually look a few times. :woohoo:

Well, well done Ondier! You have chosen the right path and you have to stay on it! NO going backwards for you now. All eyes are on you! :silly:

Keep us posted and stay strong! All the best Ondier!

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27 Aug 2014 10:10 #173804 by Ondier
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RonTheSaveg wrote: Ondier, bru.. Despite dealing with you for a while now, I never knew your story. You have inspired me in such a huge way today! So thank you for that. I have to tell you, I saw a pic of you on stage or somewhere, the other day.. Can't exactly remember.. And I could notice a huge difference! I had to actually look a few times. :woohoo:

Well, well done Ondier! You have chosen the right path and you have to stay on it! NO going backwards for you now. All eyes are on you! :silly:

Keep us posted and stay strong! All the best Ondier!


Thanks you Savage ;) Much appreciated my brother B)

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27 Aug 2014 12:11 #173809 by Cyclo
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Ondier +1.

Bro this is amazing and so motivational.

And NO GEAR!!!

That I think is the lesson for all the big fellas wanting to drop weight.

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Experience comes from bad judgement.
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14 Sep 2014 18:08 #174490 by Nate40
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Truly amazing progress!! Well done Ondier. Nate

Today I will do what I never thought possible!
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23 Sep 2014 16:08 #175129 by NorthBoy
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Ondier, ek was lanklaas op die forum.....Fantastiese vordering en baie goed gemotiveerd !! Baie trots op jou !! :woohoo:

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23 Sep 2014 17:21 #175142 by Nightwolf85
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Ondier!! Well fricken done mater!! Wat n inspirasie!! Baie baie sterkte en sal die thread dophou as ek n bietjie motivation nodig het!!
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23 Sep 2014 17:54 #175146 by Norris7
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Firstly, well done on your progress bud, looks like you have been killing it! B)


Secondly,how did you discover that you had sleep apnea?

I have a small feeling that I might suffer from it as well :unsure:

I am constantly tired all day every day and can fall asleep just a few minutes upon sitting down whether it be driving or at work :ohmy:

Sorry for hijacking the thread but I am really interested in this.

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10 Oct 2014 10:57 #175943 by Ondier
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NorthBoy wrote: Ondier, ek was lanklaas op die forum.....Fantastiese vordering en baie goed gemotiveerd !! Baie trots op jou !! :woohoo:


Dankie my broer ;)

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10 Oct 2014 10:58 #175944 by Ondier
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Nightwolf85 wrote: Ondier!! Well fricken done mater!! Wat n inspirasie!! Baie baie sterkte en sal die thread dophou as ek n bietjie motivation nodig het!!


Thanks Nightwolf. Every day is a step closer!

Dankie pella

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10 Oct 2014 11:06 #175945 by Ondier
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Norris7 wrote: Firstly, well done on your progress bud, looks like you have been killing it! B)


Secondly,how did you discover that you had sleep apnea?

I have a small feeling that I might suffer from it as well :unsure:

I am constantly tired all day every day and can fall asleep just a few minutes upon sitting down whether it be driving or at work :ohmy:

Sorry for hijacking the thread but I am really interested in this.


Hi Norris - no problem bud. Sorry for the late replies I did not receive or missed my notifications.

I went to a GP when I felt lethargic, tired and depressed and he saw I had darker patches / stains on my calves and on my shins. He said that is because of insufficient oxygen and blood flow as I might not go in to my REM sleep.

He advised me to see the Sleep Clinic in Pretoria. I slept a night out while they had all their probes and testers on my chest and my results very pretty bad. I can't remember the exact details but for every 120 seconds of sleep I stopped breathing for about 80 or so.

I was snoring heavily and then sounded like a Lister engine starting up or someone waking up while under surgery ;)

It changed my life! Go and test yourself bud. You will not believe how this will benefit your gains if you do suffer from sleep apnea.

Actually anyone that snores does have a form of sleep apnea.

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10 Oct 2014 11:11 #175946 by Rhino
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I only snore after a bottle of Jameson (off cycle of coarse :lol:

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10 Oct 2014 11:23 #175947 by Ondier
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Rhino wrote: I only snore after a bottle of Jameson (off cycle of coarse :lol:


Those days bud I sort off had the same side effects from a case of Windhoek draught ;)

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03 Dec 2014 16:03 #178355 by Ondier
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Good afternoon my brothers in steel

I wanted to update you all on my latest thoughts and achievements.

7 days before the Olympia show in October and our exhibition at the show I started depleting myself from carbs completely (took only about 30grams of raw oats every morning in my shake)and drank up to 8 litres of water a day. I also took a quarter tablet(whole tablet devided in 4 pieces) of Adco Retic every morning. I thought this would be mild enough on my kidneys but still would help me to drop excessive water.

This turned out to work very well for me- 2 days before the show I started to double up on my carb portions and it really made me full and hard (for a fatty) for show day. For the last couple of shows I also went for a tan as I would stick out when handing prices over on stage between the tans of the athletes- and nothing more downgrading like a white bicep sticking out of a shirt on a victory pose. :silly:

So when I arrived at the Olympia to set up our stand some people were in awe when they saw me. I dropped 10kg in those 7 days and even some of the judges asked me if I was going to compete.

The way my body responded amazed me and it was so inspirational. After the Olympia I decided that I will challenge the stage in 2016. I have a lot of work to do. I have done my bf the week after the Olympia and it was still on 29%, which was dissapointing as I thought I was down to under 25% already :blush:

Anyway - that just boosted me in to more determination of getting it all together. I'm working harder than ever before. Still do my fasted morning cardio for 45 minutes, then weights around 11h / 12h, and trying to do another cardio session in the afternoon as well. But I must admit the 2nd one does not always fly. Too much depletion and too tired.

So I am sure my bf is down to 25% at this stage, if not more. I will keep pushing through December as we are not going away - too much preperation for our January orders as January is our busiest month.

By the end of December I will do my BF again. I will also try and do some pics for you in the next week or two.

2015 will be a year of experimenting for me- I will use each show as a "prep" as if I was going to compete as well. I will tweak and play and learn how my body will respond. I have to have the look of a succesfull supplement guru anyway at the shows :P

2015 will also be a year of dropping more bf but very important to pic up size too. When I am down to 8% BF I will probably still be over 95kg and I don't have the muscle maturity or size of the guys that I will be competing with. So it will be a year of hard work and plenty of updates on the forum. I will post regular updates - not only will it be good to get feedback from you all but it is good exposure for my supplement brand too

2016 will be my year for getting on to stage...And I will nail it B)

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03 Dec 2014 23:03 #178361 by thePridge
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Good luck dude! Keep pushing!
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