Amesh's Diet Advice and Clen question

Is Liquid Clen effective solo?

Yes of course...

There is synergy between clen and yohimbine but clen alone is potent stuff.

What can i cycle it with to enhance fat burning?

Amesh wrote: What can i cycle it with to enhance fat burning?

Yohimbine.

But bud, need your stats and diet. No amount of fat burners can compensate for a crappy diet.
And fat burners should only really be used with that last little bit.

So tell us what you working with and then we can advise.

Also please open a new thread... You're posting in two different topics. Create your own, that way it's easy for you to go back and see what was said

TRAINING DAYS
Meal 1 :
2 full eggs
100g lean beef steak
500ml water

Meal 2
40g whey protein powder
20g Peanut butter
500ml WATER

Meal 3
150g steak
2 cups mixed veg/green veg
500ml water

Meal 4
150g chicken
20g almonds
2 cups mixed veg/green veg
500ml water

Meal 5 (pre bed)
40g whey protein powder
20g Peanut butter
500ml WATER

Pre work out meal(30-45mins pre work out)
50g oats
30g raisins
Post work out
40g whey protein
10g glutamine

1 hour post training
170g chicken
1 cup mixed veg/green veg.
500ml water







NON WORK OUT DAYS
Meal 1
1 full eggs
100g lean beef steak
500ml water

Meal 2
40g whey protein
50g oats

Meal 3
160g chicken
1-2 cups mixed veg

Meal 4
40g whey protein
20g peanut butter

Meal 5
200g white fish
1 cup mixed veg/green veg.
500ml water

Meal 6
170g chicken
2 cups mixed veg/green veg
500ml water

Meal 7
40g whey protein powder
500ml WATER

Thats my diet, Yohimbine had an awful effect on my body, like sever cramps

ok i will create a new tread

Thanks a mil

Supplement with taurine to control the cramping. Calcium and magnesium may also help

Based on your diet I wouldn't advise yohimbine as insulin completely blunts it's effect... Save it for a keto diet.


Run the clen with an ECA stack, like heat for instance.

He can't run Clen and Heat together unless he's going to run clen 2 weeks on 2 weeks off and then run the heat when he's not on clen. But Not at the same time!!
What are your stats Amesh? BF% unless your in single figures and already have abs you should forget the fat burners and wait until you are and actually need them .

Sorry should have been more clear...

But Amesh read this: www.anabolicsteroids.co.za/forum/2-anabo...ow-about-clenbuterol

It's the best resource on clen and yohimbine.
Also a few other compounds are mentioned.

But please do Listen to Rhinos advice, and post your stats!

Thanks a mil guy's

ECA freaks me out with the slightest heart pain.

stats

1.73 m
83.4 kg
BF 19%
Visceral 9%

no abs just a ponch lol which i need to get rid of

Your Bf% is too high to even consider fat burners. I'll look at your stats and diet when I get a chance... But diet alone should be more than enough for you to drop weight.

Yes Mason it is,

i am looking to cut down to 10%, hence the choice of advanced science so that i can get the desired effect quicker, after watching Bigger Stronger Faster i realized that an aesthetic body can only be achieved with hard work - discipline- diet and Juice

I know what i need in terms of bulking and what cycles to use etc, i have never "cut" before so that's why i need the advice and experiential knowledge you tried and tested so that i can learn easily, what do the pro's use after an off season bulk to get that immaculate shape?

Clen is what everybody raves about at my gym, together with winnie, but since i have joint issues in my cuffs i am not going to risk cycling clen and winnie

yeah fat burners never work on me, i have tried the over the counter stuff like oxy elite, hydroxy and cla with green tea caps and diet fuel, and i got no results, i tried mach 3 and yohimbine and that cramped me to an excruciating extent

i know cycling works better than a solo especially with 19% bf

Thank you for the guidance and taking time to help me bro, much appreciated

Don't stress about it, will quickly get you on the right track... How old are you bud? Need this to determine your BMR

I am of the calender Bro, turned 32 October

Mason Might wrote: Based on your diet I wouldn't advise yohimbine as insulin completely blunts it's effect... Save it for a keto diet.


Run the clen with an ECA stack, like heat for instance.

Can someone use clen and yohimbine on a cyclical Keto Diet?

Mason Might wrote: Your Bf% is too high to even consider fat burners. I'll look at your stats and diet when I get a chance... But diet alone should be more than enough for you to drop weight.

I agree with mason here. Probably not what you want to here but I would advise using the most powerful tool for losing bodyfat first which is diet and the second best tool which is exercise. Then once you hit a plateau bring these burners. I'd start with GHS then onto t3 then progress to clen if needs be.

You won't get best results just throwing it all in and hoping for overnight success.

Not what you want to hear though I doubt.

OK.
I get your BMR at 2877kcal based on 5 training days a week (Harris Benedict Formula)

Now I used best case scenario for your diet and assumed you using peanut butter with no added sugar or salt. Lean topside steak, skinless chicken breast etc...

And I found you eating 2681 kcal per day.
Now a 20% deficit is OK at your BF so step 1. You need to adjust your diet, in my opinion you are eating too many calories a day to promote fat loss.

I would recommend you aim for 2300kcal, so put something together and we can tweak from there...

BMS yes you could...

Yohimbine is only rendered ineffective once insulin is released. So if once a week you have a carb up, the 6/7 days the yohimbine is in full force.

If your timing carbs around workouts yohimbine can still be effective but then you want to get it in first thing in the morning and do fasted cardio in the very least...

Mason Might wrote: BMS yes you could...

Yohimbine is only rendered ineffective once insulin is released. So if once a week you have a carb up, the 6/7 days the yohimbine is in full force.

If your timing carbs around workouts yohimbine can still be effective but then you want to get it in first thing in the morning and do fasted cardio in the very least...

Thanks bud. I've been reading the keto book. They suggested that in the CKD the carb up can be started 5 hours prior to the last workout 25-50g of carbs. Then 2 hours prior to last working, you can have a fruit for the glucose and fructose.

Now for a 5 day split training, does my carb up start on Friday 5 hours before gym? Then Saturday. I'm confused there.

The guys here suggest that carb up should be Sunday's last meal. Preferably do legs on Monday.
Please help there

Thanks guy's

yeah i realized this is a marathon not a sprint in terms of attaining my desired look,

TRAINING DAYS
Meal 1 :
1 full egg
1 slice rye toast
1 apple
500ml water

Meal 2
40g whey protein powder
20g Peanut butter
500ml WATER

Meal 3
100g steak
1 cups mixed veg/green veg
500ml water

Meal 4
100g chicken
20g almonds
1 cups mixed veg/green veg
500ml water

Meal 5 (pre bed)
40g whey protein powder
20g Peanut butter
500ml WATER

Pre work out meal(30-45mins pre work out)
50g oats
30g raisins
Post work out
40g whey protein
10g glutamine

1 hour post training
170g chicken
1 cup mixed veg/green veg.
500ml water







NON WORK OUT DAYS
Meal 1
1 full eggs
100g lean beef steak
500ml water

Meal 2
40g whey protein
50g oats

Meal 3
100g chicken
1 cups mixed veg

Meal 4
40g whey protein
20g peanut butter

Meal 5
100g white fish
1 cup mixed veg/green veg.
500ml water

Meal 6
100g chicken
1 cups mixed veg/green veg
500ml water

Meal 7
40g whey protein powder
500ml WATER

my reviewed diet bro's please tell me if this is adequate

I just got Jay Cutlers undisputed full edition dvd :woohoo:

Bud what's the calories?
Also whats the macros? Protein /Carbohydrates / Fats?

Total Cal = +- 2400
Protein = 220
carbs = 60
fat = 22

i don't know what macro's are

Macro nutrients are protein, Carbs and fats bud...

That looks good to me.
I'm a fan of keeping protein as high as possible when dieting down... So happy there.

Whichever 'day' that applies to, you can eat that way on both training and non training days...

Next step is to start a log. So weigh yourself on the day you start and give us weekly updates as to your weight BF, training etc. This way we can constantly tweak and monitor your progress. This will also be an invaluable resource when you do decide it's time to start AAS.

thanks bro

will start logging now

i have the LP liquid clen already, going to start that today or tom morning

End of Jan next year i am hoping to start GH :lol:

By the way the advice here is of the chain :woohoo: in comparison to the lies at gym, ask guys at the gym for advice and they like buy this or that brand of supplement etc, when they actually on AAS and no honesty