Back Acne

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How long does it normaly take for Back Acne or acne in general to disipate. I figure everyone is different in this regard but i was hoping to get a general idea from different people on this. My last cycle was Deca, Test, Winstrol, Var, Pct. The cycle ran at 16 weeks and 2 months after this cycle i still have major breakouts.

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How did your PCT look?

Howzit Vega

hcg from two weeks into cycle all the way through and 4 weeks post cycle at 500iu twice a week during and 500iu 3 times a week post. As well as clomid for one week and letro.

I'm not a huge PCT expert but who is? I'll give you my opinions but guys like Inja, Netro and Fitsquirrel would also make a good contribution to this discussion.

Your PCT was far to short for a cycle like that. I would re do the PCT but leaving out the HCG. 100mg Clomid for 7 days follow by 50mg Clomid for 7 days followed by at least three weeks of kessar at 20mg per day.

Don't use Letro as part of you PCT, for some reason it just doesn't work as part of a PCT.

PCT too short and not enough HCG in my experience... Easy to work out are you balls back in action? If not extend HCG 1500iu mon/wed/fri follow up by 100mg Clomid for 5 days and 30 days @ 20mg Nolva... To long with the Clomid and it will begin to desensitize the pituitary to GnRH where as Nolva seems to do the opposite and actually increase pituitary sensitivity.

vega5 wrote:

I'm not a huge PCT expert but who is? I'll give you my opinions but guys like Inja, Netro and Fitsquirrel would also make a good contribution to this discussion.

Your PCT was far to short for a cycle like that. I would re do the PCT but leaving out the HCG. 100mg Clomid for 7 days follow by 50mg Clomid for 7 days followed by at least three weeks of kessar at 20mg per day.

Don't use Letro as part of you PCT, for some reason it just doesn't work as part of a PCT.

I agree, the pct was too short.

IMO when using HCG there will have to be a pct of sorts from this as HCG mimicks LH in the body, but your pituitary will still be sluggish while it takes over this production.

Agree with Vega to rerun pct for 4 weeks with no hcg.

Have to be careful of estrogen rebound using letro for pct as letro shuts down estrogen aromatase quite hard.
Nolva for pct is my staple. You need to run this for at least 4 weeks after a 16 week cycle. Can use clomid as well, just my preference is nolva.

As far as the acne, IMO it's best not to hope it just subsides as it doesn't always and get it treated.
THe thing that I've found works well is doxycycline. Not always, but in most cases seems to clear up acne pretty well and far easier on the body than drugs like Roaccutane.
Also depends on the extent on the acne, but I would run doxy.

Wash the infected area with Oxy face wash. It really helps! I wouldn't mess too much with the acne for now, first check how the PCT works out!

All good points and remember to detox your body with green tea and the likes.

true, things arnt firing as they should but running another pct 2 months after finishing a 4 week pct, is that acceptable?
I was told to run letro and not nolva because it doesnt mix well with Deca, can someone clarify why?

Jackson wrote:

true, things arnt firing as they should but running another pct 2 months after finishing a 4 week pct, is that acceptable?
I was told to run letro and not nolva because it doesnt mix well with Deca, can someone clarify why?

Do you mean on cycle or during pct?

Nolva is always the standard for pct to help get you kicking again, no matter what you've run on cycle. Nolva blocks the estrogen receptors so you're body isn't absorbing estrogen, but doesn't stop the actual aromatase. This fools your body into thinking it doesn't have enough estrogen and since your body produces testosterone by negative feedback as one of the main mechanisms, it will start producing testosterone to compensate for the lack of estrogen.
Letro on the other hand is an aromatase inhibitor and stops the conversion of testosterone to estrogen. This should be used on cycle to stop excess conversion of estrogen from testosterone, since you will have higher than normal levels of testosterone, so there will be excess estrogen conversion.

But letro is very powerful and because of this you can get estrogen rebound when using it for pct because there will be such low levels of estrogen. You should always follow letro with nolva in case of this, which fits in well if you run letro on cycle and nolva for pct.

HCG mimicks lutenising hormone which is the signal for your testes to produce testosterone, so it is a good idea to take this on a long cycle during the cycle to stop the testes from working completely so they retain integrity for when you start pct.
But the pituitary is responsible for producing LH and since there is a foreign source it will become sluggish and there will need to be a second pct of sorts to get the pituitary working agian.

So running another pct is fine, without HCG, and can only help in getting your natural test kicking again.
Deca is unfortunately one of the most suppressive compounds, and the metabolites remain in your blood stream for up to 18 months after cessation. Stands to reason the active matabolites will be exerting some sort of effect similar to the parent hormone and causes some sort of suppressive effect. NPP is a better choice of nanadrolene because it has a much shorter half life IMO.

I ran Letro for 30 days after the cycle only and not during with nothing to counter the rebound, my misses thought i was having an affair hahaha. shame poor girl.
I see now where i went wrong and thank you bro for the info, i will go ahead with a second pct and also consult a doc about Doxy .
Thanx

Yohimbe wrote:

Jackson wrote:

true, things arnt firing as they should but running another pct 2 months after finishing a 4 week pct, is that acceptable?
I was told to run letro and not nolva because it doesnt mix well with Deca, can someone clarify why?

Do you mean on cycle or during pct?

Nolva is always the standard for pct to help get you kicking again, no matter what you've run on cycle. Nolva blocks the estrogen receptors so you're body isn't absorbing estrogen, but doesn't stop the actual aromatase. This fools your body into thinking it doesn't have enough estrogen and since your body produces testosterone by negative feedback as one of the main mechanisms, it will start producing testosterone to compensate for the lack of estrogen.
Letro on the other hand is an aromatase inhibitor and stops the conversion of testosterone to estrogen. This should be used on cycle to stop excess conversion of estrogen from testosterone, since you will have higher than normal levels of testosterone, so there will be excess estrogen conversion.

But letro is very powerful and because of this you can get estrogen rebound when using it for pct because there will be such low levels of estrogen. You should always follow letro with nolva in case of this, which fits in well if you run letro on cycle and nolva for pct.

HCG mimicks lutenising hormone which is the signal for your testes to produce testosterone, so it is a good idea to take this on a long cycle during the cycle to stop the testes from working completely so they retain integrity for when you start pct.
But the pituitary is responsible for producing LH and since there is a foreign source it will become sluggish and there will need to be a second pct of sorts to get the pituitary working agian.

So running another pct is fine, without HCG, and can only help in getting your natural test kicking again.
Deca is unfortunately one of the most suppressive compounds, and the metabolites remain in your blood stream for up to 18 months after cessation. Stands to reason the active matabolites will be exerting some sort of effect similar to the parent hormone and causes some sort of suppressive effect. NPP is a better choice of nanadrolene because it has a much shorter half life IMO.

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Jackson wrote:

How long does it normaly take for Back Acne or acne in general to disipate?

Like you said it tends to be person specific, but I find my acne never really clears up until my natural hormones are in equilibrium again. Immediately posty cycle when I inhibit estrogen and start to produce androgen I get my first surge of new acne. After stopping PCT altogether and allowing hormones to even out, rapid increases in estrogen seem to signal the seconds surge. Then a week or two out all is good again.

Jackson wrote:

Hcg from two weeks into cycle all the way through and 4 weeks post cycle at 500iu twice a week during and 500iu 3 times a week post. As well as clomid for one week and letro

As mentioned above a Nandrolone containing cycle always requires a long, rock solid PCT. Deca can lead to some of the best mass you'll ever gain but with time can end up being the compoud that leads to the greatest losses post cycle as well.
Unlike Mr. Pumper this amount of HCG would be enough for me. But you have to follow HCG with longer SERM usage (4-6 weeks). Reason being that HCG suppresses LH secretion. Without LH and HCG stimulation you get a post HCG crash. I like to start my SERM during HCG usage to start antagonising estrogen related negative feedback before I stop HCG, so that the signal to produce LH and then test is already present before I remove the HCG.
The reason for the estrogen rebound following letrozole usage is an upregulation in the very enzyme this drug inhibits (aromatase). This increase in expression occurs with all A.I.'s as the body attempts to make more estrogen. This is why you always follow A.I. usage with a SERM. to prevent side effects and shut down following A.I. usage. An A.I. can be used as part of a PCT regimen if you are experienced enough and run a SERM afterwards. I prefer not to do this and stop A.I. usage post cycle.

Jackson wrote:

True, things arnt firing as they should but running another pct 2 months after finishing a 4 week pct, is that acceptable?

If you are not fully recovered you need more PC Therapy

Jackson wrote:

I was told to run letro and not nolva because it doesnt mix well with Deca, can someone clarify why?

There was a good debate on this here:
www.anabolicsteroids.co.za/forum/5-post-...ith-the-clomid#21774

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