feeling shitty on pct

I just came off a 12 wk test cyp,Dbol, prov cycle. Started pct 36 days after last test shot. Today is my last day of clomid. I started feeling like crap from around yesterday.
Today i feel really "kuk". Not really depressed but i feel lifeless and not much can excite me

Am i on test shutdown?
Am i suppose to be feeling this way?
Will it get better or worst when i start nolva and hcg tomorrow.

No expert, but I felt the same on Clomid. All the mods - and other members - assured me that it's completely normal and to be expected. Especially if you didn't use HCG throughout your cycle. Thankfully it didn't last long - maybe a week. Hang in there - it will get better. Think of your next cycle for inspiration..

mack wrote: No expert, but I felt the same on Clomid. All the mods - and other members - assured me that it's completely normal and to be expected. Especially if you didn't use HCG throughout your cycle. Thankfully it didn't last long - maybe a week. Hang in there - it will get better. Think of your next cycle for inspiration..

Gee whiz,,, thanks for the motivation champ. I really needed that.
Feeling really kuk i must say. Hope it doesnt last for too long

Get yourself something like Fff to help with raising testosterone levels aswell during your pct. Have u added in aromasin to your pct? Sometimes to high an estrgen level with low testosterone csn mske u feel horrid. Did you use any ai on cycle?

DJ wrote: Get yourself something like Fff to help with raising testosterone levels aswell during your pct. Have u added in aromasin to your pct? Sometimes to high an estrgen level with low testosterone csn mske u feel horrid. Did you use any ai on cycle?

DJ firstly welcome back

I did not really use AI on course. Maybe a drop of letro here and there. I did not add aromasin in my pct. Jus doing pct2. I was fine on the clomid for the whole week. Its just the past 2 days that have been really bad.

I wouldn´t advise FFF during PCT because it kills hunger and could make you very nauseous which is the last thing you need. Rather just get the single supplements in the FFF that boost testosterone which is Tribulis Terrestris and Longifolia Jack (a.k.a Thongkat Ali or Malaysian Ginseng). Also add some DAA. Just remember it is perfectly normal to feel down during and after PCT, the trick is not to take life too seriously and make a joke of it. Something you can try to help with energy levels is B12 and B-Complex shots, and be sure to keep your calories and training up!

Pyroclasm wrote: I wouldn´t advise FFF during PCT because it kills hunger and could make you very nauseous which is the last thing you need. Rather just get the single supplements in the FFF that boost testosterone which is Tribulis Terrestris and Longifolia Jack (a.k.a Thongkat Ali or Malaysian Ginseng). Also add some DAA. Just remember it is perfectly normal to feel down during and after PCT, the trick is not to take life too seriously and make a joke of it. Something you can try to help with energy levels is B12 and B-Complex shots, and be sure to keep your calories and training up!

Can i also try animal stack/M stack? I took kre alkylyn creatine this morning. Im sure creatine is fine on pct hey?

I just hope i dont feel this way until th end of my pct vok.

You can try them yes and let us know how it works for you. To be fair and so that you don´t think I´m pimping you out, I want to tell you not to expect too much from it. Most credible resources on vitamins points to them only really working if you have a deficiency.

Creatine on the other hand is a damn miracle supplement and you should definately use it at all times.

Thanks for the insight Pyro.

One more thing.
We previously discussed something along the lines of starting a personalised programme service. U mentioned that there is something happening and u are very excited about it.

When will this kick off? Is DJ still too busy?

Admin feels very strongly about his no-contact rule. In the past he used to give out DJ´s email address as an exception, but that too has been changed. Admin is in the process of setting up a system to allow for private mentoring and coaching, and this idea is what I am very excited about. It´s a slow process because he wants to make it awesome, so for now we will have to stick to asking questions here.

Pyroclasm wrote: Admin feels very strongly about his no-contact rule. In the past he used to give out DJ´s email address as an exception, but that too has been changed. Admin is in the process of setting up a system to allow for private mentoring and coaching, and this idea is what I am very excited about. It´s a slow process because he wants to make it awesome, so for now we will have to stick to asking questions here.

That would be really great. Guess we just have to wait then. I cant imagine what i would do without the support and advice from everyone on this site. You guys are amazing thank you so much..

PS
I still feel like shit

I don't find fff appetite suppressing at all. I am currently half way through my first bottle and I am still at the stage that i could eat the after birth of a small cow. It does how ever make me incredibly thirsty and does give me energy and does help with mood, the caffeine and the test boosting effects of fff are more important with the energy giving effects of the stimulants for this guy more so than worrying about the appetite suppression in my honest opinion, yes if he wants to use single products to help aid his pct that is fine,but the fff will be dual function in terms of dropping any additional water weight and still giving him energy to train hard and maybe burn some additional fat. The problem is when we use anabolics we usually eat in abundance now to carry on using the same caloric intake post cycle with no major muscle building effect from an anabolic substance such as test we will tend to over eat and gain fat more so than just maintaining new muscle we have gained. So using fff during pct is not essentially a bad thing if the bulk diet has been heavy on the user and additional fat has been gained. Thats my opinion more than anything and I find it beneficial to use this during pct and off time from anabolics, u are free to disagree as this is my opinion.

Also if u feeling out of sorts maybe add in 5htp, tryptophan, and l tyrosine as well as some melatonin before bed. These can all help with mood control. There is also benefits of adding in St John wort
There was an article I read about serotonin and dopamine once and that list of supplements were all given to help with the latter. I will find the link tomorrow for u when I am at a pc and u guys can read about the benefits of increasing and controlling these hormones for well being and muscle building

Just ano update

I am no longer feeling so shitty. I stopped the Clomid after day 7. I started the nolva yesterday and dont feel shit as #uc@ anymore.
Hope it stays this way and only gets better.

I will keep updating as things change.

Cheers

Update

Since I started my nolva, from after around day 5 I have been feeling a lot of anxiety? Lots and lots.
Can anyone relate?
Is this normal
Will it stay this way till the end of pct
Or when will it go away

I felt dizzy and disorianted the first week on nolva back in the day but it cleared after a week...hang in there

Ok so anxiety has gone away pretty much. I have about Ax more days to the end of my pct (2).

I am booked to remove all 4 windom teeth on Thursday. Is it ok for me to continue with my pct after treatment? Hcg and nolva

Not sure how silly this question may be.

Are they going to put u under ...then u will need to mention what u are using ..local u should be fine ..

Yes they will be putting me under. I will call the doctor and advise.

Thanks Mike

NB!! For any surgery you need to tell your doctor exactly what you are using! He is not allowed to tell anybody and if there are any complications in the surgery they need to know what they are up against!

The Doc normally discuss your "usages" with the Anesthesiologist, but that's about it.

I have declared everything to my doctor on email. I will advise on the response I get.

Oupa u are looking nice and thick in your avatar.
If u don't mind me asking, is that a little gyno I see there under your nipple and near your arm?

Hope you don't mind me asking

haha lol no, its just the way the photo was taken when i flexed my boobs.

(pectoralis major pump)

DJ wrote: I don't find fff appetite suppressing at all. I am currently half way through my first bottle and I am still at the stage that i could eat the after birth of a small cow. It does how ever make me incredibly thirsty and does give me energy and does help with mood, the caffeine and the test boosting effects of fff are more important with the energy giving effects of the stimulants for this guy more so than worrying about the appetite suppression in my honest opinion, yes if he wants to use single products to help aid his pct that is fine,but the fff will be dual function in terms of dropping any additional water weight and still giving him energy to train hard and maybe burn some additional fat. The problem is when we use anabolics we usually eat in abundance now to carry on using the same caloric intake post cycle with no major muscle building effect from an anabolic substance such as test we will tend to over eat and gain fat more so than just maintaining new muscle we have gained. So using fff during pct is not essentially a bad thing if the bulk diet has been heavy on the user and additional fat has been gained. Thats my opinion more than anything and I find it beneficial to use this during pct and off time from anabolics, u are free to disagree as this is my opinion.

Same here. I eat like a horse on fff. Overall mood is also great. Best thing I took after my cycle to stay 'motivated'.

pr0gr3s1v3 wrote:

DJ wrote: I don't find fff appetite suppressing at all. I am currently half way through my first bottle and I am still at the stage that i could eat the after birth of a small cow. It does how ever make me incredibly thirsty and does give me energy and does help with mood, the caffeine and the test boosting effects of fff are more important with the energy giving effects of the stimulants for this guy more so than worrying about the appetite suppression in my honest opinion, yes if he wants to use single products to help aid his pct that is fine,but the fff will be dual function in terms of dropping any additional water weight and still giving him energy to train hard and maybe burn some additional fat. The problem is when we use anabolics we usually eat in abundance now to carry on using the same caloric intake post cycle with no major muscle building effect from an anabolic substance such as test we will tend to over eat and gain fat more so than just maintaining new muscle we have gained. So using fff during pct is not essentially a bad thing if the bulk diet has been heavy on the user and additional fat has been gained. Thats my opinion more than anything and I find it beneficial to use this during pct and off time from anabolics, u are free to disagree as this is my opinion.

Same here. I eat like a horse on fff. Overall mood is also great. Best thing I took after my cycle to stay 'motivated'.

Agreed! I had no appetite suppression at all but it did give me a bit of get up and go in the morning for gym.
I could even have my regular lunch time nap by 12 with no issues.