1st Cycle, how long between 1st & Cycle... PCT¿?

Hi guys,

Grateful for any advice here...

I'm 4 weeks into my first cycle, running Cyp alone at 1ml per week, I'm 34, training/eating well, honestly felt it kick in during week 1, happy.

I wanted to run it alone to see how I responded and now I'm wanting to (NEXT time) run Var with it.

Question is, once I stop this 10week cycle of Cyp, how long off is advisable I go and should I take a PCT (I've heard Clomid is a good idea for 3 weeks, 2 weeks after finishing Cyp)...

Want to do this proper so get that I might need to be patient and wait a while after this cycle of Cyp I'm just clueless with so much conflicting advice, need some input pls.

Thanks!

check the sample cycles they have 3 different pct protocols depending on the cycle strength...

Thanks. Where can I find this?..

MadGainz wrote: Thanks. Where can I find this?..

www.anabolicsteroids.co.za/articles/9-post-cycle-therapy

Thanks, great advice.

I'm going into week 4 of Cyp next Tues, have I missed the boat to start Var with it from next Tues (begining of week 4)?...

Or if I can would I just reduce the cycle length of Var so I'm not running Cyp for too long? Ie. 6 weeks.

If not will wait till next year to do it properly.

Thanks

MadGainz wrote: Thanks, great advice.

I'm going into week 4 of Cyp next Tues, have I missed the boat to start Var with it from next Tues (begining of week 4)?...

Or if I can would I just reduce the cycle length of Var so I'm not running Cyp for too long? Ie. 6 weeks.

If not will wait till next year to do it properly.

Thanks

An option is run the oxandrolone till your PCT (well... some time for oxandrolone to clear ofc), while you are also waiting for test to clear as the half-life of oxandrolone is very short.

If it is legitimate oxandrolone, 6 week *should* be fine at a moderate dose.

I think the whole premise of blasting quick acting compounds at the start of a cycle is more for a cognitive affirmation of being on "the juice". I cannot see an argument against orals at the end of a cycle, bridging to PCT.

Thanks for this...

Was prepping to do 40mg of Var ed for 8 weeks, but.. If it could work then I would ideally start next Tues (being week 4 of my Cyp cycle) and only running for 6 weeks (as you suggest).

Would I need to continue Cyp after this 6 weeks?

Thanks, appreciate your help.

MadGainz wrote: Thanks for this...

Was prepping to do 40mg of Var ed for 8 weeks, but.. If it could work then I would ideally start next Tues (being week for of my Cyp cycle) and only running for 6 weeks (as you suggest).

Would I need to continue Cyp after this 6 weeks?

Thanks, appreciate your help.

I don't follow you.
How long are you staying on Test Cyp?
Example:
Week 1-10 Test Cyp
Week 7-13 Oxandrolone

This wouldn't be an awful idea. Adjust as per how long you want to wait to start PCT, 2 weeks may be slightly too early.

Sorry, I'm not explaining to well...

So I'm currently running Cyp alone, wanted to run for 10 weeks and see how I responded.

However 3 weeks in, with some research and based on how I'm feeling I'm wanting to run Var with Cyp...

I understand I MAY have missed the boat though so I'm prepared to wait it out IF I need to but just wanted to know if I could begin the Var (with this Cyp cycle, jumping in on week 4). If I can, do I have to continue Cyp after the 6th week of Var (I only ask this because I don't know, and heard from a few sources online to continue Test for a few weeks post Var)...

Thanks

MadGainz wrote: Sorry, I'm not explaining to well...

So I'm currently running Cyp alone, wanted to run for 10 weeks and see how I responded.

However 3 weeks in, with some research and based on how I'm feeling I'm wanting to run Var with Cyp...

I understand I MAY have missed the boat though so I'm prepared to wait it out IF I need to but just wanted to know if I could begin the Var (with this Cyp cycle, jumping in on week 4). If I can, do I have to continue Cyp after the 6th week of Var (I only ask this because I don't know, and heard from a few sources online to continue Test for a few weeks post Var)...

Thanks

So if you are starting var at week 4 for a 6 week period, no, you do not have to run test after the 6 week period, as this is how long you wanted to run your cycle in the first place.

You could, but running test longer than 10 weeks for a first cycle is probably not a good idea.
Suppression has two components, duration and potency, which of course differs from compound to compound.

Oxandrolone will clear your system well before the test cyp does. No issue in stopping them at the same time, but you will have to wait for the Test Cyp to clear your system before starting a PCT as this has the longer of the two half-lives.

Consider delaying the anavar for another 4 weeks or so, and run it into your PCT as a bridge.

~40 day waiting period would be a decent idea. (from your last test cyp injection)

Sorry my maths isn't to sharp, correct.. I would finish Cyp and Var after week 6 of Var (week 10 in total)..

Is it ok to bridge without running Test? Or better to run with?

Wanted to ideally do Var for 8 weeks so thinking of the best way to go about this. And you advise against continuing the Cyp for an extra 2 weeks (12 weeks in total, meaning an 8 week Var cycle).

Thanks

MadGainz wrote: Sorry my maths isn't to sharp, correct.. I would finish Cyp and Var after week 6 of Var (week 10 in total)..

Is it ok to bridge without running Test? Or better to run with?

Wanted to ideally do Var for 8 weeks so thinking of the best way to go about this. And you advise against continuing the Cyp for an extra 2 weeks (12 weeks in total, meaning an 8 week Var cycle).

Thanks

I think I see where your issue lies.
You need to stop test injections for about 40 days before trying to restart your HPTA/HPG axis, this is your natural supply of testosterone.

You cannot bridge with testosterone.

So whatever you plan on doing... you absolutely have to have a period of 35-40 days of no test-cyp injection, and then start PCT.

Remember, you will still have the testosterone you injected well after your last injection, in your system for about 5 half-lives (test c has ~8 day half life).
So if you stop test cyp at week 10, and are running var from week 10-14, you will still have the test in your system. It won't be sky high the whole time but still present.

Does that make sense?

Yea that makes sense, thanks...

So looking at the calendar I'll cut my Cyp cycle to 9 weeks and then with the adequate time off I'll only begin PCT late January.

After completing this PCT it'll be early March, how long should I go after the completion of PCT until I can run a good Var/Cyp cycle?...

March is a long time away, that's why I either wait OR do a short Var cycle for 5 weeks (as originally considered starting next week in addition). Is there any point for 5 weeks at 40mg ed?

It's crucial for me that I do this as well planned and thought out as possible so if it means waiting that's cool, just would rather begining as soon as possible but without compromising my health...

Thanks for your time man!

MadGainz wrote: Yea that makes sense, thanks...

So looking at the calendar I'll cut my Cyp cycle to 9 weeks and then with the adequate time off I'll only begin PCT late January.

After completing this PCT it'll be early March, how long should I go after the completion of PCT until I can run a good Var/Cyp cycle?...

March is a long time away, that's why I either wait OR do a short Var cycle for 5 weeks (as originally considered starting next week in addition). Is there any point for 5 weeks at 40mg ed?

It's crucial for me that I do this as well planned and thought out as possible so if it means waiting that's cool, just would rather begining as soon as possible but without compromising my health...

Thanks for your time man!

That's a difficult one.
How old are you?

Regardless, you would definitely have to see how quickly you bounce back.
Assuming you will use clomiphene, you will have to see how quickly LH and FSH bounce back and how your test levels are looking after PCT.

You will have to give it some time, check everything stabilizes, maybe 3 months off, as a very rough guess.

EDIT: yeah you can run anavar for 5 weeks.
I mean I would personally do that. I do not understand test only cycles.
Why not add an anabolic agent that will balance androgenic/anabolic effects and at the time free SHBG and have optimal free T etc etc.
It really won't ruin anything, oxandrolone is a beautiful compound and safe at 40mg.

I'm 34..

I understand and like a more cautious approach.


So I could do a 5 week 40mg Var a day (with the remainder of a 9 week Cyp cycle), starting next week, the issue though would be WHEN I would potentially start the next cycle right? As you say I might need to push it back a bit bases on how I recover.

Makes sense, but no reason not to start now as above? The issue being restart date down the line (potentially)...

I would do the PCT as advised here.

Thanks

MadGainz wrote: I'm 34..

I understand and like a more cautious approach.


So I could do a 5 week 40mg Var a day (with the remainder of a 9 week Cyp cycle), starting next week, the issue though would be WHEN I would potentially start the next cycle right? As you say I might need to push it back a bit bases on how I recover.

Makes sense, but no reason not to start now as above? The issue being restart date down the line (potentially)...

I would do the PCT as advised here.

Thanks

No adding anavar will not affect your recovery, or change the plan of your next cycle.

The only issue you may run into is estrogen control.
You will be freeing up more T which could aromatize, even though anavar itself doesn't.
This is usually not an issue with anavar but keep an eye out, you could be prone to aromatize more.

Other than that, it seems like a calm cycle assuming you are not using 1000mg of test a week lol.

Makes sense, thanks...

I'm taking 1ml of Cyp a week. So the potential issue is how I recover before my next planned cycle, and if I need more time between cycles right?

Thanks

MadGainz wrote: Makes sense, thanks...

I'm taking 1ml of Cyp a week. So the potential issue is how I recover before my next planned cycle, and if I need more time between cycles right?

Thanks

Yes you can make a post when you are entering/finishing PCT here and I am sure guys can help you out.

1ml does not tell me much, I assume that is 200mg
That will *likely* put you above natural levels but not by much.

Thank you, I will do!

Sorry 1ml, 250mg.

Will indeed report back, thanks again!

Sorry, can I just ask re the Var..

How would you recommend splitting - My days start at 5am so not sure if 20/20 would be better than 20/10/10?...

And lastly, do you recomend taking on an empty or with food?

Thanks a mill!

MadGainz wrote: Sorry, can I just ask re the Var..

How would you recommend splitting - My days start at 5am so not sure if 20/20 would be better than 20/10/10?...

And lastly, do you recomend taking on an empty or with food?

Thanks a mill!

Methandrostenelone maybe 20/10/10 could make sense, but oxandrolone... whatever is easier so probably 20 in the morning and 20 evening is fine. No difference worth noting.

Enter your cycle in here if you want to geek out:
www.steroidplotter.com/

Not easy to send pics here, play around with the site.

Food is not important, if you get stomach upset, take it with some food.

Awesome stuff!

I'm only familiar with Oxandrolone ie. Anavar right, but Methandrostenelone?.. If I can understand the difference then I know!

Thanks!

MadGainz wrote: Awesome stuff!

I'm only familiar with Oxandrolone ie. Anavar right, but Methandrostenelone?.. If I can understand the difference then I know!

Thanks!

Dianabol (Dbol). Half-life is 6 hours so it should be dosed more frequently.
Good luck with the cycle, I like your choice of compounds lol

Oh I get you, Var is 9hrs right?..

Thanks again!

MadGainz wrote: Oh I get you, Var is 9hrs right?..

Thanks again!

Correct and you are welcome.