1st Cycle, how long between 1st & Cycle... PCT¿?

MadGainz wrote: I'm 34..

I understand and like a more cautious approach.


So I could do a 5 week 40mg Var a day (with the remainder of a 9 week Cyp cycle), starting next week, the issue though would be WHEN I would potentially start the next cycle right? As you say I might need to push it back a bit bases on how I recover.

Makes sense, but no reason not to start now as above? The issue being restart date down the line (potentially)...

I would do the PCT as advised here.

Thanks

No adding anavar will not affect your recovery, or change the plan of your next cycle.

The only issue you may run into is estrogen control.
You will be freeing up more T which could aromatize, even though anavar itself doesn't.
This is usually not an issue with anavar but keep an eye out, you could be prone to aromatize more.

Other than that, it seems like a calm cycle assuming you are not using 1000mg of test a week lol.

Makes sense, thanks...

I'm taking 1ml of Cyp a week. So the potential issue is how I recover before my next planned cycle, and if I need more time between cycles right?

Thanks

MadGainz wrote: Makes sense, thanks...

I'm taking 1ml of Cyp a week. So the potential issue is how I recover before my next planned cycle, and if I need more time between cycles right?

Thanks

Yes you can make a post when you are entering/finishing PCT here and I am sure guys can help you out.

1ml does not tell me much, I assume that is 200mg
That will *likely* put you above natural levels but not by much.

Thank you, I will do!

Sorry 1ml, 250mg.

Will indeed report back, thanks again!

Sorry, can I just ask re the Var..

How would you recommend splitting - My days start at 5am so not sure if 20/20 would be better than 20/10/10?...

And lastly, do you recomend taking on an empty or with food?

Thanks a mill!

MadGainz wrote: Sorry, can I just ask re the Var..

How would you recommend splitting - My days start at 5am so not sure if 20/20 would be better than 20/10/10?...

And lastly, do you recomend taking on an empty or with food?

Thanks a mill!

Methandrostenelone maybe 20/10/10 could make sense, but oxandrolone... whatever is easier so probably 20 in the morning and 20 evening is fine. No difference worth noting.

Enter your cycle in here if you want to geek out:
www.steroidplotter.com/

Not easy to send pics here, play around with the site.

Food is not important, if you get stomach upset, take it with some food.

Awesome stuff!

I'm only familiar with Oxandrolone ie. Anavar right, but Methandrostenelone?.. If I can understand the difference then I know!

Thanks!

MadGainz wrote: Awesome stuff!

I'm only familiar with Oxandrolone ie. Anavar right, but Methandrostenelone?.. If I can understand the difference then I know!

Thanks!

Dianabol (Dbol). Half-life is 6 hours so it should be dosed more frequently.
Good luck with the cycle, I like your choice of compounds lol

Oh I get you, Var is 9hrs right?..

Thanks again!

MadGainz wrote: Oh I get you, Var is 9hrs right?..

Thanks again!

Correct and you are welcome.

i mean you can run 8 weeks of var just drop the dose a little for the duration that you're running...but 6 weeks at 40mg is perfectly fine. Considering the test will take around 40 to 45 days to clear the system after the last injection on week 10 of test cyp, you'd want to have the anavar to support you while your test levels drop... then start pct at the end of the anavar cycle.

25mg of proviron wouldn't be a bad idea to run straight through from now til pct i think.
Side note hope you're injecting 0.5 ml 2x a week and not 1ml 1x a week. Stable blood levels are everything

Thanks for the input..

So because of the calendar I'm going to run Cyp for 9 weeks, and will start Var with it tomorrow (half way through week 3).. Until week 9, therefore completing 5 weeks of Var and Cyp.

I hear you re taking Var after but then I'm taking through Christmas peroid which wouldn't work as well with holidays etc so want to be done before.

Want to finish the cycle before Christmas so I can take the necessary recovery time before a proper PCT and hopefully go again next year March maybe.

Thanks

Sorry bro, quick one..

How do I split 40mg ed, I get 20/20 but should I take before bed or not?

Will be taking at 5/6am (train in mornings to) and then either around 1/2pm OR in the evening...

Thanks

MadGainz wrote: Sorry bro, quick one..

How do I split 40mg ed, I get 20/20 but should I take before bed or not?

Will be taking at 5/6am (train in mornings to) and then either around 1/2pm OR in the evening...

Thanks

After first dose, just wait 12hrs and pop another 20mg.
As close to 12hrs as is convenient for you is fine.
So first 20mg at 5am then another 20mg at 5pm is fine.

be prepared for a bit of a moody feeling of not using anything from the last dose til pct then... some of it will be in your mind though.. These things affect you more than just physically and internally... your mindset changes as well.. good luck bro

I hear you bro, all good. Thanks for the heads up!

Hey bro,

Hope you're good..

Wondering with Var (hypothetically), how and when could I increase from 40mg ed (20/20)...

I'm in no rush at all, just want to maximise gains where possible, without hindering the self in the process too much..

Done 7 days now, was thinking of upping to 50mg (30/20) for next 2 weeks and then reassessing.

Appreciate any thoughts.

Thanks!

increase it on week 3 to 50mg if you feel. personally don't see the need to increase though. I used 3omg on my contest prep

Hey bro,

Although I don't have any Gyno signs, keeping my eye out and wanted to know if there is anything I could take with the Cyp/Var should I spot any signs?...

Want to be proactive and take a cautious approach and therefore get before holidays (whilst I can)...

Thanks

Anastrozole (Arimidex).
Dosing obviously depends on symptomatology and/or E2 levels.

Been looking at this post again re bridging the Var whilst waiting for the Cyp to clear to begin PCT...

What are your thoughts on, after completing the 6 weeks of Var (and taking last Cyp Pin at same time), running a Tbol bridge for up to 6 weeks?

Is it too much orals on the liver? Would then potentially begin PCT.

Got my reasons for wanting to run Tbol just wouldn't do it if it doesn't sound a good choice having run Var.

Thank you.

MadGainz wrote: Been looking at this post again re bridging the Var whilst waiting for the Cyp to clear to begin PCT...

What are your thoughts on, after completing the 6 weeks of Var (and taking last Cyp Pin at same time), running a Tbol bridge for up to 6 weeks?

Is it too much orals on the liver? Would then potentially begin PCT.

Got my reasons for wanting to run Tbol just wouldn't do it if it doesn't sound a good choice having run Var.

Thank you.

Sounds like a lot of orals. Running 2 c17-α alkylated compounds one after the other for 8 weeks?
Probably not a good idea.

If you decide to, check liver enzymes once you cease anavar use. If they're elevated and anything close to 3 digits... you are in dangerous territory.

Things like stanozolol are pretty damn good at binding to SHBG and freeing T, at low doses maybe you could use that.
But overall 2 months of C17-αa orals is not a good idea.

EDIT: oh shit 12 weeks of orals? Yeah you should not do that. That is why I suggested IF you want to bridge on an oral start anavar later in the cycle. I would just let the test cyp clear and start a PCT.

Thought it might be too long, thanks, obviously won't do it...

I get what you mean re delaying Var by 4 weeks, all good though - happy as is will simply wait for the Cyp to clear and then PCT.

Is it also not advisable to extend the Var past the 6 weeks, maybe at a smaller dosage?. Was thinking of 2 more weeks (ie. 8 weeks)..

Wanted to bridge something but not if not recommended.

Thanks

I've done 12 weeks of orals before. tbol cycle used 40mgs for the most part and had it at 60mg a day at some point. Looked epic on it. Buuut I was using just tbol no test. Also didn't know of this forums existence... still felt awesome though no drop in libido or anything. didn't do bloods. used clomid for like a week and stayed off gear for 3 months... did bloods and all my markers were within range. still wouldn't recommend, not everyone can respond the same

That's hectic bro! And this is why I'm trying to do my ground work now man, so I can calculate risks etc and listen to experiential knowledge (dig this forum for that, very informative)..

Although very keen to give Tbol a blast I'm not going to touch it whilst using Var.. Will run Var for 8 weeks and pay the patience game till PCT whilst just continuing to focus on nutrition, training lifestyle etc..

Seen some solid gains so very happy thus far although would like to know what's going on under the surface.