B complex and B12

j1pvt wrote:

Oupa wrote: Cool tjom. subq vir jou vroutjie, intra vir jou. Baie goed vir die girls ook.

why do the girls get to do subq..??
is subq an option on 1ml + 1ml..??

Personal choice, i don't like sticking a 1.5" needle in my wife's ass.

subq 1ml + 1ml is 100%. Male or female.

Oupa wrote: Personal choice, i don't like sticking a 1.5" needle in my wife's ass..

Hahahahahhahaah that's what HE said! :lol: :lol: :lol:

B COMPLEX
Foods that are especially rich in one of the B vitamins will also contain several other members of the complex as their functions in the body are closely interrelated. The B vitamins are also made by bacteria in the intestinal tract. The complex is most important for the health of the nervous system. B vitamins have a role in the metabolism of carbohydrates, fats, and protein, and are essential for maintaining the muscle tone of the gastrointestinal tract and heart.
The B vitamins are water-soluble. They are not stored in the body in any great quantity and need to be supplied daily by the diet. The need for the complex increases during chronic illnesses, stress, and when alcohol, tobacco, and recreational drugs are used. Taking a single B vitamin should be accompanied by the complex in order to avoid an imbalance or deficiency of the others.

THIAMINE (VITAMIN B1)
Mental efficiency, health, and a feeling of well-being are dependent on thiamine. It is required for nerve cells to function normally. It is essential for the formation in every cell of adenosine triphosphate (ATP), the energy fuel that the body runs on. The vitamin easily dissolves in water, is vulnerable to heat during cooking, and to baking soda and powder in baked goods. It is a component of the germ and bran of wheat, the husk of rice, and that portion of all grains that is commercially milled out to give the grain a lighter color and finer texture.

RIBOFLAVIN (VITAMIN B2)
Riboflavin is a constituent of enzymes involved in cell respiration. It is also necessary for the maintenance of good vision and healthy skin. The vitamin helps convert carbohydrates to ATP, the energy fuel. It has a yellow pigment and colors the urine.

NIACIN (VITAMIN B3)
Niacin is a coenzyme involved in the metabolism of proteins, fats, and carbohydrates. Besides its presence in food, the vitamin is manufactured in the body from the essential amino acid tryptophan. It is important for blood circulation and reducing cholesterol levels in the blood. Large doses cause a flushing of the skin as a result of the dilation of blood vessels but the effect is not harmful. A form of niacin, niacinamide, does not cause any skin sensations, however, large doses can damage the liver and cause depression in some people. The form inositol hexanicotinate lowers serum cholesterol without harming the liver. Doses of the vitamin should not exceed 1000 mg a day, unless under the supervision of a physician. High doses of niacin should not be taken during pregnancy, or in cases of ulcers, gout, diabetes, gallbladder or liver diseases, or recent heart attack.

PYRIDOXINE (VITAMIN B6)
Pyridoxine is extremely important in the development of the nervous system. It helps process amino acids and is involved in the production of serotonin, melatonin, and dopamine. The vitamin has been used to reduce morning sickness during pregnancy. A hormonal shift leading to PMS (premenstrual syndrome) in women, and nerve compression injuries such as carpal tunnel syndrome, have been helped by the vitamin. Because of its role in fat metabolism, a deficiency is associated with atherosclerosis. A lack of the vitamin can cause depression. Oral contraceptives can create a pyridoxine deficiency, and much of the vitamin is lost in the processing of foods and is not one of the vitamins that is replaced in so-called “enrichment.” Nerve damage has been observed in individuals taking more than 300 mg a day.

VITAMIN B12
Absorption of B12 depends on the presence in the stomach of the intrinsic factor, a mucoprotein enzyme. Autoimmune reactions in the body may either bind the intrinsic factor to prevent B12 absorption or prevent cellular ability to produce the enzyme. B12 is closely related to the activity of four amino acids, pantothenic acid, and vitamin C. It also helps iron function better in the body and aids folic acid in the synthesis of choline. It has a role in the production of DNA and RNA, which are the body’s genetic material, and in s-adenosyl-L-methionine (SAMe), a mood altering substance. The vitamin, along with folic acid, regulates homocysteine levels. Homocysteine is an amino acid which, in excess, is associated with heart disease, stroke, osteoporosis, and Alzheimer’s disease. The vitamin is found in meats, fish, eggs, and milk and is not provided in vegetarian diets. Sublingual and nasal forms are effective as supplements. The daily recommended dose is 2 to 3 mcg.

Found in: Nutrition Almanac, L.J Dunne, 5th Ed., pg11-12

Pyroclasm wrote:
Hahahahahhahaah that's what HE said! :lol: :lol: :lol:

Hahahaha f a k - u. No shame man, it just seems wrong :blush:

Oupa wrote:

j1pvt wrote:

Oupa wrote: I use it once every week. 1ml BC +1ml B12

Why is this such an important supplement and is this just on, or off cycle. ?
if on cycle can one mix with equi to reduce the burn.??

B12 helps protect against various cancers including prostate.

B12 protects against heart disease by curbing and improving unhealthy cholesterol. Reducing stroke and high blood pressure. Also maintains a healthy nervous and digestive system. Very good for stress.

Also essential for healthy skin, hair and nails(female important).

I dont mix, the one is water based and the other is oil based. You can mix but rather do a subq shot.

Will give subq a try, bought some from ondier earlier.

So oupa you pin twice then? Will it be a problem mixing it? Dont like the idea of having to pin double just for some vitamins:D

I pin every sunday, if it falls on a pin day so be it, i am used to it so it doesn't even bother me.

If you pin gear EOD you will double pin every 2nd week sunday. If your pinning schedule is Mon/Wed/Fri, Sundays will be open. Same with pinning long esters Mon/Thu, Sundays open.

Oh one more thing, what gauge needle? 23 or can I go thinner?

pr0, give the subq shot a go (27g x half ") I would keep intra @ 23. 1" delt/quad 1.5"glute

Just shot it in the glute now. I dont mind the intra muscular hey. Think il rotate between glutes and quads. Not lus for the sting that could come with the subq.

Don't go smaller than 23g bud.

You can also go with 25g in quads/delts. I've done it.

And was the pressure from the injection fluid not causing injection pain? 23g Is such a nice sweetspot though..

Thanx gents:thumbup:

23g is a good size for pain vs convenience. 25g just takes longer to inject. I once bought 25g for my test E and EQ shots and that also was fine. I ran out of pins and my pharmacy only had 20g and 25g and NO WAYS was I going 20g. Just took forever to inject but was also less painful.

All depends 23g is ok at 1ml, 1ml.. I do 3ml B12 and 1ml BCo and I prefer a nice 21g, I find I don't walk around with a big lump if I do it this way

Think I might give half a inch in the delts a try?

hehee, sometimes we have to find space, where ever that might be

Ive read you can do subq on quads too.
Anybody tried this?
Im using 1mm syr with 30g pins that are 8mm long.

pr0gr3s1v3 wrote: Just shot it in the glute now. I dont mind the intra muscular hey. Think il rotate between glutes and quads. Not lus for the sting that could come with the subq.

Ive just done subq with 12(red liquid) and complex(yellow liquid) in belly fat,
complex has a slight sting but not even as bad as hCG, 12 I felt nothing,
one thing Ive noticed from any type of pinning is to make sure the alcohol has dried completely after cleaning the area,
a lot of the sting comes from pushing a small amount of ethyl alcohol in with the needle, and its completely avoidable.
easypeasy.

Shortest normal pins I get around here are 1 inch ones. So might have to give an insulin needle a try but seems way too short.

Hey gents , my doc sad I must pin 2ml of each per week for 5 weeks , my ass was on fire , does this go according to weight ?

B12 yes but 2ml bcomp a week...... why?

Ek het verkoue soo dit kan dalk iets met dt te doen he @oupa ..

Oupa wrote: B12 yes but 2ml bcomp a week...... why?

Why not?