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17 Jul 2009 07:53 #17763 by jackrabbit1
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So yes, my prices might be a higher than what you can get but I try my best to supply members with affordable pure supps at damn good prices.


You have my support. Thanks bud!

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17 Jul 2009 07:55 #17764 by LSJ
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Thanks Jackrabbit....

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17 Jul 2009 09:26 #17768 by Inja
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No doubt bro,
Your prices are way cheaper than anything available commercially, and I think its a great service for the members of this board. I myslef will turn to you for things I can't get alone.

In my original post I was pointing out the prices I know because I was worried you were getting stiffed by your own supllier... Since Glutamine is around R120 a kilo with VAT, then you would be getting 60-100 over that price based on your price. Of course I expect you will want some profit but I was just making sure your supplier wasn't making a quick buck as well.

With my second post I was intrigued by admins price and was curious to here more on the casein.

Sorry if I offend you
Its just my point of view

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17 Jul 2009 09:34 #17769 by LSJ
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No probs then...:)

There are various suppliers of glutamine, creatine ect. And yes they all have different prices on various stuff.
I tend to stick to the guys I know, it may be that they are sometimes a bit more expensive with some products but they are tried and trusted so I dont mind paying an extra buck now and then.
End of the day it cancels out because some of their stuff is cheaper as other again.

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17 Jul 2009 10:56 #17774 by jo1
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Inja wrote:

No doubt bro,
Your prices are way cheaper than anything available commercially, and I think its a great service for the members of this board. I myslef will turn to you for things I can't get alone.

In my original post I was pointing out the prices I know because I was worried you were getting stiffed by your own supllier... Since Glutamine is around R120 a kilo with VAT, then you would be getting 60-100 over that price based on your price. Of course I expect you will want some profit but I was just making sure your supplier wasn't making a quick buck as well.

With my second post I was intrigued by admins price and was curious to here more on the casein.



maybe u should get in cntact with lsj, so that u supply him some stuff as well, and so it will be a win win sutuation for us all!!!

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17 Jul 2009 10:58 #17775 by jo1
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No probs then...:)

There are various suppliers of glutamine, creatine ect. And yes they all have different prices on various stuff.
I tend to stick to the guys I know, it may be that they are sometimes a bit more expensive with some products but they are tried and trusted so I dont mind paying an extra buck now and then.
End of the day it cancels out because some of their stuff is cheaper as other again.


u have a price on that waxy maize? yet.

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17 Jul 2009 11:08 #17776 by jo1
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i got this from fonterra's web page, since clover and fonterra is a joint venture i reckon one could get all this from clover in bulk then.

there they list some diffrent casien's, even whey isolate (wonder how much that will be for this colden protien)lsj?



Milk and Whey Proteins
We produce a range of natural ingredients made from milk that are tailored to the demanding needs of today’s consumers and manufacturers.

This enables the creation of a wide range of products and applications.

Through careful engineering, milk and whey proteins can be used to create products with the ‘mouth-feel’, texture, and nutrition consumers want. Dairy proteins have a clean taste and allow labelling that attracts health-conscious shoppers.

Our protein products provide exceptional nutritional quality as quantified by measures such as the protein efficiency ratio, protein digestibility corrected amino acid score, and biological value.

You can find out more about our milk and whey protein range through the following product descriptions.Â

Whey Protein Concentrate
We manufacture NZMP-branded whey protein concentrates.

Whey protein concentrates are highly functional and nutritional ingredients, manufactured from fresh whey by membrane filtration processes.

They are suitable for use in a variety of applications such as yoghurts, beverages, dairy desserts and meat systems. They also provide a superior source of protein fortification for nutritional products and infant food.

Whey Protein Isolate
We manufacture NZMP-branded whey protein isolates.

Whey protein isolates are the purest form of concentrated whey protein (greater than 90 per cent concentrate). They are low in fat, lactose and minerals. As well as being highly nutritious, they are extremely functional.

Whey protein isolates are suitable for low pH nutritional beverages, dry mix beverages, clear beverages, nutritional bars, protein fortified food, and sports nutrition products.

Milk Protein Concentrates and Isolates
We manufacture NZMP-branded milk protein concentrates and milk protein isolates.

Milk protein concentrates and milk protein isolates are manufactured by membrane filtration through which dairy proteins are isolated from fresh skim milk. They are rich in bound calcium, have excellent heat stability and emulsifying properties, and a natural milk flavour.

Milk protein concentrates are ideal for a large range of applications, including infant formula, adult medical foods, enteral foods, weight management products, liquid nutritional beverages, cheese products, cultured foods, powdered dietary supplements, and sports nutrition products.

Dairy Protein Crisps
We manufacture NZMP-branded dairy protein crisps.

Dairy protein crisps are a crispy, crunchy, protein ingredient made from whey protein. They are available in a range of protein levels up to 80 per cent protein.

Dairy protein crisps are an excellent way of delivering the nutritional benefits of dairy protein with a novel, crispy mouthfeel into bars and snack food products. The ingredient is particularly suited to general nutrition, sports performance and weight management applications.

For more information about dairy protein crisps, click here.

Casein
We manufacture NZMP-branded acid casein and rennet casein.

Acid casein is produced by the controlled acidification of pure, pasteurised skim milk to pH 4.6. Acidification is achieved by the addition of a mineral acid or lactic fermentation.

Rennet casein is produced by the controlled precipitation of casein from pure, pasteurised skim milk through the action of rennet.

Casein is suitable for making nutritional foods and processed cheese. Casein also has a long history of use in non-food applications such as paper and cardboard coating, adhesives, leather tanning and plastics.

Caseinate
We manufacture NZMP-branded caseinates.

Caseinates are made from acid casein. Variants include sodium, calcium and potassium, or combinations of these. They are water-soluble.

Caseinates are highly functional proteins, suitable for a wide variety of applications including nutritional foods and beverages, food bars, soups, sauces, whipped toppings, bakery products and cultured foods.

Total Milk Protein
We manufacture NZMP-branded total milk proteins.

We use a proprietary process which isolates both casein and whey from skim milk, and also delivers the functional performance of caseinate. Total milk proteins have the added benefit of enhanced nutritional value from both casein and whey proteins.

Total milk proteins are suitable for a wide variety of applications including nutritional foods and beverages, food bars, soups, sauces, whipped toppings, and bakery products.

Whey Powder
We manufacture NZMP-branded whey powder.

Whey powder is produced by spray-drying crystallised whey. It has a low protein content, but is high in milk minerals and lactose.

This ratio makes it useful for infant formula, confectionery and baked food.

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17 Jul 2009 11:27 #17779 by jo1
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as mens by clover pryse kry moet jy ook versigtig wees, want soos bv die "whey" jy kry die "whey powder" en dan die "whey protien" waar daar maklik n' misverstand kan inkom, want hul "whey powder" het soos 30% protien in en die res is lactose, so dit kan dalk ook met die ander (casienates) gebeur dat hulle net n' "powder" het wat goedkoop is, en dan min protiene bevat.

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17 Jul 2009 13:33 #17783 by mbov10
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jo1 wrote:

as mens by clover pryse kry moet jy ook versigtig wees, want soos bv die "whey" jy kry die "whey powder" en dan die "whey protien" waar daar maklik n' misverstand kan inkom, want hul "whey powder" het soos 30% protien in en die res is lactose, so dit kan dalk ook met die ander (casienates) gebeur dat hulle net n' "powder" het wat goedkoop is, en dan min protiene bevat.

Heeltemal reg, daar is verskillende Caseinates. Wat ons soek is Micellar Casein en Calcium Caseinate. Het al gelees dat dit die beste casein is. Dit word ook in Optimum Nutrition se casein gebruik.

Steun en kreun, en poep selfs as jy moet, maar moenie toelaat dat die yster jou onderkry.

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17 Jul 2009 14:52 #17787 by LSJ
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Hi all

Just an update.

I can get the Casein Caseinate at R1980 if I buy it in bulk. If you include postage at R100 and my R100 its R2180. Drop me a mail if you're interested.

With regards to the waxy maize, got hold of an old friend that helped with the making of Energade. He still have a contact that works at a waxy maize manufacturing plant. He's allready gone home but I will contact him first thing Monday morning.

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17 Jul 2009 15:34 #17791 by jo1
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LSJ wrote:

Hi all

Just an update.

I can get the Casein Caseinate at R1980 if I buy it in bulk. If you include postage at R100 and my R100 its R2180. Drop me a mail if you're interested.

With regards to the waxy maize, got hold of an old friend that helped with the making of Energade. He still have a contact that works at a waxy maize manufacturing plant. He's allready gone home but I will contact him first thing Monday morning.


thats gr8 price for a slow release protien, tnkx man!!

il be waiting for the waxy price, us all will!

now if 1 can go and cuont up all he will save from buying your raw supps, one can buy a course of pgw with all the money save, if u take all the supps u use toghether, and compare it with the ones from supp companies u have been using, that includes all even the whey, its a huge saving, tnhkx lsj.

ps i know my english is KAK!!:laugh: :laugh:

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17 Jul 2009 15:36 #17792 by jo1
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this juz show u y usn have that ferraries!! fukcers!!

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17 Jul 2009 15:44 #17795 by Sting
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jo1 wrote:

this juz show u y usn have that ferraries!! fukcers!!

Careful of wat u say...dont forget admin has a ferrari to if i remember correctly

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17 Jul 2009 15:49 #17797 by North_Boy1
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Sure, a model of one......

If everybody does it, is it still cheating?

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17 Jul 2009 23:22 #17808 by vega5
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Inja wrote:

Guys if you really want to save cash just buy the raw powders straight from the pharmaceutical companies yourself.


I buy most of my ingredients this way.

To give you an idea of the saving I get charged around R100 for glutamine or leucine (BCAA) per kilo. It really is the cheapest way to shop. I buy between 1 and 3 kilos at a time usually. B)

I haven't found casein yet as a raw powder, so might take LSJ up on that. Been wanting to find it. To get any value out of it one should aim for around 20g before sleep so it might last a while.

So where do we find these pharmaceutical companies?

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18 Jul 2009 10:26 #17811 by Sting
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In the phone book. Im not being sarcastic so dont take it that way,
Im being serious

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18 Jul 2009 11:35 #17814 by Inja
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Yeah she's right. They're all over the place. Just look up any company that has the word pharmaceutical or a derivative behind it. Most of them are large international companies that branch out into S.A.

Sorry if I offend you
Its just my point of view

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20 Jul 2009 15:24 #17933 by LSJ
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@ Jo1

Got hold of Waxy Maize Starch Powder. Ridicilously cheap compared to Vitagrow.
Will be far short of R1000 for 20kg after postage and my markup. Waiting for final quote from supplier then I'll let you know.

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20 Jul 2009 16:05 #17935 by 00pump
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What is Waxy Maize Starch Powder, and what is the nutritional info per 100grams of the whey?

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20 Jul 2009 16:22 #17938 by jo1
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waxy maize is actualy exactly the same as vitargo, and that my frend juz show u how fuk tup they ripping us off!

coz at that price its fukcing cheap

go and have a look what supp companies charge, and they juz put in alittle of creatine glutamine, and then they charge u for the price of a pot of cold.

o fok hulle is fuktup.

ds hoekom jou beursie so dun is deesdae. he he

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20 Jul 2009 16:26 #17939 by LSJ
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00pump wrote:

What is Waxy Maize Starch Powder, and what is the nutritional info per 100grams of the whey?


Whey Protein Powder:
Protein dry basis 83.6%
Moisture4%
Fat 7.5%
Ash2.8%
Lactose3.4%

The Waxy Maize Powder is used instead of Vitagrow. I'll ask some of the more expierenced members to elaborate as I have not used the product myself.

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20 Jul 2009 16:33 #17941 by Empire
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ummm jo1 its not really the same dude, vitargo is barley maize starch with added flavour and micronised creatine and a high price tag. Waxy maize starch is plain in flavour and work the same as vitargo... it has a low osmotic value and also a low molucule weight so it pulls through the stomach lining faster that dextrose and maltodextrin. it is a complex carb so it doesnt spike insulin levels and still replenishes glycogen stores very quickly... its a very cool product...

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20 Jul 2009 16:39 #17942 by jo1
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waxy maize and vitargo is the same, those having and profit intrest in vitargo, would say vitargo is best and those having an profit intrest in waxy would say waxy is best, but in the end it does exactly the same, no diffrence!

but way better than using dextrose or maltodextrin postworkout.

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20 Jul 2009 16:46 #17943 by Empire
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i beg to differ on it being the same thing,it works the same way but its not 100% exactly the same thing... i dont have a profit interest in the product... but like i said its not a mirror image but it does the same thing jo1...

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20 Jul 2009 16:50 #17945 by Extreme
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LSJ,

Had a look on the SSN website, they claim that their 100% has the following nutrition per 100grams:
Protein 80g
Carbs 6.67g
Fat 5

Muscle Science Whey is about the same.

Does this mean that they are selling 80% Whey and are putting 100% on the label ?

If I understand your nutritional info correctly (per 100g):
Protein will be 84g
Fat 7.5g

What do youguys think ?

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