Are you thinking ....WHAT DO I REALLY WANT ?!???!

CHAPEL wrote: na she is probably talking about your tricep hang..

Ok ya, I'm flexing it and its a funny camera angle....looks a bit weird i admit

Just checked I was 78kg in that photo, after my 3rd cycle of prop/equi/winny. I'm now 93kg with a few more cycles behind my belt.

STUARTF wrote:

CHAPEL wrote: na she is probably talking about your tricep hang..

Ok ya, I'm flexing it and its a funny camera angle....looks a bit weird i admit

There is nothing wrong with that tricep at all... looks normal to me.

There's nothing wrong with that tricep :huh:

I don't believe there are many bodybuilders satisfied with what they have achieved. Most want more and more...

Most of us bodybuilders suffer or will eventually suffer from muscle dysmorphia or bigorexia. I once heard that Guy Shaffer suffers from this badly as he once told someone he still believe he is not big enough, but look at the oke... he is huge.

Muscle dysmorphia symptoms:
- Constantly examine themselves in a mirror
- Frequently compare themselves with others
- Hate their reflections
- Become distressed if they miss a workout session or one of their many meals a day
- Become distressed if they do not receive enough protein per day in their diet
- Use anabolic steroids, sometimes unsafely
- Neglect jobs, relationships, or family because of excessive exercising
- Have delusions of being underweight or below average in musculature.
- In extreme cases, inject appendages with fluid (e.g. synthol)
- Suffers from constant mood swings
- In extreme cases, being grumpy and short tempered

I have to admit that I suffer from a number of the above symptoms and did see a psychiatrist about it. I stopped bodybuilding for two years and things got back to normal, but I started training again recently and already old problems are reappearing... However, so far I'm managing and people close to me is helping to "monitor" the situation and should it become much worse I will probably quit for good.

admin wrote: I don't believe there are many bodybuilders satisfied with what they have achieved. Most want more and more...

Most of us bodybuilders suffer or will eventually suffer from muscle dysmorphia or bigorexia. I once heard that Guy Shaffer suffers from this badly as he once told someone he still believe he is not big enough, but look at the oke... he is huge.

Muscle dysmorphia symptoms:
- Constantly examine themselves in a mirror
- Frequently compare themselves with others
- Hate their reflections
- Become distressed if they miss a workout session or one of their many meals a day
- Become distressed if they do not receive enough protein per day in their diet
- Use anabolic steroids, sometimes unsafely
- Neglect jobs, relationships, or family because of excessive exercising
- Have delusions of being underweight or below average in musculature.
- In extreme cases, inject appendages with fluid (e.g. synthol)
- Suffers from constant mood swings
- In extreme cases, being grumpy and short tempered

I have to admit that I suffer from a number of the above symptoms and did see a psychiatrist about it. I stopped bodybuilding for two years and things got back to normal, but I started training again recently and already old problems are reappearing... However, so far I'm managing and people close to me is helping to "monitor" the situation and should it become much worse I will probably quit for good.

I suffer from a number of those. Don't think I want to change.

Yea stuart i dont see anything wrong with ur tricep, looks normal

as to those dysmorphia, i seem to have alooooooooooooot of those symptoms,

lol worst is that you can never take anyone seriously when they say you are big, just think they are been nice/friendly

Kkkyle wrote: Yea stuart i dont see anything wrong with ur tricep, looks normal

as to those dysmorphia, i seem to have alooooooooooooot of those symptoms,

lol worst is that you can never take anyone seriously when they say you are big, just think they are been nice/friendly

Exactly, it sucks. Same with me kyle. I also hate not getting in all my meals, ill rather go to the gym before I go to a family braai (ill go after gym) I can't walk past a mirror without evaluating my body, I like my reflection but hate fotos at kak angles where I look smallish. Obviously use anabolic. Its just general. I mean my food and supps are over 3k monthly. That's without steroids which you know gets pricey... If I didn't do bodybuilding I wouldn't even spend 2k on food... But ya, is how it is

iMan wrote: He died from all the excessive fatburners he used. Thus leading to heart problems and then the heart attack he got in the sauna. Read some articles about him, one of his friend says he got excited like a child in a candy store when buying gear.

Actually he had a congenital heart defect he didn't know about, factor in the gear, coke, clen and the sauna death was almost a certainty


Personally I just want to get to 110kg at 12% bf and have that Derek Poundstone thickness and strength

@ deadgoat. I said I only wanted to be w05 @ 10% fodyfat. That's what you say now, till you get there...

Yeah but once you get pass a certain point life becomes a chore to maintain that bodyweight. I've got a very small bone stricture so my body isn't meant to be 130kg at 4%.

If I go above 110 it means my gear dosages and sides will increase, might have to go on hGH and slin which I have no intention of doing. Cankles, flattened soles, high BP being on constant meds does not sound attractive, and I haven't even factored in eating all those large meals and struggling to find clothing. Its tough enough to get size 13 shoes I don't want to struggle to get jeans and tshirts too

Not all of us were meant to be big bro

Yet all of us want to ha ha. I just don't want that bloated gut... Slin and gh is what makes you a monster. I haven't had the nerve to use it either, risky.

But I guess we all have different goals. None of us were meant to be 130kg @ 4% bodyfat.

Hmmm, muscle dysmorphia much? hear all that from my gf every damn day. Jakes im fully with you on that, i like the way i look, but im always evaluating, looking for weak points, checking photos to make sure i look my best... And wherever you go you check out the other okes to make sure you are the biggest or best built. Being big begins to define you, all your mats and people you know , know you as the big guy with the muscles. People will always look and/or comment and this just feeds it. It's very hard to not let it become an obsession. I dont think i could imagine being skinny again, almost feels like when i was skinny i used to just fade into the background... I do enjoy the attention it gets you, at the gym or on the beach.

As for personal goals, right now my goal is 90kg at my current bf... But im sure that'll change should i ever get there

spike wrote: Hmmm, muscle dysmorphia much? hear all that from my gf every damn day. Jakes im fully with you on that, i like the way i look, but im always evaluating, looking for weak points, checking photos to make sure i look my best... And wherever you go you check out the other okes to make sure you are the biggest or best built. Being big begins to define you, all your mats and people you know , know you as the big guy with the muscles. People will always look and/or comment and this just feeds it. It's very hard to not let it become an obsession. I dont think i could imagine being skinny again, almost feels like when i was skinny i used to just fade into the background... I do enjoy the attention it gets you, at the gym or on the beach.

As for personal goals, right now my goal is 90kg at my current bf... But im sure that'll change should i ever get there

Yup.. 100% correct. Lol even when I go to the movies or what ever I always sum up the other guys ha ha. But I think its typical male... ALL guys want to be big. Its not just some, the ones that say "I don't want to" know that deep down that is a lie. They can't achieve it and want excuses to feel better about themselves. Let's say you had the option to be as big as branch warren for example or you could be normal size, which guy will choose normal size? None.

I grew up seeing arnold movies like terminator, pumping iron and predator etc. The comic books ect they have huge hero's not some 150 pound weakling. We have been mindwashed lol

Completely agree with the last couple of comments. It is an obssesion. At the end of the day who doesn't want to be the best they can be? The difference comes in when you ask yourself what will I do to achieve that!! Some people just have no concept of when enough is enough and that's where the problem lies.

jakes wrote: I grew up seeing arnold movies like terminator, pumping iron and predator etc. The comic books ect they have huge hero's not some 150 pound weakling. We have been mindwashed lol

Yeah, I grew up watching and playing with Masters of the Universe figurines. Those okes were seriously staunch. Since then I've always had a fascination with muscles.... i mean what hero isn't built like a brick shithouse, society dictates it.

thats true, no going out unless iv gymed, and eaten atleast two meals, then sizing up other guys, and either feeling skinny if they are bigger or not big enough if you are slightly bigger than them. Haha my student budget really suffers with eating, barely ever have money to do anything else

My psychiatrist told me that almost all bodybuilders suffer from some form of obsessive disorder.

I've always been a perfectionist and I will spend hours on small details... I spent 3 hours last night perfecting a pretty advanced SQL query and made hundreds of small changes to optimize it... Thing is that I know it's not necessary to make the changes, but I just couldn't leave it without getting it to perform 100%.

The same happens with my training and I'm never satisfied with my achievements. Constantly seeing the imperfections and trying to make it right is quickly becoming an obsession and once you fall down the cliff other aspects in your life begins to suffer and that can do allot of harm when left untreated.

Kkkyle wrote: thats true, no going out unless iv gymed, and eaten atleast two meals, then sizing up other guys, and either feeling skinny if they are bigger or not big enough if you are slightly bigger than them. Haha my student budget really suffers with eating, barely ever have money to do anything else

with you on that one about the student budget.

Ag well, I'm not going to stop. At least I will die big lol... I'd rather be addicted to weights than drugs.

As soon as we achieve a goal, we will want more. That's just how we are. Its like that with money too. You'll never have enough

ya i said 2 more kgs then thats it about 10kgs ago

guys with muscles are sexy! i think chicks like it coz they like to feel protected. So muscles = big and strong! Its hot when a guy can lift a girl like a leaf? hmmmm .... my favourite is large pecs, but they must be round and full, i dont like when the nipple is too close to the bottom line of the pec, haha, its hard to explain. But that is soooo sexy on a man. Oh and a dark tan!!! num num.... :woohoo:

there is nothing better than hugging a big masculine guy! Skinny guys just dont do it for me! Even if a guy is too ripped, its ugly! They feel like skeletons. You know how many good looking guys there are at my gym, who have fantastic upper bodies and skinny little legs! Its not cool, and i see them! they dont train legs!!!! why is this such a common mistake for men? Il tell you who has a good body..... Andrew Hudson! He is well preportioned!

nikinunu88 wrote: there is nothing better than hugging a big masculine guy! Skinny guys just dont do it for me! Even if a guy is too ripped, its ugly! They feel like skeletons. You know how many good looking guys there are at my gym, who have fantastic upper bodies and skinny little legs! Its not cool, and i see them! they dont train legs!!!! why is this such a common mistake for men? Il tell you who has a good body..... Andrew Hudson! He is well preportioned!

I believe DJ does Andrew's diets and helps with contest preparation, so that's one of the reasons behind his success.

nikinunu88 wrote: guys with muscles are sexy! i think chicks like it coz they like to feel protected. So muscles = big and strong! Its hot when a guy can lift a girl like a leaf? hmmmm .... my favourite is large pecs, but they must be round and full, i dont like when the nipple is too close to the bottom line of the pec, haha, its hard to explain. But that is soooo sexy on a man. Oh and a dark tan!!! num num.... :woohoo:

Women like big guys because its instinct. Big guy = good genetics.
Look in nature, the female looks for the biggest/strongest male.