Ciccone, what's the general consensus?

Can I swap out the tbol with winstrol? Just for my frontload I've got 3 weeks left of frontloading

I wouldn't, the oral steroids is only starting to do what its suppose to do after about 3 weeks

Also would not take Winstrol for Rugby...

Hey all, been a while since I have posted.

Couldn't get PGW so I landed up getting Testabolin 250 from Ciccone.
So far my experience has been, well, a bit odd.

Within 8+ hours after injecting, I land up with what I can only describe as a knot where I injected.
After looking at multiple pages online of possible causes I still cannot narrow it down entirely.
What I do know is that it is not an infection, as besides being really pedantic with my hygiene ( I will triple swap, wash and check everything), there is no redness, fever or warmth unless I have been rubbing the knot. It takes about 3-7 days to subside.
I do not feel that it is my injecting, as I am using the same equipment as previously used and am certain that I am going deep enough (def not sub-cute).

This has happened all 3 times so far. Going for the 4th today and plan on warming the oil and slowing down my injecting.
Not trying to knock brands or anything, just stating my experience so far.

Its not the gear you doing something wrong try a thinner needle.

lobo wrote: Its not the gear .

Based on what do you say this?

Hi Oupa
Was basing it on my experience with there products, he mentioned a knot like feeling which seemed more likely to be caused by a needle or shaky shot.
Gave it some more thought I shouldnt of given such a direct cause for his issue too many variables to say exactly, even if there is nothing wrong with the gear it could just not agree with him, the oil is lighter in colour so im guessing the base might be different to what he normally uses.

If you and admin both agree I cant argue with your guys experience.

He lobo, I thought about that yesterday after posting and decided to add it as a possibility.

All the store had was 25g so it really forced me to slow down (I previously had not trouble using 21g).
The combination of warming the oil, and having a slower injection helped a little bit, but ultimately delayed the same result for me. Still got a knot this morning :dry:

I do agree that it may simply be that the gear and I do not get along, or maybe I react to the oil base they have used.
Like I said yesterday, there are a number of reasons that I have read up on, but nothing that I could say for certain(especially with limited experience and no formal testing), I just wished to share my experience so far, and if anyone has had the same issue, maybe they had a solution.

Thanks for the feedback though, always appreciate insight.

lobo wrote: If you and admin both agree I cant argue with your guys experience.

lobo, the guy injected it 3 times and got the same knob each time, so it must be related to the gear. It's well known that PGW's Testen and Supertest causes these same issues for some and everyone accepts it as part of the pain to get big. Stating right off the bat that the gear is not the cause makes us wonder how you came to that conclusion? Do you perhaps have details about VXM's circumstances that we don't?

admin wrote:
lobo, the guy injected it 3 times and got the same knob each time, so it must be related to the gear. It's well known that PGW's Testen and Supertest causes these same issues for some and everyone accepts it as part of the pain to get big. Stating right off the bat that the gear is not the cause makes us wonder how you came to that conclusion? Do you perhaps have details about VXM's circumstances that we don't?

I had not read or looked for PGW causing similar issues with certain people, and at least know now that it is just something that you can personally react to.
Well,it seems I am just going to have to accept a bit of extra pain in the ass until my cycle is over

So far as anyone on this forum knowing anything about me....that would concern me. So far as I am aware I do not know of anyone that posts here irl and I am sure most people would like to keep it that way.

Like I said before, just stating what I have experienced, others may or may not have the same or similar issues, but at very least if down the line someone has the same issue and reads this, it may save them a bit of worry. Its why even when not posting I still come back and read posts here.

Hi Admin
When I said its not the gear I meant that there is nothing wrong with it in the sense that It wasn't made poperly as you say some might experience pain from certain tests if its dosed closer to 300mg/ml or a very short ester like suspension im not arguing that.

I appologize if the post rubbed you up the wrong will put more thought into my posts in future.


@VXM in future stick to brands you know bud like PGW

I hear you lobo, would have run PGW but couldn't get it this time and I have time constraints so I needed to start the cycle.
Part of me is curious to see if maybe I react to something in Test-E since I have only used Cyp in the previous cycle.
Will see in the future

We are not rubbed up at all, we simply asking questions.

Hundreds, shot guys!

VXM wrote: So far as anyone on this forum knowing anything about me....that would concern me. So far as I am aware I do not know of anyone that posts here irl and I am sure most people would like to keep it that way.

Nobody knows anything about you, that's precisely the point I was making by asking lobo a rhetorical question.