Rich Piana 3 month 30lbs program

I kinda can make sense of his cycle and reasons behind it..that whole thing about pinning different times in a week the reason why he would feel that he's getting bigger or stronger is because his blood levels itself won't be stable nd once the drug is actually getting weaker in his system he hit a 3ml jab which will spike his blood levels and give him that extra push in strength ect I've actually tried this a few years ago and it did work but I was getting hectic hectic break outs and that was the first nd last time I got acne...the reason why he doesn't use any other peptides like igf1 ect is because if u watch he's other vids nothing doesn't "click" for him he explains that the pump from the igf1 isn't that much diff from his normal pump.. His Gh dose is good tho his other steriod doses are a lil skeptical but personally I am gonna follow his diet and training and cardio tips to see where it takes me while I'm off cycle for a while it would be fun.

Ok I relazied I shouldn't really say im off considering im on a pct and still shooting Gh I'll stop Gh in feb-March

Lex wrote: Ok I relazied I shouldn't really say im off considering im on a pct and still shooting Gh I'll stop Gh in feb-March

Agh Lex, dont be a quitter bro, stay on :evil: :lol:

Okay I just had a look at his proposed cycle... He will grow from it and get the 30lbs (most of which he lost recently so will gain back quickly) but he claims he isn't going crazy on the dosages. My bet is that he is showing us smaller dosages to get rid of the "you need high doses" mentality (similar to what Lee Priest does, tells the truth but only half of it).

The truth of the matter is - you just don't get to that size using less than a gram of test, less than a gram of tren or less than a gram of anything else, sorry. Genes are important but I reckon you'd be looking more along the lines of 1.5-2.5g of most compounds (excluding Test which I've known pros to go over 8g with). I don't know... I smell bullshit but I'm literally around half his weight so my opinion means bugger-all lol

I always think the bigger you get the more you have to take. Coz 500mg Test in a guy that weighs 70kg isn't going to work the same in a guy that weighs say 120kg. That's just common sense... It's like a 1.3L engine vs a 4.5L V8.... The V8 needs MORE JUICE LOL!!

Personally, I never go below 1200mg Test a week

BeastGP wrote: I always think the bigger you get the more you have to take. Coz 500mg Test in a guy that weighs 70kg isn't going to work the same in a guy that weighs say 120kg. That's just common sense... It's like a 1.3L engine vs a 4.5L V8.... The V8 needs MORE JUICE LOL!!

Personally, I never go below 1200mg Test a week

I do agree with this, however I do not recommend people that can get away with 400mg test to use more, when I started 200mg was enough to see results. I won't use less than 900mg of test.

X2 Pump. People really should only use the minimum amount that they can make gains off of - it just so happens that after years and years of use and kilos and kilos of gains, that minimum amount is raised.

Hormonas wrote: X2 Pump. People really should only use the minimum amount that they can make gains off of - it just so happens that after years and years of use and kilos and kilos of gains, that minimum amount is raised.

Do you suspect that is due to your receptors become desensitized to it? Your body building up a tolerance of sorts towards what you are putting into your body? Or simply due to the fact that extra testosterone is required to to build additional muscle once a certain amount of muscle is reached?

If the latter, wouldn't you lose a lot of your gains post cycle due to the fact that your "natural testosterone" levels are not sufficient to sustain such an amount of muscle or something along those lines?

Or would testosterone levels required to sustain an amount of muscle and test levels to build additional be two different things?

PsyCLown wrote: Do you suspect that is due to your receptors become desensitized to it? Your body building up a tolerance of sorts towards what you are putting into your body? Or simply due to the fact that extra testosterone is required to to build additional muscle once a certain amount of muscle is reached?

If the latter, wouldn't you lose a lot of your gains post cycle due to the fact that your "natural testosterone" levels are not sufficient to sustain such an amount of muscle or something along those lines?

Or would testosterone levels required to sustain an amount of muscle and test levels to build additional be two different things?

I would say that the receptors desensitize and down regulate until you take time off of taking steroids combined with the addition of more muscle needing more hormones in order to grow. When a receptor down regulates, it can be reversed (as with diabetes) somewhat by removing the issue (in diabetes, insulin sensitivity can be increased by following a proper diet and doing regular exercise) and with steroids this would be removing the relatively high levels of steroids.

These freakishly huge guys often dont come off, not many actually "cycle". If they do "come off", they will usually be on a cruising dose of testosterone which would be anywhere from 100mg-a few grams of test per week and possibly another compound or two (excluding GH and moving between orals) just to keep their muscle mass on. If they do truly come off of everything but still aim to grow or maintain their muscle mass, they will not keep it and will drop down to their genetic limit. That is, if their hormone levels arent completely crushed even after extensive PCT protocols which could actually leave them smaller than their genetic limit.

Hormonas wrote:

PsyCLown wrote: Do you suspect that is due to your receptors become desensitized to it? Your body building up a tolerance of sorts towards what you are putting into your body? Or simply due to the fact that extra testosterone is required to to build additional muscle once a certain amount of muscle is reached?

If the latter, wouldn't you lose a lot of your gains post cycle due to the fact that your "natural testosterone" levels are not sufficient to sustain such an amount of muscle or something along those lines?

Or would testosterone levels required to sustain an amount of muscle and test levels to build additional be two different things?

I would say that the receptors desensitize and down regulate until you take time off of taking steroids combined with the addition of more muscle needing more hormones in order to grow. When a receptor down regulates, it can be reversed (as with diabetes) somewhat by removing the issue (in diabetes, insulin sensitivity can be increased by following a proper diet and doing regular exercise) and with steroids this would be removing the relatively high levels of steroids.

These freakishly huge guys often dont come off, not many actually "cycle". If they do "come off", they will usually be on a cruising dose of testosterone which would be anywhere from 100mg-a few grams of test per week and possibly another compound or two (excluding GH and moving between orals) just to keep their muscle mass on. If they do truly come off of everything but still aim to grow or maintain their muscle mass, they will not keep it and will drop down to their genetic limit. That is, if their hormone levels arent completely crushed even after extensive PCT protocols which could actually leave them smaller than their genetic limit.

I think it also depends how long you go off for. I mean when I go off I normally keep very good gains by sticking to GH & Slin on my PCT (Not that I recommend Slin for ANYONE!) but that's how I do it. And if I do a full blown prepping year then I only come off cycle once for 8 weeks.

BeastGP wrote: I think it also depends how long you go off for.

Agreed, your body takes time to lose the weight that you've gained if you continue to stimulate the muscle and eat like a mad man. It just won't be possible to stay above your genetic limit IMO.

Lex wrote: ...the reason why he doesn't use any other peptides like igf1 ect is because if u watch he's other vids nothing doesn't "click" for him he explains that the pump from the igf1 isn't that much diff from his normal pump.. His Gh dose is good tho his other steriod doses are a lil skeptical...

As soon as Rich says "Think about it logically" you need to but on gumboots because there might me serious bullshit. Science isn't logical, physiology isn't logical. Logic is theory of reasoning, lucid arguments or deduced rationality. Dammit I would love to sit down with Rich Panorama and teach him English. Getting carried away. Anyway, thanks for your imput Lex, I get what you mean and I am on par with you, Hormonas and 00pump when it comes to this subject. So I'm not going to repeat what's been said.

BeastGP wrote: I always think the bigger you get the more you have to take. Coz 500mg Test in a guy that weighs 70kg isn't going to work the same in a guy that weighs say 120kg. That's just common sense... It's like a 1.3L engine vs a 4.5L V8.... The V8 needs MORE JUICE LOL!!

Personally, I never go below 1200mg Test a week

Please stop using cars as analogies to body building/ fitness. I've seem it before, and it probably wasn't you BeastGP so don't take it personally. But seriously, we are talking using mechanics as a metaphor for biology and kinesiology. Retarded.

BeastGP wrote: I think it also depends how long you go off for. I mean when I go off I normally keep very good gains by sticking to GH & Slin on my PCT (Not that I recommend Slin for ANYONE!) but that's how I do it. And if I do a full blown prepping year then I only come off cycle once for 8 weeks.

Totally. Plus Rich Xylophone does his hCG for a long ass time post cycle. By the way he has been off since before the Olympia (mid September I think?) So a little more than 14 weeks off. For sure he will give a starting weight in 2016, so we can backtrack and check how much mass was lost in between.

It's always good hearing your opinions furk and I agree with everything u just stated

The goose is loose.

So keen to follow his progress. He starts on Monday ...

PumpSeeker wrote: So keen to follow his progress. He starts on Monday ...

Not even going to lie, I'm always a contributor to the jokes and trolling in the comment section. Rich just makes it too easy.

He mentions that you cannot eat before / after taking HGH? Is this true? If so, why not and for how long?

I might be wrong, but that concave on a on a pec stretch is usually a telltail.

Also, 04:49, "There's no theory behind this, we are going to mix up the workouts, we are going to confuse the body..."

Good 'ol Ricky Pancake has alot of haters :lol: While I do question his reasoning with some things, I'm still a fan to be honest Hey furk, ya my pec also does that in that position (not to Rich's extent though :lol: ) I've never heard of drinking oats before... as in straight from the bowl :silly: :lol:

Furk wrote:

I might be wrong, but that concave on a on a pec stretch is usually a telltail.

Also, 04:49, "There's no theory behind this, we are going to mix up the workouts, we are going to confuse the body..."

That dude has so much oil America wants to invade.

With him we would never know if his weight gan is muscle or synthol...

PsyCLown wrote: He mentions that you cannot eat before / after taking HGH? Is this true? If so, why not and for how long?

30min - 1 hour pre and post HGH. HGH is an insulin agonist and has to do with that, it mainly concerns carbs. Also, including slin in your protocol changes when you need to take HGH. Can't remember if Rich Pantera mentioned slin use.
Also pre-bed HGH is looked down upon as that's when you naturally produce the most GH, so you don't want to interfere with that.

But I'd love one of the seniors to jump in and expand/correct me.

Rooi Bul 86 wrote: With him we would never know if his weight gan is muscle or synthol...

He think he is past that stage. It's his right to disclose only what he wants, but I feel he won't be a scumbag about it.

The shit this guy says. FFS :lol:



By the way, that comment on milk is horse crap. Milk has an amino acid completeness profile of 85, that's pretty good. If Rich really wanted to complete it he would also need to add: Tryptophan, Arginine, Tyrosine, Cysteine, Methionine, Alanine and Glycine. Not sure that he understands that BCAAs are only 3. None of my business though.....