Spazzz' 2nd cycle log

So.. Officially started my 2nd cycle, and I'm in week 3 now, and will use this as my log to check in on a regular basis. I know some okes were interested in me keeping this log, as I decided to use tbol instead of dbol..

Week 1 – 12 = Test E @ 500mg weekly
Week 1 – 18 = Proviron @40mg ED
Week 1 – 6 = Tbol Kickstart @ 40mg ED
Week 13 – 18 = Anavar at 60mg ED
Week 19 - 23 = PCT 1 as per the sample cycles
HCG from week 1 @ 500ui weekly
Arimidex on standby for gyno symptoms, but might start with this next week at .5mg EOD
Im throwing in some primo at 400mg pw as soon as i get my stock! I also started my HCG at 500iu pw, as my balls almost disappeared during my 1st cycle

I have my daily supplements (cals,vit c, mag, zinc, omega 3,6, liver support)
Pre workout i use Bullnox, and BCAA during training and some extra creatine mono
Diet is also spot on!
Will do my bloods in the middle of my cycle, and also after pct

For interest sake, how do u guys take your essentiale extreme dosage. The pack says 2tabs 3x daily. Is this sufficient for liver support?

Keen to follow, post some pics bro.

Will do bro!

Any advice on taking essentiale extreme? Do i stick to the 2tabs x3times daily?

Spazzz wrote: Will do bro!

Any advice on taking essentiale extreme? Do i stick to the 2tabs x3times daily?

No idea bud? Never used it, MA would know best.

Spazzz wrote: Will do bro!

Any advice on taking essentiale extreme? Do i stick to the 2tabs x3times daily?

It depends how healthy your liver is. If healthy then I would go for 2 tabs twice a day which is still overkill for TBol. TBol go for 60 mg minimum.

Hey guys!

End of week 3.. And oh boy!! Strenth went up big time, gained 4kgs and not bloated! Vains looks like a roadmap and the pump is insane. Im impressed! Also no sides or gyno symptoms yet, except for my balls that is shrinking.. But taking HCG twice a week @ 300iu x 2

Thx again Oupa for the suggestion! You are a legend bra!!! I will post some before and after pics soon.

Peace !

@Spazzz

Boedie, looking like a great cycle thus far! I'm properly interested in how the Primo will add to your cycle gains.

Keen on dem progress pics as well! Best of luck for the rest brotha


Shot,

L.Ruger

Sup gents..

Ok.. In week 5 now.. And i luvit!! Vains pop through my skin, stamina and power went up alot, libido is awesome as well! The size is very noticeable and rock hard

However.. Got a pain in my chest (felt like my heart) and got very dizzy, and a little shaky when i pinned my 250mg test e and 200mg primo on Monday. Maybe hit a vain or the goose injected too quickly.. Thought i was gonna die.. Still have a bit of a cramp in my chest every now and then though! Did my 2nd weekly pin 30min ago and all good

I read online that some okes recon this is serious, and others laugh it off, as this can happen? What is your experience and/or recommendation?

Peace!

It's happened to me before too... Collapsed on the floor, felt like I had been shot in the chest and I was sweating and shaking. I then crawled onto my bed and half prepared to die, half waited for the pain to pass. I've heard about it happening to a few people before, I don't think it is anything to worry about.


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Hormonas wrote: It's happened to me before too... Collapsed on the floor, felt like I had been shot in the chest and I was sweating and shaking. I then crawled onto my bed and half prepared to die, half waited for the pain to pass. I've heard about it happening to a few people before, I don't think it is anything to worry about.

Nothing to worry about... Hahaha, call me a pissy but I will shit my pants if that happens to me, how you explained it, while on gear...

Hehe it sucked bro! Really felt like im getting a heart attack or something!

Oupa, Pump, MA, and the likes - do you have any experience on this?

It happend to my cousin recently, docters said he's blood is too thick?? Possible? Maybe as he does not excersize, or it could be unhealthy life style or genetics as our whole family has heart problems...

Spazzz wrote: Sup gents..

Ok.. In week 5 now.. And i luvit!! Vains pop through my skin, stamina and power went up alot, libido is awesome as well! The size is very noticeable and rock hard

However.. Got a pain in my chest (felt like my heart) and got very dizzy, and a little shaky when i pinned my 250mg test e and 200mg primo on Monday. Maybe hit a vain or the goose injected too quickly.. Thought i was gonna die.. Still have a bit of a cramp in my chest every now and then though! Did my 2nd weekly pin 30min ago and all good

I read online that some okes recon this is serious, and others laugh it off, as this can happen? What is your experience and/or recommendation?

Peace!

Hmm this is something I personally don't like to play around with. The reason for what happened could be many things however it could be something dangerous. Have you been keeping an eye on your heart rate? And blood pressure? The heart is like any other muscle and sometimes if your heart rate is above normal coupled with elevated blood pressure you may be putting strain on the heart. I know everytime I've had a heart scare it's taken a good couple days for the heart to stop feeling so tense, best thing to take it Panado, not anti inflammatory medication. However you may just want to have your bloods checked / hemoglobin and your troponin levels. I can't advise anything without some result, however if it is something to be concerned about and you have an elevated RBC count with high bp and an increased heart rate, you a stroke or heart attack in the making. I prefer not to take chances with things anymore and play it safe.

Thank you Pump!

I will get the tests sone ASAP! Appreciate your detailed response!!! Tested my blood preassure a few times after the incident, and its 100%.

Cheerz!

Spazzz wrote: Thank you Pump!

I will get the tests sone ASAP! Appreciate your detailed response!!! Tested my blood preassure a few times after the incident, and its 100%.

Cheerz!

Well if your blood pressure is normal I'm not nearly that worried then. Remember there is allot of muscle above the heart area and what sometimes happens is we tense that part up, just by focusing on 'our heart' but it isn't even the heart that is tense, it's muscles above.. normally when we feel something odd our brains go crazy and manifests things which isn't that real. I wouldn't worry about tropin levels then. It's completely up to you if you want to do bloods then full blood count/ urea and electrolytes/ liver function, if you do want to test our your heart then go for the cardiac markers / risk factor.

Good luck

Great stuff - thx Pump!

I want to play it safe obviously, so I will take tour advice! Your knowledge on this is really awesome! Thx for the mentorship here on the forum!! You are not perhaps a trained medical professional

Will keep you updated on the results!

Spazzz wrote: Great stuff - thx Pump!

I want to play it safe obviously, so I will take tour advice! Your knowledge on this is really awesome! Thx for the mentorship here on the forum!! You are not perhaps a trained medical professional

Will keep you updated on the results!

Its a pleasure, that's why we here, to help advise where we can. I'm not a qualified medical practitioner so I will always advise the route that provides real medical data and make sure anyone I do offer advise to is that of a safe nature and always having the persons best interest at heart and not my ego of providing uneducated information that can bring harm to someone, that is the whole purpose of the forum, to prevent harm and guide people using AAS.

The blood tests are more for your peace of mind, "when" they come back normal you can the have piece of mind your body is healthy and you safe to carry on, if you don't you can start to develop a psychological phobia of some sorts because that scare you had is still in your mind even though it's been played down its a baseline to continue to add worry to causing future anxiety and even panic attacks.

Awesome stuff Pump - thank you! I need peace of mind, so will go for the heart tests rather and do liver function tests as well. I will go to the dr asap, and let him order the tests

In your opinion, should i disclose my cycle to him during consutation, hence why i want the tests done, or only after the results?

Thank you

I'm not sure if he needs to know, if he has to treat you then a GP will not be the right person anyway and then you should take the results to a cardiologist.

Ask for the tests because you have had pain in your kidneys and would like to check them, you would like to do a full blood count because you have suffered with anaemia before and you would like your liver tested because you been drinking a lot of alcohol and just feel worried what the state of them might be.

Don't worry about cardiac markers because they only effective shortly after you get the chest pain, the hsTroponin T ranges would give very little insight at this late stage.. However the full blood count can cover things like MCV, MCH, RDW, Red Cell count, Hemoglobin bla bla bla... And the kidney tests with show things like potassium, sodium, chloride, co2, etc.

Thx again for the detailed respose Pump and your time! Got my appointment for tomorrow!

I hope its just all in my mind, but by going through these tests and posting the results, will give insight to other members as well, so i also see this exercise as a benifit to the whole forum!

I wil kick myself in the nuts if this is just something in my head :blink:

+1!

It probably is all in your mind, gear causing anxiety, you playing with hormones.

Hello Spazzz,
I nearly missed this post of yours and I was waiting on this.

Sorry to hear about the chest pains, hope it clears soon and that the blood tests come back clean.
Keep us informed of what the doc says
Haha, and sorry to hear about your nuts. But they should return to normal after the cycle.
Jono

Good day all

Hope you are all doing well!

Ok.. went to the Dr and got my bloods.. I'm in week 6 of my cycle, and did the bloods because of the scare I got with my heart. I think now that my GF injected into a vain and too quickly, hence my terrible side effect after a test e and primo pin recently. I don't wish this upon my worst enemy

1. My heart seems 100% after the EKG and extensive physical examination. So the Dr said is should be the muscles in the chest that had inflammation.
2. My Test levels are through the roof
3. Liver Enzymes high still, but finished my Tbol last week. so that's maybe why
4. My cholesterol is also high..
5. My BP is also spot-on

Any suggestions around my cholesterol would be highly appreciated!

Other than that - I luv my cycle!! Good gains so far, nice vains and strenth is amazing! No other side effects.. No gyno (must be the proviron) keeping the biatch away so far) My balls also not as small after the HCG @ 300iu. So I have not introduced the Adex yet...

Looking good bro. The cholestrol is fine for being on cycle and if you taking an AI it would also elevate it. Cholestrol slightly high during cycle isn't a big thing. I was nearly certain it was the muscle above the heart that's why I mentioned it in my first post.

Cholesterol not a problem at all. In fact most people who are immune to high cholesterol show this exact profile. There is no risk at all. Bloods are perfect you should be stoked! I lol'd at your test levels.