Spazzz' 2nd cycle log

Youll be fine, klap daai cycle

Thx Oupa!!

Hey guys

Hope you are all doing well!

In week 12 of my cycle below:

Week 1 – 12 = Test E @ 500mg weekly
Week 3 - 12 = Primobolan depot @400mg per week
Week 1 – 18 = Proviron @40mg ED
Week 1 – 6 = Tbol Kickstart @ 40mg ED
Week 13 – 18 = Anavar at 60mg ED
Week 19 - 23 = PCT 1 as per the sample cycles
HCG from week 1 @ 500ui weekly

Did a LFT, Kidney and Cholesterol test, as I was concerned about my elevating enzymes. Based on the results below, will you advise I continue with Anavar next week?

Oupa - I know you said I will be fine, and that Anavar is "light" but do you still believe so after the results below? This is only my 2nd cycle, and I just want to ensure I am not causing harm to my liver. If I'm over paranoid, you are welcome to point that out!!

Thx and appreciate your comments and feedback!

Spazzz wrote: Hey guys

Hope you are all doing well!

In week 12 of my cycle below:

Week 1 – 12 = Test E @ 500mg weekly
Week 3 - 12 = Primobolan depot @400mg per week
Week 1 – 18 = Proviron @40mg ED
Week 1 – 6 = Tbol Kickstart @ 40mg ED
Week 13 – 18 = Anavar at 60mg ED
Week 19 - 23 = PCT 1 as per the sample cycles
HCG from week 1 @ 500ui weekly

Did a LFT, Kidney and Cholesterol test, as I was concerned about my elevating enzymes. Based on the results below, will you advise I continue with Anavar next week?

Oupa - I know you said I will be fine, and that Anavar is "light" but do you still believe so after the results below? This is only my 2nd cycle, and I just want to ensure I am not causing harm to my liver. If I'm over paranoid, you are welcome to point that out!!

Thx and appreciate your comments and feedback!

Hey guys!

Can anyone comment as help a bro out here? Thx and much appreciated

Please gents - i need to hear from the experts here!! I might be paranoid.. I know.. But i dont have the experience to make a fair call, soni am relying on your experience and advice!!

Thx okes - much appreciated!!

Howzit bro- not entirely sure about the test results as have never done one for liver enzymes before. I do know that Anavar is very mild (have run it at 80mg's a day for 8 weeks without any issues whatsoever). On top of this your liver does regenerate (i.e. Repair itself). I don't think there is much risk of permanent damage unless your pre disposed to liver problems (genetics). If I were you I would run var at 20-40mgs a day just to keep your strength and energy up. People do far worse things to their liver (excessive drinking) all the time, and most don't experience any real problems. All the best and don't stress too much about it!

Spazz, if Oupa and them reckon your liver is fine then I would say go ahead and run Anavar & Proviron for your bridge.

I see you are taking Essentiale, are you also taking some Milk Thistle?

If you really want to avoid the Anavar, why not consider using test prop for your bridge as you seem to be enjoying the test. I ran a winstrol & test prop bridge on my 1st cycle and think I will run test prop as a bridge again.

Test propionate has a half-life of 4.5 days, so it is in full swing within around 2 weeks and then you will be ready to start your PCT after 2 weeks of stopping it.

It was discussed how to run the prop as a kickstart / bridge in my thread here: www.anabolicsteroids.co.za/forum/4-cycle...6091-psy-s-2nd-cycle

Kidneys and Cholesterol are fine. Looking at your results from July vs Aug, your liver is not happy. Please don't stress, you are not at risk. It's just that you need to let the liver recover. Keep up the cruciale for 8 weeks and add milk thistle, then retest.


I would advise not to take an oral and bridge with a short ester Test.

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Just double check the curcumin-novasol Product Interactions. Should be fine.

Folks must do a little more support on the liver running these oral cycles it seems. Essentiale on it's own in my opinion is not enough.

The products i am buying in prep for doing a cycle are around 10 times the price of the juice itself.

Spending a little more on the liver is a great investment i say.

Hope this helps.

Psy, Pyro, M1234, thx-a-ml - thank you all for the comments!! Will read up and go with the test prop and check the stuff out that thx-a-mil posted! Will save my Proviron and anavar for my next cycle. Just a pity my liver takes so long to recover after the tbol

I will keep you posted on the progress!

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Milk thistle is a herb traditionally used as a liver protectant and to support liver function. Milk thistle is also used to relieve digestive disturbances and heartburn.

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There are many types of liver injuries
Cholestasis is one liver injury associated with the use of oral androgens. This condition causes a failure of normal bile flow from the liver and the production of bile within the liver.
Bile is an essential ‘de-greaser’ of dietary fats. An insufficient amount of bile salts can prevent proper dietary fat utilization, cause acid indigestion as well as a backup of toxicity. Bile insufficiency can also cause poor hormone production due to the fact that many hormones are made from lipids.
Soon after taking oral androgens it becomes apparent that excessive doses or prolonged use can be damaging to liver function, (14) and since there have been several case studies of jaundice and liver failure secondary to oral androgen use, both self-administered (15) and in a clinical setting. (16,17) The liver toxic effects of oral androgens are of a primarily cholestatic nature(liver damaging). This leads to impaired bile flow at low concentrations. These retained bile salts cause programmed cell death and at higher concentrations, necrosis and severe liver damage.
This is where Cycle Guard comes into the picture.
It was designed with users of oral androgens in mind, and brings together the best anti-cholestatic ingredients available. Each ingredient in Cycle Guard has been specifically chosen to help combat the effects of oral androgens on the liver.

Tauroursodeoxycholic Acid (TUDCA)
Can prevent programmed cell death and strongly stabilizes mitochondrial membranes (1)
When used consistently, TUDCA eventually becomes the predominant bile acid in the liver and in general circulation. (2)
Directly stimulates bile export and secretion which helps digestion, cleansing of toxins and hormone production (3,4,5)

Polyenylphphosphatidylcholine (PPC)
Stabilizes cellular membranes and dilates bile canaliculi (fine tubular channels forming a three-dimensional network within the parenchyma of the liver. They join to form the bile ductiles and eventually the hepatic duct.) This has been shown to protect human cells from accumulation of toxic bile salts within the hepatocyte (A hepatocyte is a cell of the main tissue of the liver. Heptocytes make up 70-85% of the liver’s cytoplasmic mass) An accumulation of toxic bile salts can cause serious liver damage (6,7)
Oral androgen administration may decrease liver values all of which may be restored, and even raised, by the use of PPC (polyenylphosphatidylcholine) (
PPC is secreted into bile by hepatocytes, where it serves as a major component of the micelles in which bile acids are emulsified. Increased levels of phosphatidylcholine reduces the toxicity of bile acids (9)

N-acetylcysteine (NAC)
Is both a metabolite of and a precursor to glutathione, a naturally-occurring peptide that is important in the detoxification of lipophilic toxins in the liver. (10)
Functions as an anti-oxidant to minimise oxidative stress to cells caused by reactive oxygen species (11)
Has anti-inflammatory properties and may reduce levels of inflammatory cytokines. (12)
May minimise muscle fatigue during exercise (13)

S-Adenosyl-L-Methionine Disulfate Tosylate (SAMEe)
Is a precursor to glutathione, which may be able to prevent androgen induced cholestasis and liver injury.
Can inhibit bile acid induced hepatocyte programmed cell death, (18,19,20) reduces the inflammatory cytokine TNF-alpha, (21,22) and can reduce oxidative stress via glutathione replenishment, (23) which may also play a role in treating the effects of cholestasis (liver damage). (24)
Has been studied extensively as a safe and effective treatment for pregnancy induced cholestasis (liver damage) (25,26,27) and in a case study, was even shown to reverse severe androgen induced cholestasis. (28) Due to its distinct mechanism of action it has an additive effect when used alongside TUDCA. (18,26)
As a direct precursor to glutathione the benefits associated with SAMe use are not limited to liver protection. It is also in wide use as a general antioxidant and anti-inflammatory.

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All the best hope it helps.

Th@nks-a-ml

Hey guys

Just heard i need to travel abroad for work. Leaving on 18th Sept and back 3weeks after. Its in the middle east, and there are certain vaccines that needs to be taken (hepatitis a and typhoid, and possibly yellow fever, just waiting for confirmation)

Should any of these injections not be taken because of the gear? I will be done with my test e a few days before departure. I will therefore not do my bridge with test prop unfortunately , and just wait for pct to start once im back in the country.

Thx gents and have a super weekend!

Hay Spazzz. You most likely will not have a option if it is going to be work related. I have travelled extensively abroad.

When I was on my way to live in South America I had to have just about every dam injection there is. You then get a little yellow card that says you have successfully paid and had your ass kicked and are safe to travel to certain destinations ( high risk normally) around the world.

So if the middle east job destination requires you to have the little yellow card you have no option because they will not let you into their country without it.

Hope that helps.

hehehehe some of the injections are delightfully painful.

Go look at the contra indications on the vaccines websites and cross reference it with the gear precautions you on.

Th@nks-a-ml wrote: Hay Spazzz. You most likely will not have a option if it is going to be work related. I have travelled extensively abroad.

When I was on my way to live in South America I had to have just about every dam injection there is. You then get a little yellow card that says you have successfully paid and had your ass kicked and are safe to travel to certain destinations ( high risk normally) around the world.

So if the middle east job destination requires you to have the little yellow card you have no option because they will not let into their country without it.

Thx bro!

The question is, will this not conflict/clash with the current stuff in my body?

If you wondering about the chemical interactions between hepatitis a and typhoid etc with juice. Good luck there. I have no fkn clue.

You might have to wing it for works sake.

Mom is in the medical field.

Speak to your GP.

All the best.

Hmm, look I really am not too sure either and would wait for some of the other guys to reply or speak to a Dr about it.

However, I doubt the test will interact with the other stuff - what would people on TRT do then?
The orals however, might be a different story but I still think you will be perfectly safe. I doubt they will interact with each other.

Thx Psy and Mil!

Im off the orals for a long time now and will then not use the prop for bridge. And my pct will start a week or so after my return. So it works out perfectly. Just wanted to check if the high test levels could screw something up with the vaccines. I will wait for the other mods to comment

Thx guys and have a super weekend

You will be fine.

You off the orals.

Support your kidneys and liver. You will have a lot of strange crap going through them.

Just bang it.

Hopefully you do not have to get yellow fever. Yuk jab that one.

Hey Guys

Took my last test e and primo shot on thursday, and will wait now for pct. As i mentioned in my earlier post, im leaving for the far east next week sunday. The pct wont be an issue, as i will be back before it starts. My concern is the HCG.. I will be gone for 2-3weeks, and obviously cant take my HCG on a plane. Is there any alternatives in your experience that you guys can share? I have been on 500iu per week during cycle, and my plannwas to continue up and till my pct starts

Thx guys and have a great week!

I would jab 1000iu before just before i fly

Oupa wrote: I would jab 1000iu before just before i fly

Thx oupa!

When im back, can i then continue with 500iu till pct starts, or do I increase the dose as I missed a few weeks then?

Spazzz wrote:

Oupa wrote: I would jab 1000iu before just before i fly

Thx oupa!

When im back, can i then continue with 500iu till pct starts, or do I increase the dose as I missed a few weeks then?

Hi Oupa, other Mods

Please can you help me out on advice regarding my last post?

Thx man and much appreciated

Spazzz wrote:

Oupa wrote: I would jab 1000iu before just before i fly

Thx oupa!

When im back, can i then continue with 500iu till pct starts, or do I increase the dose as I missed a few weeks then?

I'd go with the 500 and take it from there, it should do the trick.. I have a very heavy trigger finger with hCG as I started with the very oldschool approach of 5000iu, Mon/Wed/Fri, recovery done

Hey guys

Back from my 2 week far east trip. Didnt take hcg for 2 weeks and my pct starts tomorrow. Was planning to take hcg till pct starts. Clomid, nolva and aromasin. Should I continue with 500iu per week for a few weeks with the pct?