Masteron,turinabol,winny,clen cutting cycle?

Hi guys,I've been browsing through most of the topics lately and I want to plan a cutting cycle for later this year.im thinking of using masteron,turinabol,winstrol and clenbutrol

Masteron:week1-8 200mg p/w
Turinabol:week1-4 20mg p/d
Winstrol :week4-8 20mg p/d
Clenbutrol throughout cycle

I understand it will take quite a toll on my liver but I'll get the needed vitamins and medication for it.this will be my 3rd injectable cycle and 5th cycle in total.i would like your guys opinion on the cycle and if there are any improvements I can make? I will update the thread with my stats closer to the time but I'm just planning right now..any input will be highly appreciated

Where is the testosterone?

If you want a simpler cycle

Week 1-8 test prop 100-150mg eod
Week 1-8 masteron 100mg eod (if your body fat is low enough)
Week 1-4 tbol (if need be but don't see much point)
You should cycle Clen with FFF or some other fat burner even with taking something like ketofin or betasleep I still cycle Clen
Unless u getting ready for comp don't see any need to take masteron and winstrol together

Thanks for the help,I will see if my bf is low enough by that time to use masteron otherwise I'll just use the test prop,tbol and Clen with FFF,when I cycle Clen I usually use ketofin and I can drag out a cycle for up to 8 weeks..thanks for the input guys

20mg tbol will do nothing at all for you aqnd 20mg winstrol will do next to nothing

Clen + yoh and FFF cycling works amazing

Prop, Winstrol and clen is more than enough to get ripped with the correct diet.

I've been looking at the sample cycles and am considering doing the anavar,test prop and tren ace intermediate cutting cycle,my question is whether I can swap out the anavar for winstrol or something similar,purely because the price of anavar is gonna drive the total cost through the roof.

Yes you can but not for 8 weeks.

If I start this cycle it will be the first time using tren,I'm thinking of using 70mg eod for a total of 210mg a week. Any input on dosage will help a mil.

70mg / 80mg EOD doesn't make a difference.

Hi Oupa. Wat would a Prop, Winnie and Clen cycle look like?

I would use it like this

Week 1 - 12 @ 150mg - 200mg eod PROP
Week 1 - 5 Winstrol @ 50mg ED
Week 9 - 14 Winstrol @ 50mg ED
Clen week 8 to 14 @ 100mcg - 120mcg max dose ED

Any AI?

Oupa wrote: I would use it like this

Week 1 - 12 @ 150mg - 200mg eod PROP
Week 1 - 5 Winstrol @ 50mg ED
Week 9 - 14 Winstrol @ 50mg ED
Clen week 8 to 14 @ 100mcg - 120mcg max dose ED

So with a cycle like this, would you build muslce up until you start clen and once you start clen the muscle building will stop or would you be able to still add muscle while on clen?


Also would / should one adjust calories once starting the clen?
Caloric surplus from week 1 to 8, then caloric deficit from week 8 to 14?



@Yogi, best would be to wait and see whether you need to run an AI or not.

Week 12 -14 you wont see much muscle gain if im correct due to the fact that you now will take in much less calories. Clen is not a wonder cure for fat. Some however believes that clen has some anabolic effect but no research has proven this thus far. So to answer you on your question. You will not see massive gains in musscle building if youre referring to muscle mass, in the last couple of weeks

Week 12 to 14 would effectively be your bridge so your test levels will decrease over that two week period leading up to your PCT.

Week 8 to 12 you are still on test and even some winstrol. You would throw in the clen to help you lean out at the end of your cycle I am sure. Although if you are still eating at a surplus surely at best it would just shed a bit of water?


How much muscle could one build in those 7 weeks prior to clen usage (or would the starting dosages of clen make it more like 8 weeks worth of muscle building and then 4 weeks of cutting?) ?

I really like the idea of running more shorter cycles as opposed to fewer longer cycles.


EDIT: Sorry, I guess what I am trying to say is that for fat loss or weight gain (muscle or otherwise) it is all diet dependant. Would this cycle be just for cutting due to the fact that it has clen added or could one start out by bulking and then at around week 8 change from bulking to cutting and would such a cycle be effective? Well, how effective would it be?

If the aim is cutting youll gain muscle and definition thanks to test and winstrol. But keep in mind Oupa mentioned its a good cutting cycle earlier which means youll dieet accordingly. If you want to gain more mass from this cycle you can keep up the calories. Id say testand winnie could go both ways. But why add clen if your not planning to lose fat at the end to have more definition.

Yogi wrote: If the aim is cutting youll gain muscle and definition thanks to test and winstrol. But keep in mind Oupa mentioned its a good cutting cycle earlier which means youll dieet accordingly. If you want to gain more mass from this cycle you can keep up the calories. Id say testand winnie could go both ways. But why add clen if your not planning to lose fat at the end to have more definition.

Exactly

Surely if you are in a caloric deficit, even while on testosterone, you will not build muscle??

I fully agree with the clen at the end being used to drop some fat and give you more definition.
However I do not see any reason why you cannot use test prop and winstrol to bulk on provided your diet is on point. Although if you were to use the above cycle as an example.

Week 1 - 8 you are bulking.
Week 9 - 14 you are cutting.

How effective would such a cycle be? Would it be recommended to try and do an entire cycle of either just cutting or just bulking or would a "combination" cycle be alright and still allow for decent gains and assist in keeping your BF % on the lower side?

I am looking and thinking about the possibility of such a cycle to in effect make decent lean gains.
Although perhaps we are going a bit off topic now - sorry.

That is a very good cycle for any user that's got the motivation and commitment to go all the way.

You must see the lean gains one can pull off with only test if you know wtf your doing.

Oupa wrote: That is a very good cycle for any user that's got the motivation and commitment to go all the way.

You must see the lean gains one can pull off with only test if you know wtf your doing.

Alright thanks.

Also I can imagine so, considering that weight loss / gain is all due to your diet.
Although if you are not quite as lean as you would like to be, you would need to probably go into a cutting phase at some point if you are just using test.

Generally you would either need to be just cutting or bulking, seldom you can do both at the same time (lose fat while gaining muscle).
I do not think there are many substances which will allow someone who has been training for a few years to lose weight and gain muscle at the same time. I have heard it is possible with tren, although I am not too sure how that would work - would you still be eating in a caloric deficit or would a surplus work as well?

PsyCLown wrote:
Generally you would either need to be just cutting or bulking, seldom you can do both at the same time (lose fat while gaining muscle).
I do not think there are many substances which will allow someone who has been training for a few years to lose weight and gain muscle at the same time. I have heard it is possible with tren, although I am not too sure how that would work - would you still be eating in a caloric deficit or would a surplus work as well?

Who ever gives you info has no idea what they talking about.

Would you add proviron to that cycle?

Proviron or Masteron will be good yes.