Test Prop Winstrol Bridge First Cycle

Hi guys,

Its been a while since my last post but I've just been trawling the forums and learning as much as I can over the last 2 years or so.

I'm planning my golden cycle and would appreciate the advice and knowledge of those on this forum.

Stats:
22 years old
1.79m
87kg @ 12%bf
I've been training consistently for the last 5 years or so.
in terms of diet I've learned how to manipulate my calories ad macros in order to achieve my goals, most recently I was able to get to 83kg at around 7%bf in September last year.

Proposed Cycle:
Week 1-10: 150mg Test Prop EOD
Week 1-10: 1mg Arimidex EOD
Week 7-12: 50mg Oral Winstrol ED
Week 12: PCT 1

Reason I have chosen Prop over Cyp as suggested in the Beginner Sample Cycle on the forum is that I don't want to wait that long for the Test to kick in. I understand that the frequent injections are not recommended for a first cycle, however if AAS are going to be something I'm going to get involved in then i might as well get used to the injections.

My goal for this cycle is to reach around 95kg without much change in bodyfat and hopefully increase my strength to achieve my 220kg squat, 260kg deadlift and my 160kg bench.

Any advice or tweaks from the more experienced members of the community will be greatly appreciated!

Bud 1mg of adex eod might be over kill start on 0.5 or even 0.25mg eod if needed and maybe drop the winstrol to 30mg ed and see how you respond.

Your adex dose is overkill. Whats the reason for 1mg EOD?

I probably read it wrong but I actually found that dosage on the drug profile on this forum

"Anastrozole is very popular amongst athletes due to its effectiveness and 0.5 mg to 1 mg a day may reduce serum estradiol by about 50% in men. In the majority of cycles 1mg is enough to prevent estrogen levels from rising high enough to cause estrogenic side-effects."

You reading it out of context. Read the sample cycles, some of them may outline the dose to use

Alright changing the Arimidex dosage to 0.5mg every other day.

Lobo, just want to know why you think I should drop the Winstrol dosage? Is it to avoid sides?

Start of with 0.25 and see how you go and if you feel after 2-3weeks you need more then up dosage. Remember keeping Estrogen too low also is not a good thing. Keep estrogen too low and it actually interferes with gains. Also you need some estrogen in your body to be health like for health cholesterol levels and healthy joints and ligaments.

Just keep that in mind.

Sounds good, 0.25mg EOD.

Am I being realistic with the 95kg goal?

I think it is a bit overoptimistic...
But no one can give you a definite answer as we cannot predict gains. Your diet and workout intensity and whether or not you rest enough will dictate that. Also you and a guy with your exact same stats might use the same cycle and end up with different gains as people respond differently.
Train heavy with good form keep rest between sets to a minimum. Eat plenty protein and fats. Drink a lot of water.
Good luck and keep us posted

Latifier wrote: Sounds good, 0.25mg EOD.

Am I being realistic with the 95kg goal?

You should definitely reach 95kg. A good target for a first cycle is 12kg.

Alright thanks, gonna go ahead and order everything this week then.
Will turn this into a log with some before and after photos and will head back here if I need some questions answered.
Thanks for all the help guys, wish me luck!

Just don't expect to keep all of that 12kg post cycle.

Latifier wrote: Alright changing the Arimidex dosage to 0.5mg every other day.

Lobo, just want to know why you think I should drop the Winstrol dosage? Is it to avoid sides?

I think its best to try and get the desired results from the least amount of gear been your first cycle you dont know how you will respond thats why I recommend starting on a lower dose if everything else is in check training, diet and you aren't getting the results then up it a bit and find out what works best for you within reason. Bud I cant tell you what you must and mustn't just making a suggestion.

Alright I'll start with 30mg and if the results aren't there after 2 weeks I'll bump up the dosage to 50mg. Thanks lobo

Pyroclasm wrote:

Latifier wrote: Sounds good, 0.25mg EOD.

Am I being realistic with the 95kg goal?

You should definitely reach 95kg. A good target for a first cycle is 12kg.

Exactly what I gained on my first cycle, retained 7kg.

lobo wrote:

Latifier wrote: Alright changing the Arimidex dosage to 0.5mg every other day.

Lobo, just want to know why you think I should drop the Winstrol dosage? Is it to avoid sides?

I think its best to try and get the desired results from the least amount of gear been your first cycle you dont know how you will respond thats why I recommend starting on a lower dose if everything else is in check training, diet and you aren't getting the results then up it a bit and find out what works best for you within reason. Bud I cant tell you what you must and mustn't just making a suggestion.

Yes 00Pump once said that and I will never forget it, wise words

Besides a proper PCT protocol, what is the best way to retain the muscle post cycle? Keeping calories high and keeping the same intensity in the gym?

Latifier wrote: Besides a proper PCT protocol, what is the best way to retain the muscle post cycle? Keeping calories high and keeping the same intensity in the gym?

Maintenance calories based on your new weight or you will get fat, train hard.

FIllet wrote:

Latifier wrote: Besides a proper PCT protocol, what is the best way to retain the muscle post cycle? Keeping calories high and keeping the same intensity in the gym?

Maintenance calories based on your new weight or you will get fat, train hard.

The one thing I am unsure about though is that your new weight consists of a lot of water as well - would you just count that in there anyways when working our your new maintenance calories?

Depends hey, your metabolism, salt intake, if you use diuretics.

I normally go maintenance and monitor, if I gain fat I cut down.

So I've got all my gear and my PCT and I'm ready to start next week

Just wanted to ask how necessary it was to use 2 different needles to draw the oil and to inject? Also I'm struggling to find Terumo needles, will the dischem brand do the trick? Thanks

Latifier wrote: Just wanted to ask how necessary it was to use 2 different needles to draw the oil and to inject? Also I'm struggling to find Terumo needles, will the dischem brand do the trick? Thanks

The reason most use one needle to draw and another to inject is mainly because the new needle will be 100% fresh and sharp as well as there is no oil around the needle to cause irritation and painful pins.

Also this reason I do not think is justified, but the new needle is sterile when you remove it where as the other needle has been exposed for a longer period of time - however we have an immune system so less of a worry IMO.


I have only used the needles from Dischem and Clicks. They work 100% fine, are cheap and easily available.
Syringes I got all of mine from Dischem and Insulin syringes from Dischem too.
Never heard of the Terumo brand, although I do not pay much attention to the brand of needles and syringes to be honest.

Thanks Psy, appreciate the info. Decided to go with 22G 1 1/4 inch needles.
Had my first pin today tried the ventro glute... probably just my shaky hands but feels like I got kicked in the hip!
Weighed in today at 88kg at 179m so happy that I haven't picked up too much weight while waiting for my cycle.

Nutrition for the next few weeks is at 3000 calories split P188 C375 F83. Will track my weight every week and if it stalls I'll bump up my calories by about 250.

Here's some before pictures. Will be taking progress photos weekly and will post them up to keep track.

Week 1 is done! Weighed in at 89kg so haven't picked up much weight, which I guess is a good thing. Was expecting more water weight to be honest, from most of the cycle logs I've read there's usually quite a big weight increase right at the beginning... not sure if I'm doing something wrong or what... :confused:

Can feel a slight strength increase, managed to squat 200 for 4 sets of 3 a few days ago.
Maybe just my imagination but I feel like I'm looking fuller than usual.
Got a spot or two on my back but that's not out of the ordinary with my skin haha.
With regards to injection sites ventroglute is amazing! While it was uncomfortable at first, I didn't feel it at all the next day or so. Quad injection hurts like a bitch though, tried massaging with a heat pad after this mornings quad injection, hopefully that and the ibuprofen should help.

Do you guys think I should increase calories at all or issues this sort of weight gain normal?