IK's 4th Cycle - How to correctly use Test Prop

Hello all,

I am preparing for my 4th cycle. History is:

1st cycle: Oral only - Primobolan and Proviron
2nd Cycle: Beginner Bulking Cycle variation (TBol, Test Cyp, Winnie as bridge, PCT 2[clodmid and Nolvadex])
3rd Cycle: Beginner Bulking Cycle variation (DBol, Test Cyp, TBol as bridge, PCT 2[clodmid and Nolvadex])

I have not enjoyed the oral bridge in the above cycles. I feel such a massive difference in training between my last test cyp pin and PCT and so for my next cycle I want to rather use short ester test instead of an oral. Is this recommended? Please review my proposal below and critique.

Proposed 4th cycle: Beginner Bulk Cycle variation (DBol, Test Cyp, Test Prop as bridge, PCT 2[clodmid and Nolvadex]). The schedule and dosing for Dbol and Test Cyp I'm now comfortable with. I need help in correctly using Test Prop though and cant find input on a standard beginner bulking cycle.

Ordinarily as a bridge I would run an oral (Tbol in the last cycle) from 2 days after my last test cyp pin for a total of 4 weeks. Then 2 days after my last oral I would begin Clomid. If I want want to try using Test Prop as a bridge, is the below schedule correct? I see the half-life of Prop is 4.5 days. This would mean I should stop using Prop 13.5 days before I start Clomid (3 x half-life), which means I only use Prop for 11 days. What do I do during this 2 week period before PCT? Would I need to look at using test suspension? Or can I use Test Prop up until a few days before PCT starts?

CYCLE
Day 1 – 25 (4 weeks): Dianabol @ 40mg ED (split into 10mg at 6am, 11am, 4pm, 9pm)
Day 1 – 77 (11 weeks): Test Cyp @ 250mg E4D
Day 1 – 77 (11 weeks): Letrozole @ 2 drops EOD
Day 29 – 105 (11 weeks): HCG @ 500iu E4D (i.e. start 4 weeks into cycle and use through bridge, end just before PCT)

BRIDGE
Day 79 – 90 (11 days): Test Prop @ 100mg EOD (first pin 2 days after last test cyp pin. Last pin 14 days before PCT starts)
Day 91 - 105 (2 weeks): ??? Not sure what to use here? Should I continue with Test Prop longer?

PCT
Day 106 – 112: Clomid @ 100mg ED (split AM and PM)
Day 113 – 142: Nolvadex @ 20mg ED (AM)

The guidance of our more experienced members would be appreciated. Oupa, I know you know a lot about the use of short ester test.

Thanks.
Iron Kobra

IK it takes about two weeks for Test Prop to get going so by that time you are off it again and have to wait two weeks to PCT not worth it in my opinion and would just complicate things. I think what you miss in your bridge is the strength so why not try Anavar? For me out of the orals I have tried in the past Anavar gave met good strength and I have only ever ran it at low mg split two or three dosages a day. A guy with your stats no less than 40-60mg a day.

A bit off topic. Did you use Nutritech Vaso No3? If so how would you rate it? I want to use it but add Creatine and Aminos

Thank RB. I didn't realise it takes 2 weeks to get going with Prop. I thought it was much faster acting, hence the ED pins.

One of my main reasons for wanting to use Test Prop, or whichever the appropriate Test variation is, is that my primary goal is mass. I'm not concerned with being cut up, shredded, vascular, etc. I'm learning along my AAS journey that the inclusion of additional compounds to Test is for the particular effect they bring (vascularity, hardness, dryness, strength, etc) most of which I have no interest in and therefore don't see the point of putting the added strain on my body. For me, I experience and see the exact results I am looking for when just using Test.

For this reason, I am interested in the protocol for a Test only cycle. I choose to frontload with DBol just because of how quickly I fill out when on it (which I understand is water).

Surely there is an effective way to transition into PCT using only testosterone? How do people that run test only cycles do this?

Sometimes research AAS can be SO frustrating, because everyone has a different view. All the research I've done on Test only cycles is conflicting but the general consensus seems to be:

Week 1 - 13: HCG @ 500iu p/w
Week 1 - 10: Test Cyp @ 500mg p/w (often with frontload of 2 - 3 x weekly test dose on day one)
Week 11 - 12: Test Prop @ 100mg EOD
Week 13: Nothing (other than continued HCG usage)
Week 14 - 18: PCT 2 (1 week Clomid, 1 month Nolva)

I.e. 2 weeks of Test Prop after Test Cyp. Then PCT starts one week after last Test Prop pin.

Can a mod help me change the topic of this thread to "Help with a Test only cycle". I think it might be more relevant to the information I'm trying to get.

Regards,

IK

Rooi Bul 86 wrote: A bit off topic. Did you use Nutritech Vaso No3? If so how would you rate it? I want to use it but add Creatine and Aminos

As per the recent thread of supplements I have cut out all supplements brother.

But yes, I used to use Nutritech Vaso NO3. I found it to be perfect for what I was looking for. The pump was incredible. My stack for early morning (5am) training was: Naso NO3, creatine, nutritech amino boost, 2 teaspoons Pure MCT oil, and GW-501516. Usually 1 scoop of whey as well.

Shot IK. I have also cut Supplements except SSN multivitamin packs. Looking at including only the Vaso and Aminos and Creatine. Protein Powders doubt I wil ever use any ever again.

Look the half life of Prop is 4.5 days so at best you are only going to notice effect or feel effect at 5 days in. But I am sure there is a way of doing it. Sure one of the Mods wil know. Why not klap a Test Suspension Bridge?

IronKobra767 wrote: One of my main reasons for wanting to use Test Prop, or whichever the appropriate Test variation is, is that my primary goal is mass.

It's great that you're exploring test first, but are you under the impression that it is the best compound to add mass/bulk?

Rooi Bul 86 wrote: IK it takes about two weeks for Test Prop to get going so by that time you are off it again and have to wait two weeks to PCT not worth it in my opinion and would just complicate things.







Will the test prop still take two weeks to kick in, with him just coming off a longer ester test?
In what way would it complicate things?

About to start my two weeks of prop in two weeks time. After a deca and test e cycle. So eager to know what you mean

Also not sure what RB meant. I think he might just have forgotten that there will already be test in the system, so there's no waiting for the prop to "get going".

CYCLE
Day 1 – 25 (4 weeks): Dianabol @ 40mg ED (split into 10mg at 6am, 11am, 4pm, 9pm)
Day 1 – 77 (11 weeks): Test Cyp @ 250mg E4D
Day 1 – 77 (11 weeks): Letrozole @ 2 drops EOD
Day 29 – 105 (11 weeks): HCG @ 500iu E4D (i.e. start 4 weeks into cycle and use through bridge, end just before PCT)

Cycle looks good.
If gyro prone. You can run the arimidex during cycle. Start with lowest dose and adjust as needed. Run it till pct. (Letro is much stronger for just appearing estrogen sides).

HCG is usually 500iu a week. If you using E4D. You can lower the dose abit.

4 days after your last test c jab. U can start prop at 1ml EOD. If you have 10ml. That should be 20 days of prop. Start pct 14 days after last prop jab.

14 + 24= 38 days. (after your last test c jab) test c will be out of your body.

Pct 2 on this site will be good.

Think about adding whinny/var towards your end of cycle up until 3 days before pct.


Not an expert but I did study this site in depth.

Eidolon wrote:

IronKobra767 wrote: One of my main reasons for wanting to use Test Prop, or whichever the appropriate Test variation is, is that my primary goal is mass.

It's great that you're exploring test first, but are you under the impression that it is the best compound to add mass/bulk?

No not at all. I understand that including compounds such as Deca, Anadrol or Tren will be more effective in adding mass, but for my own purposes, the look I achieve with Test only is sufficient for my goals and so I do not want to put unnecessary stress on my body. (At this stage at least. After I have had a few more Test cycles and really understand how to fine tune dieting in conjunction with Test dosing I will most probably explore the use of the more potent additional compounds.0

Thanks for the input Ben.

Anyone else have any input on how to effectively administer a Test only cycle? Unless a mod disagrees with Ben's input I suppose I will go ahead with that then.

I.e. 4 days after your last test c jab. U can start prop at 1ml EOD. If you have 10ml. That should be 20 days of prop. Start pct 14 days after last prop jab.

I just want to clarify, seeing as the conversation has evolved. I'm looking for input on how to administer a Test only cycle. This would mean I drop the DBol and frontload with Test only, and bridge to PCT with a short ester Test.

This is what I am considering based on my research, please can the experienced users critique. I've outlined the cycle with the logic below:

CYCLE:
WEEK ONE (frontload):
FRONTLOAD on Monday: 500mg Test C (frontlaod) + 250mg Test C (usual day's dose) = 750mg Test C
Thursday: 250mg Test Cyp

WEEK 2 - 11:
Test C @ 500mg p/week (Mon and Thurs)

BRIDGE:
4 days after last Test C pin, start Test Prop at 100mg EOD for 20 days.

PCT:
Start PCT 2 14 days after last Test Prop pin.

HCG to be used throughout at 500iu per week up until PCT starts.
Letrozole on hand as AI during cycle.
PCT 2 = 7 days Clomid + 30 days Nolva.

Logic:
On Day 1, I wouldn’t inject just 500 mg. Doing so wouldn’t bring blood levels where they need to be. With ongoing injections of 250 mg twice per week, it would be just under a month before levels would be properly established. Therefore, on Day 1 I’d inject 750 mg as a frontload (seven days’ worth, plus the usual daily amount) This would fairly promptly get levels where they need to be and where they’ll remain with ongoing 500mg/week dosing.


How does this look? Am I on the right track? Can I frontload with Test C in this way, or is it better to frontload with Prop?

Thanks.

Iron K

Not sure if the lack of response is because my question is idiotic or because my proposed test only cycle is correct here guys?

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Waiting to rather let the Mods help you out.

But on my previous replies having Testosterone already in the body is not going to make the Propionate ester just disappear. But yes your Prop bridge timing kooks correct just remember 15days waiting time after prop to pct

Thanks RB. Also keen on a mods input, specifically in terms of my frontloading and PCT protocol.

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This is how i would run this cycle

Test prop @ 150mg + Test cyp @ 250mg 2 x a week. Do this for 4 weeks.

Then

Continue with only the cyp for the remaining time. 2 weeks before you bridge start, follow the same protocol as i gave above and after 2 weeks drop the cyp and continue only with the prop.

Oupa wrote: This is how i would run this cycle

Test prop @ 150mg + Test cyp @ 250mg 2 x a week. Do this for 4 weeks.

Then

Continue with only the cyp for the remaining time. 2 weeks before you bridge start, follow the same protocol as i gave above and after 2 weeks drop the cyp and continue only with the prop.

Thank you Oupa. So i would put 1.5 ml of prop and 1 ml of cyp in the same syringe and pin this Monday and Thursday for the first 4 weeks? (I thought prop had to be pinned EOD??)

I want to make sure I understand correctly. For me making it visual helps. Please look at this photo of a quick excel schedule based on your suggestion. Did I understand you correctly?



Thanks again Oupa. I appreciate this input.

Iron K


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Props HL is 4.5days, so you dont need to because your main compound will be test cyp and not prop. If it was prop you should pin EOD otherwise you would have to pin a lot of ML's to get your required MG's of testosterone.

Yes, one syringe, same pin.

Oupa wrote: Props HL is 4.5days, so you dont need to because your main compound will be test cyp and not prop. If it was prop you should pin EOD otherwise you would have to pin a lot of ML's to get your required MG's of testosterone.

Yes, one syringe, same pin.

And the schedule I posted as a photo is correct?

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Perfect

interessante manier om dit te doen, like jou input soos altyd @Oupa

Oupa wrote: Perfect

Thanks for this Oupa. I've ordered my gear and am eager to experiment with this test only cycle!

One last question on PCT Oupa. This is going to be a fairly lengthy cycle. I see a lot of people talk about taking aromasin in conjunction with Nolvadex during PCT. Is this recommended for my PCT? I'm planning on running:

HCG for the duration of the cycle and bridge at 500iU a week and Letrozole @ 2 drops EOD until 2 days before PCT starts,
Then
Clomid @ 50mg for 14 days
Then
Nolvadex @ 20mg for 30 days

Is this sufficient?

Iron K

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the letro should be fine i think, i like aromasin more because it stops the actual creation of estrogen. but lets hear what Oupa recommends

Yes its perfect. Only thing i do differently is use the aromasin during the last half of my cycles.

@Oupa , so die test prop act dan as n front laod as ek reg verstaan ne?