IK's 4th Cycle - How to correctly use Test Prop

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dink ek sal dit ook bq probeer, so dit sluit dan die orals uit ne? of kan mens vir 2 weke tbol of iets gebruik?

Demolish wrote: dink ek sal dit ook bq probeer, so dit sluit dan die orals uit ne? of kan mens vir 2 weke tbol of iets gebruik?

That was my reasoning for going this route. Wanted to front load with test only and omit orals. Originally thought I could kick off the first week with a 750mg shot on day one of test cyp but will be following Oupa's protocol instead.

Starting Monday! Very keen to test this method.

Iron K.

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HCG would be from week 3 or 4 right @ 250 IU 2x per week?

I'm starting from week one through to PCT.

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Oupa wrote: This is how i would run this cycle

Test prop @ 150mg + Test cyp @ 250mg 2 x a week. Do this for 4 weeks.

Then

Continue with only the cyp for the remaining time. 2 weeks before you bridge start, follow the same protocol as i gave above and after 2 weeks drop the cyp and continue only with the prop.

@oupa can i frontload test prop for 6 weeks instead of 4? my test prop is dosed at 100mg/ml and I've had to buy 3 vials meaning if I only use it for 4 weeks to frontload and four weeks before bridge I'll have 600mg (6 ml) left.

Or would it be better to run the prop by itself for an extra 2 weeks after the cyp has ended?



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I wouldnt, stay on the schedule, it works like a charm. You can up the cyp to 750mg pw but keep the prop as is

HCG from week 6 on test only cycles.

OK great. Thanks. Will just keep the remaining 6 ml of prop for my next cycle. Assuming the shelf life is long enough. Thanks again Oupa.

Will also onky start HCG at week 6 then.

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Just want to say Ciccone Prop is fucking painfull, PGW no pip.... Has anyone compared the vials' levels to each other? Shocking to say the least...

Glad I ordered PGW then.

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IK how are things going bud? Anything the mods can help with?

Pyroclasm wrote: IK how are things going bud? Anything the mods can help with?

Things are good brother. Gearing up for my new cycle tomorrow! ('Scuse the pun).

Thanks, Oupa gave me some insight into the test only cycle I wanna experiment with and cleared things up so no other questions at this stage.

Training and diet I have in check, just feeling skeptical about the 2.5ml pin I'm gonna be doing. Haha. Never done over 1ml in a shot, so not sure what to expect.

IK

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Where do you pin?

Pyroclasm wrote: Where do you pin?

Ventroglute. Found it to be easiest and from what I've read it's suited well for larger ML pins. Only 2 x week injections so hoping I don't need to rotate in glute or quads cause I struggle with those.

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Can't pin the exact same spot twice a week mate no matter where.. But 2.5ml is nothing at all. On the topic I never pin oil on its own as I find lumps more often than not. I always pin with B12/and B-Complex. It spreads the oil much easier and the injection is much easier.

Pyroclasm wrote: Can't pin the exact same spot twice a week mate no matter where.. But 2.5ml is nothing at all. On the topic I never pin oil on its own as I find lumps more often than not. I always pin with B12/and B-Complex. It spreads the oil much easier and the injection is much easier.

Interesting. Where would I get B12 / complex and how much do I add into the syringe? I'm sure that's got additional health benefits as well so I'm keen to try this.

Not the same spot twice a week. Pin the right ventro on Mondays and left on Thursdays.

Thanks Pyro!

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You are going to need a prescription for B12 or BComplex, its not over the counter anymore. Have tried to get it several times with no success.

Im also thinking of running this same test only cycle.

@IKm, i also pin in the ventro glute, i find it the easiest place to reach. First time pinning there was a bit weird though haha.

I think BSSA used to sell B complex, not sure if they do anymore

Pity about needing a prescription. Pinning with Vitamin B is definitely something that I find intriguing. Will wait to hear if Pyro has input on this. I assume I'm not breaking forum law by talking about sourcing Vitamin B. Lol

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Demolish wrote: @IKm, i also pin in the ventro glute, i find it the easiest place to reach. First time pinning there was a bit weird though haha.

Yeah bro. I've pinned glutes, quads and delts and ventro was by far the easiest. Never had any pain whatsoever. I find it easily by standing and moving my leg out to the side. The muscle pops out. Just hold my finger on it then sit down comfortably and pin. No hassle.

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ive always wondered about quads but dont think i will try it haha

Demolish wrote: ive always wondered about quads but dont think i will try it haha

I only do quads its not that bad. Pain does eventually go away haha havent walked criple yet, most Ive put into quads was 3ml or 5ml with 1ml B12 and 1ml Bcomplex.

IronKobra767 wrote:

Pyroclasm wrote: Can't pin the exact same spot twice a week mate no matter where.. But 2.5ml is nothing at all. On the topic I never pin oil on its own as I find lumps more often than not. I always pin with B12/and B-Complex. It spreads the oil much easier and the injection is much easier.

Interesting. Where would I get B12 / complex and how much do I add into the syringe? I'm sure that's got additional health benefits as well so I'm keen to try this.

Not the same spot twice a week. Pin the right ventro on Mondays and left on Thursdays.

Thanks Pyro!

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I used to get from Ondier now I get from my pharmacy. My experience hey but Dischem and Clicks are 200% full of shit ek sê! :huh: Just go to a small pharmacy and charm the pharmacist, he/she will hook you up. Add 1ml of each.

Pyroclasm wrote:

IronKobra767 wrote:

Pyroclasm wrote: Can't pin the exact same spot twice a week mate no matter where.. But 2.5ml is nothing at all. On the topic I never pin oil on its own as I find lumps more often than not. I always pin with B12/and B-Complex. It spreads the oil much easier and the injection is much easier.

Interesting. Where would I get B12 / complex and how much do I add into the syringe? I'm sure that's got additional health benefits as well so I'm keen to try this.

Not the same spot twice a week. Pin the right ventro on Mondays and left on Thursdays.

Thanks Pyro!

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I used to get from Ondier now I get from my pharmacy. My experience hey but Dischem and Clicks are 200% full of shit ek sê! :huh: Just go to a small pharmacy and charm the pharmacist, he/she will hook you up. Add 1ml of each.

Add 1ml of B12 and 1ml of B complex?! Plus the 1.5ml prop and 1ml cyp. That's a 4.5ml pin..... I hope I've misunderstood you! :confused:

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