IK's 4th Cycle - How to correctly use Test Prop

No you understood me just fine.

IronKobra767 wrote: Add 1ml of B12 and 1ml of B complex?! Plus the 1.5ml prop and 1ml cyp. That's a 4.5ml pin..... I hope I've misunderstood you! :confused:

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The B vits dissipate rapidly, leaving only the oil behind in your muscle. It's almost like pinning test suspension.

Thanks gents. I will do my best to get my hands on B12 and B Complex and give it a go.

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Tried 3 different pharmacies aside from Clicks and Dischem this weekend and they all gave me the same response: need a prescription. Guessing I'll either need to speak to my doc or give the vitamin B a skip.

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hows the cycle going bud?

Demolish wrote: hows the cycle going bud?

Absolutely loving it man. Over a week in now and I'm loving the prop/cyp frontload. I've increased calories as well but definitely see and feel a difference. Won't ever go back to frontloading with orals. Test is King IMO.

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Yeah think this is the way im going to do it now as well.

keep it up and keep us updated

Will do. Will post some stats and progress pics next week. I started at 89kg.

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hey IK

have you ever had a little bit of a bleeder in the ventro glute after pulling the needle?

Nothing worth mentioning bud. Now and again it will bleed a little but it stops shortly after a bit of pressure and I always cover it with a bandaid.

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yeah i had those once in a while ones last night after pulling out the needle, was luckily just blood and no oil

Quick update and question... loving the test cyp and prop combination. Training is strong and diet is on point so I'm seeing results. Test is King! Haha.

A question about the difference between short and long ester test: Can it impact differently on libido and sexual performance as well as overall sense if wellbeing?

I ask because in my previous cycles, after the Kickstart when I'm using test cyp alone, I find that my sex drive is not that high and my hard-ons are not as ... full? (Sorry for being explicit). I actually struggle to maintain an erection at times. These last few weeks on test prop though I'm feeling more horny than I ever have in my life and when I get excited I'm hard as granite! Overall I'm also just feeling good! Can this be a result of the short ester test?

IK

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Glad your cycle is going well.

I noticed test e kicks in around week 4 and drive increases and erections are hard and frequent.
Around week 8 erections become weak ( no change of steroid cycle).
Happened in my first cycle and current cycle. Current cycle ended and switched to prop in week 13 and Erections were immediately rock hard and drive was also up.

Eager to see the responses to this.

Hey IK

glad you feeling good man! out of curiosity what lab test are you using? and you are running letro too right? it might be that your estrogen is a little too low and that can also cause an issue

IronKobra767 wrote: Quick update and question... loving the test cyp and prop combination. Training is strong and diet is on point so I'm seeing results. Test is King! Haha.

A question about the difference between short and long ester test: Can it impact differently on libido and sexual performance as well as overall sense if wellbeing?

I ask because in my previous cycles, after the Kickstart when I'm using test cyp alone, I find that my sex drive is not that high and my hard-ons are not as ... full? (Sorry for being explicit). I actually struggle to maintain an erection at times. These last few weeks on test prop though I'm feeling more horny than I ever have in my life and when I get excited I'm hard as granite! Overall I'm also just feeling good! Can this be a result of the short ester test?

IK

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So a bit late and a bit of a thread revival, however I noticed there was no answer.

I created this thread earlier this year and it touches on sex drives and the different esters:
www.anabolicsteroids.co.za/forum/2-anabo...sex-drive-etc#195154

Basically is seems to differ for everyone. For some prop increases sex drive and cyp will decrease it, for others visa versa etc.

Oupa (or other mods - but Oupa gave original advice) - Can I run 1ml per week of test prop alongside the 1ml of cyp for the remainder of the cycle? Ever since I stopped the prop, I have noticed a decline in sex drive, performance in the gym and overall feeling of wellbeing. I feel like my body responds better when there is (even a low dosage) of short ester Test in the mix.

Then when I get to the 4 week "bridge" of the prop, as you advised, I will up the dose from 1ml prop to 1.5ml prop as per the original protocol.

Theoretically I can't image why I wouldn't be able to do this. Instead of increasing my Cyp dose to 700 mg per week, I would just be using 500mg test Cyp and 200mg Prop. But it's all still Test?

Other than this,cycle is going well. Nothing drastic to update as it is Test only and most members know what to expect.

Iron K

What lab are you using ik

DruOmedra wrote: What lab are you using ik

Was about to ask the same thing... Sounds like a fake/underdosed vial of Test Cyp to me.

Doubt it gents. I only use PGW Test.

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IronKobra767 wrote: Doubt it gents. I only use PGW Test.

I'm a huge fan of PGW but this still screams underdosed/bad batch to me. Test does what test does regardless of the ester and the Test Cyp isn't doing what it is supposed to.

That said, you could add in the prop at 1ml per week split over two injections. 0.5ml prop Mon/Thurs and that should be fine...




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Hormonas wrote:

IronKobra767 wrote: Doubt it gents. I only use PGW Test.

I'm a huge fan of PGW but this still screams underdosed/bad batch to me. Test does what test does regardless of the ester and the Test Cyp isn't doing what it is supposed to.

That said, you could add in the prop at 1ml per week split over two injections. 0.5ml prop Mon/Thurs and that should be fine...




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Thanks for this bud. Why only 0.5ml? I pin 250mg (1ml) Cyp on Wednesdays and Sundays. If I add 100mg (1ml) prop to the cyp every Wednesday and Sunday I'll come out at 700mg test a week. Is that too high a dosage?

I ran 800mg (1ml cyp and 1.5ml prop) per week for 4 weeks to Kickstart and the results were awesome. Didn't experience any sides at 800mg that I was aware of. So feel like 700mg would be safe?

Obviously I'm open to be corrected. Don't want to overdose.

IK

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My mistake! 700mg test per week (2ml cyp and 2ml prop) is perfect.

I thought you only wanted to add in 1ml per week so that's why I said 0.5mlx2...


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Hey IK

I had the same problems with my PGW and switched back to Axio and all is good now. Made me wonder as well..

Interesting. Any other bad experiences with PGW? I've only heard and experienced good things but this is making me wonder. Is it possible I got a rare underdosed batch?

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last cycle i ended with the cyp 250 and had the same effect. i enquired about it but apparently no one else has asked about it. i was also thinking underdosed or something, wasnt really happy about it